Zone1 Is there a reason besides desiring voter fraud/cheating to NOT have Voter ID?

[Donald H]

Canada didn't have slavery.

Guy, Trump isn't going to change anything. His second administration will be a bigger fail than his first.

Then your masters in the Kremlin will have to find a new useful idiot.

For you Joe. Fyodor Lukyanov: Trump is back, and this time it’s different

Some goof points don't you think?

 

[JoeB131]

You cannot have a bank account without ID.
You cannot purchase ANY restricted or controlled substance without identification (Sudafed, tobacco, alcohol or prescription medicine)
Debit cards also require ID.
Accessing public education requires identification.
Medical treatment of any kind needs identifying information
ALL legal employment requires two forms of identification.
Check cashing services also require identification.
Bus passes require identification.

I've never had anyone ask me for an ID when using my debit card.

None of these things are rights. Voting is.

 

[JoeB131]

For you Joe. Fyodor Lukyanov: Trump is back, and this time it’s different

Some goof points don't you think?

The Russian Times will be the only ones who will be happy.

Most Americans should be horrified that our enemy is cheering Trump's win.

 

[JoeB131]

If someone wants to vote in 2028, they have approximately 207 weeks to do so. I’m sure they can get on the books. if someone wants to get an ID to vote, they have every opportunity. Maybe they just don’t want to.. and maybe they don’t want to vote (my dad doesn’t). It doesn’t mean he was wronged, and it doesn’t mean a person who didn’t go out of their way to get a license or validate their ID was wronged. You write a fictional narrative.

Maybe they don't have 35 bucks to throw around every time they have to move.
Maybe they don't carry their ID around with them.

I could think of a dozen maybes why you might not have an ID on voting day.

But here's the thing. If you are on the voter rolls, this shouldn't be a problem. You tell them who you are and where you live. This is what we do in IL and it works just fine.

No, I just don’t think poor people and/or people of color are too stupid or lazy to do a simple think like get a drivers license. You do. You ought to re-examine how you view them.. they aren’t as inferior as you think.

Nobody made that argument... but you keep beating up that straw man.

You know damned well Voter ID is a scheme to disenfranchise poor people.

It was abolished in 1865. Today is 2024. That’s 159 years ago.

And it continued in the form of Debt Peonage until 1942. Try educating yourself.

 

[Donald H]

The Russian Times will be the only ones who will be happy.

Most Americans should be horrified that our enemy is cheering Trump's win.

They should be horrified but they're not. Trump, with all his psychopathy and his flaws, understands that America is now throwing the good taxpayers' money at a cause that can never succeed.

Trump ironically, is the first president to address the situation on the ground in which America can't dictate more wars of aggression to the world.

Bear up and face the situation the Zionist regime has found itself in now. It doesn't hurt to at least be aware. Assuming that you haven't already?

 

[Donald H]

I've never had anyone ask me for an ID when using my debit card.

None of these things are rights. Voting is.

Time to move on from the strictly politics talking points, to the issues that will become America's big issues to address under the Trump regime.

Tell the silly kids on this board. So far they haven't any idea.
Most are still convinced that Trump will interrupt the flow of the immigrant work force from C.America countries.

 

[JoeB131]

They should be horrified but they're not. Trump, with all his psychopathy and his flaws, understands that America is now throwing the good taxpayers' money at a cause that can never succeed.

Trump ironically, is the first president to address the situation on the ground in which America can't dictate more wars of aggression to the world.

Bear up and face the situation the Zionist regime has found itself in now. It doesn't hurt to at least be aware. Assuming that you haven't already?

Guy, Trump is totally in the tank for the Zionists. This is why I'm sure you aren't an American or Canadian, because you don't seem to understand this.

Trump is going to be far better for Bibi than Biden was.

Now, here's the problem Trump is going to have when he tries to sell out Ukraine.

It would just re-inforce the image that he's Putin's Cockholster.

