Israel violates international law

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Show me otherwise and I will show you a NAZI

We are fully aware that you and other Israelis believe that anyone who thinks Israel has violated any international laws, is a "Nazi. Its very amusing and is very useful when trying to convince folks not to take Israel's side.

There is nothing more beneficial to a political argument than an opponent who utters the absurd.
 
Palestine has not signed so it does not apply. It says so at the beginning of the conventions

You sir are very incorrect.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

The Fourth Geneva Convention | Jewish Virtual Library



Still it does not alter the fact that Palestine is not covered by the Geneva conventions because it is not bound by them. Israel is so has to abide by them when dealing with a party bound by the Geneva conventions.
 
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Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it.

See above where I already showed how you are very incorrect.

All nations who have ratified the 4th GC are bound by it whether or not other parties to a conflict have ratified it.



Not according to the Geneva conventions.............. read the proper ones and not the ones on wiki.
 
Kondor3, et al,

Yes, there is a grave argument to be made.

"...The overwhelming consensus is that the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) does apply. But there are mitigating circumstances that reduce the severity of the violation. These cannot be denied as well..."
Entirely possible that this middle-ground will eventually 'control' in this setting.

Thought-provoking.

Thanks for serving that up, Rocco.
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It runs directly counter to the concept that the Palestinians have a legal right to oppose, by means of force, the occupation. Especially Article 68.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

This is amusing because your compratriot [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] believe that the Mandate for Palestine is still very much alive.

Your side needs to figure out and decide which international agreements are still valid and which have expired. Its impossible to have a discussion when your side disagrees on such an important element of the debate.



Just as you think that the Sam remo is valid for Israel when it was not yet reborn. Or that the Geneva conventions apply to Palestine when they have never signed them.
 
The mandate for Palestine was finished and no longer valid before Israel came into existence.. The Geneva conventions do not apply because they do not cover the west bank. Now what aspect of the UN charter are they in breach of, lets see if we can make it 3 out of 3 that you know diddly squat about.

This is amusing because your compratriot [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] believe that the Mandate for Palestine is still very much alive.

Your side needs to figure out and decide which international agreements are still valid and which have expired. Its impossible to have a discussion when your side disagrees on such an important element of the debate.

Again you confuse the Mandate for Palestine with the San Remo Mandate. Are you a child? Do you not understand they are two different things entirely.
 
Just as you think that the Sam remo is valid for Israel when it was not yet reborn. Or that the Geneva conventions apply to Palestine when they have never signed them.

Your compatriot [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] believes that the San Remo Conference is still valid.

I urge you two and others Israelis to come to some agreement on this matter cause its very hard to debate this issue when your side can't agree on such an important element.
 
Nothing negates the San Remo Mandate to give the land of Palestine to the Jews. The countries that signed at the League of Nations in 1922 have an OBLIGATION to encourage Jewish settlement in the land of Palestine, later of course to be known as the land of Israel.
 
Again you confuse the Mandate for Palestine with the San Remo Mandate. Are you a child? Do you not understand they are two different things entirely.

The San Remo Conference and the Mandate for Palestine both include the following:

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
 
Just as you think that the Sam remo is valid for Israel when it was not yet reborn. Or that the Geneva conventions apply to Palestine when they have never signed them.

Your compatriot [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] believes that the San Remo Conference is still valid.

I urge you two and others Israelis to come to some agreement on this matter cause its very hard to debate this issue when your side can't agree on such an important element.

No law has negated the San Remo Mandate. It is written in Law and cannot be changed. I would urge people to watch this.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_WVm8SacS4]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VV_HMfzVDc]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 2 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJb8qY5KZ8]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 3 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]
 
Nothing negates the San Remo Mandate to give the land of Palestine to the Jews. The countries that signed at the League of Nations in 1922 have an OBLIGATION to encourage Jewish settlement in the land of Palestine, later of course to be known as the land of Israel.

So you agree that Israel is bound by the San Remo Conference, which makes Jewish settlement in Palestine and the creation of a Jewish homeland conditional upon the full respect and protection of non-Jewish civil rights in Palestine?

By the way, there is no San Remo "mandate". It is merely a set of resolutions.

The governing mandate is the Mandate for Palestine.
 
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Just as you think that the Sam remo is valid for Israel when it was not yet reborn. Or that the Geneva conventions apply to Palestine when they have never signed them.

Please take this up with Sweet Caroline as she is the one saying San Remo is still in affect.

[MENTION=35705]Phoenall[/MENTION]
 
Nothing negates the San Remo Mandate to give the land of Palestine to the Jews. The countries that signed at the League of Nations in 1922 have an OBLIGATION to encourage Jewish settlement in the land of Palestine, later of course to be known as the land of Israel.

