Zone1 Is there a reason besides desiring voter fraud/cheating to NOT have Voter ID?

[Mr. Friscus]

I've posted several links that say otherwise.

How Barriers to ID Impact Different Communities and Restrict Democracy

IDs are common and vital parts of everyday life and civic engagement, yet it's far too difficult for people to get and maintain accurate IDs.

www.voteriders.org

IDs are regularly required in day-to-day life — from driving, to opening a bank account, getting a job, and, increasingly, voting. Yet, roughly one in eight adults in the United States (an estimated 30 million people) lack a driver’s license. What’s more, an estimated 15-18 million adults in the United States—more than the total population of Pennsylvania—do not have access to documents proving their birth or citizenship, which are often necessary to obtain an ID. These staggering numbers can be explained by system-level failures, which have created obstacles to getting and maintaining accurate IDs for many people.

Identity documents typically build upon each other. If a person lacks their birth certificate, for instance, it is harder to get a driver’s license. If they lack a driver’s license, it is harder to prove their identity to get an official copy of their birth certificate. These circular challenges and other barriers—including burdensome documentation requirements, prohibitive financial costs, limited availability of ID services, a confusing patchwork of policies, and discrimination—make it all the more difficult to acquire an ID.


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The problem is, you’re quoting woke ivory tower sociologists who I don’t respect, as they seek to victimize people as much as possible and blame everything on “the system”

Even the language is so revealing.“burdensome documentation requirement”? Oh no, someone who wants to vote has to be “burdened” to provide a document or 2? It would be comedy if it wasn’t woke ideology. People are quite capable, and you and your sources continue to gush with soft bigotry of low expectations onto other populaces. You ought to be ashamed.

The poor don’t need emotional, sensitive white woke SJW’s to come save them. If this election taught you anything, it’s that you and your type should STFU… because many people think your ideology is crazy

 

[JoeB131]

The problem is, you’re quoting woke ivory tower sociologists who I don’t respect, as they seek to victimize people as much as possible and blame everything on “the system”

yes, fact, science, data... all things the right wing abhors.

Even the language is so revealing.“burdensome documentation requirement”? Oh no, someone who wants to vote has to be “burdened” to provide a document or 2? It would be comedy if it wasn’t woke ideology. People are quite capable, and you and your sources continue to gush with soft bigotry of low expectations onto other populaces. You ought to be ashamed.

I think this is another "Check your privilege" moment. You and I don't have problems with documentation because we have the resources and time to chase these things down, and we usually don't have to change addresses on a frequent basis. Poor people simply don't have that luxury.

The poor don’t need emotional, sensitive white woke SJW’s to come save them. If this election taught you anything, it’s that you and your type should STFU… because many people think your ideology is crazy

Guy, you only got 49.9% of the vote, even after your best efforts at voter suppression.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

yes, fact, science, data... all things the right wing abhors.

An opinion based on specific points isn’t “fact”. There are plenty of valid opposing opinions that also uses facts and “science” to support it.

I think this is another "Check your privilege" moment.

LMAO. Sorry, your woke slogans are just funny.

You and I don't have problems with documentation because we have the resources and time to chase these things down, and we usually don't have to change addresses on a frequent basis. Poor people simply don't have that luxury.

Don’t pair us. You think the poor are dumb and lazy. I don’t. I’m nothing like you.

Guy, you only got 49.9% of the vote, even after your best efforts at voter suppression.

Again, you keep repeating claims.. but no voter was turned away or told they weren’t allowed vote that I know of. Can you provide an example?

 

[JoeB131]

Again, you keep repeating claims.. but no voter was turned away or told they weren’t allowed vote that I know of. Can you provide an example?

Sure, 7 million less people voted this time. Voter suppression works!

An opinion based on specific points isn’t “fact”. There are plenty of valid opposing opinions that also uses facts and “science” to support it.

41% of Americans (conservatives mostly) think humans and dinosaurs co-existed. The war on science is more effective than the war on Christmas.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Sure, 7 million less people voted this time. Voter suppression works!

Or, less people were drawn to vote. Not everyone votes in every election, I hate to be the one to inform you of a simple fact, and historical known trend.

But, the religion of “woke” demands that you assume a systemic problem when results don’t occur how you’d prefer. It’s just a temper tantrum. No injustice happened. Nobody outside of your radical woke bubble buys your grasping at straws.

41% of Americans (conservatives mostly) think humans and dinosaurs co-existed. The war on science is more effective than the war on Christmas.