There's the old saying, "only Nixon could go to China." Nixon had built up a such a reputation as an anti-Communist that no one saw him toasting Mao as anything but a position of strength.

Well... Trump can't go to Kyiv without looking like Neville Chamberlain at Munich. Not unless any deal he comes up with if acceptable to Ukraine.

My own opinion, the best deal would be to cede Donbas and Crimea to Russia while allowing Ukraine to join NATO and the EU. But I doubt Trump could propose it, or the Ukrainians would accept it.

 

[JoeB131]

Time to move on from the strictly politics talking points, to the issues that will become America's big issues to address under the Trump regime.

Tell the silly kids on this board. So far they haven't any idea.
Most are still convinced that Trump will interrupt the flow of the immigrant work force from C.America countries.

Oh, I have no doubt in my mind that he won't. In fact, if anything, I suspect Mexico will start aiding and abetting the crossers.

 

[Donald H]

Guy, Trump is totally in the tank for the Zionists. This is why I'm sure you aren't an American or Canadian, because you don't seem to understand this. Trump is in the tank for what's good for Trump.

Trump is going to be far better for Bibi than Biden was.

You're still refusing to accept the reality in the ME in which the Zionist regime no longer has the power it needs to do as it pleases. You can't accept that Iran has gained the upper hand. The point you're missing is thaat if America dares then Iran will respond with everything they've got.

So the Zionist regime won't do Iran because of that and the fact that Russia, China, and the Brics have established a red line.

Now, here's the problem Trump is going to have when he tries to sell out Ukraine.

It would just re-inforce the image that he's Putin's Cockholster.

That would be more specifically that Trump has Congress to convince. I don't see that as being not possible. I'm convinced that Trump's biggest obstacle is the US military, that still hasn't come around to accepting less than enough harm to Russia to make it cooperate. Do you have any feelings on that possibility? Surely Shirley, you don't still think it's about saving the Ukrainians??

There's the old saying, "only Nixon could go to China." Nixon had built up a such a reputation as an anti-Communist that no one saw him toasting Mao as anything but a position of strength.

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Well... Trump can't go to Kyiv without looking like Neville Chamberlain at Munich. Not unless any deal he comes up with if acceptable to Ukraine.

You're still thinking that somebody believes that it's about saving Ukrainians, and that makes you unconvincable.

My own opinion, the best deal would be to cede Donbas and Crimea to Russia while allowing Ukraine to join NATO and the EU. But I doubt Trump could propose it, or the Ukrainians would accept it.

That doesn't 'sound' good enough, but it can be manipulated as much as necessary to make it sound like Trump has given America a win. That is, as long as the military is kept off of Trump's back.

Russia doesn't necessarily need a territorial gain. It needs the Crimea and security from US attempts to encroach on it's borders.
When you're ready, we can talk about the possibilities, of which you must be aware.

 

[Donald H]

Oh, I have no doubt in my mind that he won't. In fact, if anything, I suspect Mexico will start aiding and abetting the crossers.

So you're with me so far.

Mexico joke aside.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Maybe they don't have 35 bucks to throw around every time they have to move.

I think any conservative would be fine with subsidized license or voter ID for people poor enough. There likely already is, it just requires the person taking the steps

Maybe they don't carry their ID around with them.

And I don’t bring my homework to school.. do I still get credit?

How about a little accountability and basic personal responsibility?

But here's the thing. If you are on the voter rolls, this shouldn't be a problem. You tell them who you are and where you live.

How do you know the person is who they say they are?

Nobody made that argument... but you keep beating up that straw man.

You said they as a group aren’t able to do an easy process… you aren’t calling them dumb literally, but you’re insinuating they can’t figure it out, or know how to ask for help. It’s such an easy process you’d have to be dumb to not do it, or even if it’s genuinely confusing you have tons of resources to guide you.

So, yeah, you’re saying they aren’t very bright… or just lazy.

You know damned well Voter ID is a scheme to disenfranchise poor people.