So you agree that Israel is bound by the San Remo Conference, which makes Jewish settlement in Palestine and the creation of a Jewish homeland conditional upon the full respect and protection of non-Jewish civil rights in Palestine?

By the way, there is no San Remo "mandate". It is merely a set of resolutions.

The governing mandate is the Mandate for Palestine.

Of course it is. Jews' rights are protected. Countries cannot sign a country over to a people and then divide it up again if it has been ratified by the League of Nations and protected by the United Nations.
 
Of course it is. Jews' rights are protected. Countries cannot sign a country over to a people and then divide it up again if it has been ratified by the League of Nations and protected by the United Nations.

So the rights of Jews are protected but the rights of non-Jews are voided?

That's very interesting. I wonder how this view affects public opinion about Israel.
 
Just as you think that the Sam remo is valid for Israel when it was not yet reborn. Or that the Geneva conventions apply to Palestine when they have never signed them.

Your compatriot [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] believes that the San Remo Conference is still valid.

I urge you two and others Israelis to come to some agreement on this matter cause its very hard to debate this issue when your side can't agree on such an important element.

No law has negated the San Remo Mandate. It is written in Law and cannot be changed. I would urge people to watch this.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_WVm8SacS4]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VV_HMfzVDc]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 2 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJb8qY5KZ8]Howard Grief - Israels Legal Borders Under International Law - Part 3 of 3 - YouTube[/ame]

Total bullshit.
 
Its very interesting when Israelis argue that 80 year old laws are still valid when they go ahead and pick and choose which parts of same laws they consider valid and which parts they will ignore.

It is such attitudes that make people around the world dislike Israel.
 
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Its very interesting when Israelis argue that 80 year old laws are still valid when they go ahead and pick and choose which parts of same laws they consider valid and which parts they will ignore.

It is such attitudes that make people around the world dislike Israel.

Done and dusted.:razz:
 
Phoenall, Victory67, et al,

This is not a slam-dunk. There is a general consensus here.

Its funny you say that the Mandate for Palestine is no longer valid because many Israelis argue that the promises made to the Jews in the Mandate are still valid.

Of course the Geneva Conventions covers the West Bank. It has a section just about Occupied Territories and the West Bank are clearly Occupied Territories.

The West Bank was legally Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and now it is legally Occupied by Israel.
That only applies to those nations bound by the Geneva conventions, Palestine is not bound by the Geneva conventions as they have not signed up to them. Try reading the conventions fully and not cherry picking the parts that suit your POV.
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While there is an argument to be made, Israel is on the losing side here.

There is no question that after 15 July 1999, the the State of Israel was put on notice that the Geneva Convention Rules do apply to the Occupation of Palestinian Territory.

CONFERENCE OF HIGH CONTRACTING PARTIES TO THE FOURTH GENEVA CONVENTION STATEMENT Geneva said:
This statement reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference.
After consultations among High Contracting Parties, the Conference, as recommended by UN GA Resolution ES-10/6 in its tenth Emergency Special Session 1, convened in Geneva on 15 July 1999.

The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirmed the applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. Furthermore, they reiterated the need for full respect for the provisions of the said Convention in that Territory.

Taking into consideration the improved atmosphere in the Middle East as a whole, the Conference was adjourned on the understanding that it will convene again in the light of consultations on the development of the humanitarian situation in the field.

Illegal Israeli actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory said:
3. Reiterates in the strongest terms all the demands made of Israel, the occupying Power, in the above-mentioned resolutions of the tenth emergency special session, including the immediate and full cessation of the construction at Jebel Abu Ghneim and of all other Israeli settlement activities, as well as of all illegal measures and actions in Occupied East Jerusalem, the acceptance of the de jure applicability of the Fourth Geneva Convention and compliance with relevant Security Council resolutions, the cessation and reversal of all actions taken illegally against Palestinian Jerusalemites and the provision of information about goods produced or manufactured in the settlements;

SOURCE: A/RES/ES-10/6 9 February 1999

SOURCE: CONFERENCE OF Geneva, 15 July 1999 HIGH CONTRACTING PARTIES

The overwhelming consensus is that the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) does apply. But there are mitigating circumstances that reduce the severity of the violation. These cannot be denied as well.

While I often hear the inappropriate use of the GCIV, as it is use in this context, relative to the Settlements in the West Bank, there is a very good legal case to be made, even though the original intent was not the same as the situation in the West Bank. But if the GCIV is in general application, then the Palestinians have as much to worry about its application as the Israelis. It is not a one-way document (Articles 61-69 will apply and strips away the protections to insurgents, terrorist, Jihadist, and Fedayeen).

Most Respectfully,
R



I stand corrected and will cease making these assumptions.
 
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