Source?

 

[JoeB131]

Or, less people were drawn to vote. Not everyone votes in every election, I hate to be the one to inform you of a simple fact, and historical known trend.

More people should have voted in this election than the last one, as the electorate grew. But funny thing, they didn't, partially because of all the voter suppression that went on- striking people from voting rolls, ID requirements,

Voting Laws Roundup: September 2024

This fall, voters in more than half of the states will face obstacles to voting that they have never encountered in a presidential election before.

www.brennancenter.org

At least 30 states enacted 78 restrictive laws, at least 63 of which are set to be in effect in 29 states this fall.footnote4_c3PKeCdioO7A3ghga6PKBDSOt-3S8cqw99C5yG00Rk_mAmGu18fNPau4

Those 78 restrictive voting laws account for over two-thirds of all restrictive laws enacted since the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013. In the 11 years since the Shelby County v. Holder decision removed a key check against voting restrictions, at least 31 states have enacted 114 restrictive voting laws.

But, the religion of “woke” demands that you assume a systemic problem when results don’t occur how you’d prefer. It’s just a temper tantrum. No injustice happened. Nobody outside of your radical woke bubble buys your grasping at straws.

I'm currently on another board having discussions with idiots about the direction Doctor Who has taken in the past few seasons.... So, um, no, I'm not "woke". But I can see what is obvious, that you guys aren't worried about "illegal" voting as much as you are about poor people of color voting.

Otherwise, you'd have actually gathered evidence.

Source?

Flintstone facts? 41 percent of Americans say people and dinosaurs co-existed

Riding a Brontosaurus bareback might not be a fantasy. It could be history, depending on who you ask.

www.cnet.com

A recent survey by YouGov -- a for-profit research firm that conducts all sorts of online polls -- found that 41 percent of those queried think dinosaurs and humans "probably" or "definitely" once co-existed on Earth at the same time.

The online poll (PDF) of 1,000 adults was conducted between June 15 and 17 and has a 4.4 percent plus-or-minus margin of error. Here's the full breakdown of the results on the question of whether or not dudes and dinosaurs ever had a historical chance to bro down, Chris Pratt-style.

Worse, 16% "weren't sure"

This is kind of horrifying.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

More people should have voted in this election than the last one, as the electorate grew.

But, they didn’t. It doesn’t matter what you predict should have happened, it’s what happens that matters. Elections vary in turnout. You’re creating a boogeyman that doesn’t exist.

But funny thing, they didn't, partially because of all the voter suppression that went on- striking people from voting rolls, ID requirements,

Voting Laws Roundup: September 2024

This fall, voters in more than half of the states will face obstacles to voting that they have never encountered in a presidential election before.

www.brennancenter.org

At least 30 states enacted 78 restrictive laws, at least 63 of which are set to be in effect in 29 states this fall.footnote4_c3PKeCdioO7A3ghga6PKBDSOt-3S8cqw99C5yG00Rk_mAmGu18fNPau4

Those 78 restrictive voting laws account for over two-thirds of all restrictive laws enacted since the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013. In the 11 years since the Shelby County v. Holder decision removed a key check against voting restrictions, at least 31 states have enacted 114 restrictive voting laws.

Who says the laws are “restrictive”? Just because a woke source uses a descriptive word doesn’t make it factually true.

You just said a few posts back it’s wrong for people to be burdened by providing documentation… so the secret is out that your adjectives are hyperbolic.

People of all classes can get ID. States that require it subsidize it. It’s easy to get, the process is straightforward.

You just continue to think that poor people and minorities are too stupid and lazy to do it. end of story

 

[JoeB131]

But, they didn’t. It doesn’t matter what you predict should have happened, it’s what happens that matters. Elections vary in turnout. You’re creating a boogeyman that doesn’t exist.

No, guy, that would be your side claiming - without evidence - that millions of fake ballots were cast.

You just said a few posts back it’s wrong for people to be burdened by providing documentation… so the secret is out that your adjectives are hyperbolic.

Not everyone can provide documentation, that's the point, and it's not as easy to get as you think it is.

I didn't have a driver's license until I was about 24. (I did have a student ID and a military ID for the reserves.) yet I was able to vote in the 1980 and 1984 elections. (I think I also voted in the 1982 by-elections, but my memory is fuzzy. I know I voted in the 1983 Chicago Mayoral election. No one asked me for an ID once, it just wasn't a problem.

No one has asked me for an ID since. I do sometimes offer it to make the process go a little faster.