No, I don’t. I know damned well that you need ID for most things as an adult, and elections are very important. I know that not requiring an ID increased the likelihood of voter fraud by mere logic. You walk in, say you’re “bob from 322 Pine street” when you’re not. What a dumb system.

And it continued in the form of Debt Peonage until 1942. Try educating yourself.

LMAO

Prove slaves were working plantations in 1941.

This is unbelievable. You don’t know that slavery stopped in the 1860’s. You think blacks were in chain gangs in the 1940’s. You’re so uninformed.

 

[JohnDB]

I've never had anyone ask me for an ID when using my debit card.

None of these things are rights. Voting is.

In order to get the debit card you showed ID.
They know exactly who you are through banking records.

 

[JoeB131]

You're still refusing to accept the reality in the ME in which the Zionist regime no longer has the power it needs to do as it pleases. You can't accept that Iran has gained the upper hand. The point you're missing is thaat if America dares then Iran will respond with everything they've got.

So the Zionist regime won't do Iran because of that and the fact that Russia, China, and the Brics have established a red line.

Guy, I think few posters are as legitimately critical of Israel than I am. But you are clearly delusional.

Israel has co-opted the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia is currently well disposed towards them. They have treaties with Egypt and Jordan.

Iran has most certainly not gained an upper hand. And if they were responsible for that hit team they sent to get Trump, they are going to be in for a world of hurtin'. I hate Trump but if they tried to pull that shit, I'd be for bombing them back to the stone age.

That would be more specifically that Trump has Congress to convince. I don't see that as being not possible. I'm convinced that Trump's biggest obstacle is the US military, that still hasn't come around to accepting less than enough harm to Russia to make it cooperate. Do you have any feelings on that possibility? Surely Shirley, you don't still think it's about saving the Ukrainians??

Yes, it's about saving the Ukraine. I know that you don't get your borscht ration if you say otherwise. Russia started this shit. They don't deserve to be rewarded for it.

That doesn't 'sound' good enough, but it can be manipulated as much as necessary to make it sound like Trump has given America a win. That is, as long as the military is kept off of Trump's back.

I don't see anything short of restoring the 2014 borders as being seen as anything less than appeasement. I also suspect when Trump wrecks the economy, Ukraine will be the least of his problems.

Russia doesn't necessarily need a territorial gain. It needs the Crimea and security from US attempts to encroach on it's borders.
When you're ready, we can talk about the possibilities, of which you must be aware.

Putin wants to restore the USSR. They certainly don't "Need" the Crimea. They didn't need it when they ceded it to Ukraine in the 1950s, and they were fine with losing it after the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Now they are keen to get it back?

So you're with me so far.

Mexico joke aside.

Who's joking? I'm being deadly serious.

We've been playing the Mexicans for suckers, and they are probably getting a little tired of it.

 

[marvin martian]

Yes, protecting the right to vote.

We have a long history of voter suppression with schemes such as Poll Taxes and Literacy Tests.

The people least likely to have up to date ID are more likely to be poor or marginalized communities.

That's racist bullshit.

 

[JoeB131]

I think any conservative would be fine with subsidized license or voter ID for people poor enough. There likely already is, it just requires the person taking the steps

Wow, that's mighty white of you.

And I don’t bring my homework to school.. do I still get credit?

How about a little accountability and basic personal responsibility?

How about a fair system? Seems that you guys are pretty keen on stopping people of color from voting.

How do you know the person is who they say they are?

They know your name and your address, and they can match your signature against what's on file.

You said they as a group aren’t able to do an easy process… you aren’t calling them dumb literally, but you’re insinuating they can’t figure it out, or know how to ask for help. It’s such an easy process you’d have to be dumb to not do it, or even if it’s genuinely confusing you have tons of resources to guide you.

So, yeah, you’re saying they aren’t very bright… or just lazy.

No, I said nothing of the sort, and you know it. I've stated that getting current ID's is difficult for people without fixed addresses, but you don't want those people voting, that's clear enough.

No, I don’t. I know damned well that you need ID for most things as an adult, and elections are very important. I know that not requiring an ID increased the likelihood of voter fraud by mere logic. You walk in, say you’re “bob from 322 Pine street” when you’re not. What a dumb system.

Except you guys have been claiming that since Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, and you haven't been able to prove that it is going on in any significant way.

LMAO

Prove slaves were working plantations in 1941.

Guy, look up Debt Peonage, it was slavery in all but name.

Here's a very interesting video on the subject.

 

[Donald H]

Guy, I think few posters are as legitimately critical of Israel than I am. But you are clearly delusional.

We can always hope together.

Israel has co-opted the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia is currently well disposed towards them. They have treaties with Egypt and Jordan.

The Gulf states don't want war. The Zionist regime's biggest problem by far is America not entertaining a war against Iran because of what Iran can do to them.

Your previous armchair war with the tough guy talking points on behalf of the Z regime, are no longer applicable. You don't oppose the Z regime, you're an American so stop pretending.

Iran has most certainly not gained an upper hand.

Let's just agree to call it Iran's ability to bring an end to the Z regime. You can learn a lot by tuning in to Ritter, and company on utube.

And if they were responsible for that hit team they sent to get Trump, they are going to be in for a world of hurtin'.

That's the plan the Dems have suggested, for the purpose of conning Trump into acting. I don't think it can work. Mostly because Trump will be advised that he would get blowback against the Z regime that won't be acceptable to their continued existence.

I hate Trump but if they tried to pull that shit, I'd be for bombing them back to the stone age.

America is done bombing any of the Brics countries back to the stone age.

Yes, it's about saving the Ukraine. I know that you don't get your borscht ration if you say otherwise. Russia started this shit. They don't deserve to be rewarded for it.

Nope. Russia isn't intent on any territorial rewards. They are intent on security.

I don't see anything short of restoring the 2014 borders as being seen as anything less than appeasement. I also suspect when Trump wrecks the economy, Ukraine will be the least of his problems.

Possibilities of your coming understanding.

Putin wants to restore the USSR. They certainly don't "Need" the Crimea. They didn't need it when they ceded it to Ukraine in the 1950s, and they were fine with losing it after the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Now they are keen to get it back?

I can at least tell you that Putin will only take territory that is necessary to guarantee Russia's secure borders. If you think about it, it's really no different from most of America wars of aggression. (even think Vietnam)

Who's joking? I'm being deadly serious.

We've been playing the Mexicans for suckers, and they are probably getting a little tired of it.

I'm going to cut it off short of the border bullshit issues with you. Trump is returning to rational American style Capitalism after his win.

 

[Donald H]

Wow, that's mighty white of you.



How about a fair system? Seems that you guys are pretty keen on stopping people of color from voting.



They know your name and your address, and they can match your signature against what's on file.



No, I said nothing of the sort, and you know it. I've stated that getting current ID's is difficult for people without fixed addresses, but you don't want those people voting, that's clear enough.



Except you guys have been claiming that since Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, and you haven't been able to prove that it is going on in any significant way.


Guy, look up Debt Peonage, it was slavery in all but name.

Here's a very interesting video on the subject.

Just tell Friscus that the border issue is total bullshit, that was used to energize America's racism. The election is over you two.

 

[ding]

Nope. Russia isn't intent on any territorial rewards. They are intent on security.

From whom? Russia doesn't have anything anyone wants.

 

[ding]

You're still refusing to accept the reality in the ME in which the Zionist regime no longer has the power it needs to do as it pleases. You can't accept that Iran has gained the upper hand. The point you're missing is thaat if America dares then Iran will respond with everything they've got.

If Iran's military capabilities are anything like Russia's, Israel and the US don't have anything to worry about. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine.

 

[Donald H]

If Iran's military capabilities are anything like Russia's, Israel and the US don't have anything to worry about. Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine.

Maybe we'll find out?
I don't do armchair wars my friend, but I'll still consider your proposals if you lead. Wasn't there something about a bullring?