Is Talent and ability to accomplish major goals in life something that Trump (and his supporters) against?

[Luckyone]

Life not so much of a gamble when a person uses common sense.
I can why you think it's such a gamble though from reading your posts.

You really have no clue as to who I am and how I have reached this way of thinking at 80 years old.

Let me say that I have lived a FULL life, meaning a huge amount of things happened in my life that are some good or great and some bad and disastrous. In addition, being a stock analyst for 49 years, I have seen countless of times that expected (common sense) things in the market and in the factors affecting the market, failed to happen.

Life is a gamble (heck, you could be in great shape right now and tonight be dead, for hundreds of different reasons).

One thing that life has taught me is that evaluating the possibilities and trying to prevent the bad ones from occurring is key to everything. One needs to understand that humans can make things happen just by thinking and keying them to happen. For example, if you think you will get sick, you probably will and if you think you will remain healthy, that is also what is likely to happen. The mind is a powerful tool.

This also means that when the majority thinks something will happen (especially among the knowledgeable people), it happens much more often than not.

I, as an evaluator of information and the potential benefits and consequences of actions (what I was taught to do by the best, regarding the stock market), sees the all the factors in play, I evaluate the probabilities, and the probabilities favor Trump hurting this country. This thinking of mine is also supported by a larger number of successful people and opposed by very few (at least talking about knowledgeable and accomplished people). Will this actually occur? that is not known or clear right now.............but the actions taken by Trump do not favor him succeeding.

I will almost always go with the probabilities than with the longshots.

 

[Papageorgio]

I understand that fully but that is pure hypocrisy as these people have basically accomplished the goals (personal success through hard work, dedication, and talent) and yet they debase those people simply because they have a different opinion.

The reality in life is that you can still respect (and show respect) for people even though they disagree with your thinking.

As you know, I hate what Trump is and how he does things, but my accountant for 40 years was a Trump supporter, and I listened to his views and respected him for having them and to the day he died, he was my friend and someone who had my total respect.

This OP is all about those that don't follow those human morality guidelines, and by the responses seen here, there are a lot of them on this message board.

I will also take this opportunity to make clear that I don't personally follow what anyone says or believes (as many have accused me here of doing that). I am my own man and make all my decisions based on my own research and studies and not how anyone else thinks.

Having said that and been a stock market analyst for 49 years, one always has to give some value and importance to the opinions of those people that have accomplished their goals in life successfully, ESPECIALLY when the number is very high (compared to the other side). If the number of famous artists, singers, military people and ex-presidents tilt strongly to one side and the opposite side is scant, it is totally normal to ask and wonder "why is the number so disproportionately favoring one view"?

I agree that people deserve respect even when we disagree politically. But I don’t think being a celebrity automatically makes someone’s political view more valid than anyone else’s. For example, I admire Bruce Springsteen’s music and Tom Hanks’ acting, but I don’t look to either of them to shape my political choices. In the same way, Trump has been successful in his own right — billionaire businessman, TV personality, and twice elected president — and those accomplishments are real whether someone likes him or not.

It’s fair to notice that many accomplished people lean one way politically, but that’s a different question than whether people should be respected for their work. Mixing the two together twists the message. I can appreciate talent and success on both sides while still keeping my political decisions my own.

 

[Leo123]

This is an opinion piece (mine). It is both an opinion but a question as well.

"Is talent and ability to accomplish goals in life something Trump (and his supporters) against?

This morning when I heard the news that Robert Redford died yesterday, this thought (the OP question) came into my mind. Robert Redford was vocally against Trump and his goals, but so are a huge amount of people that have shown high talent, have accomplished major goals in life, and are generally not only respected but lauded by most Americans.

Here is a partial list of them:

• SINGERS
• The Rolling Stones
• Neil Young
• Adele
• Rihanna
• The White Stripes
• Isaac Hayes
• Elton John
• Panic
• Prince .
• Foo Fighters
• Queen
• John Fogerty
• Beyoncé
• Taylor Swift .
• Bruce Springsteen
• Lady Gaga
• Katy Perry
• Adele
• Aerosmith
• Celine Dion
• Guns N' Roses
• Jack White
• John Legend
• Linkin Park
• Madonna
• Pharrell Williams
• R.E.M.
• Village People
• ACTORS
• Robert De Niro
• Mark Buffalo
• George Clooney
• Eva Longoria
• America Ferrera
• Kerry Washingtom
• Julia Roberts
• Rosie O'Donnell
• Bette Midler
• John Cusack
• MILITARY LEADERS
• John Bolton
• Dan Coats
• Mark Esper
• John Kelly
• Jim Mattis
• H.R. McMaster
• FORMER PRESIDENTS
• Barack Obama
• George W. Bush
• Bill Clinton
• Jimmy Carter

On the other side of the coin, the amount of talented and well-known singers/actors/military leaders/ex-presidents that have supported and lauded Trump, is a very small amount (less than 10).

On top of all of this, one thing that has also surprised me to the nth degree, is that those Americans that have achieved great success in life and are generally lauded and respected by Americans, have been debased and pissed-on by Trump supporters (across the board). To me, that means that having worked hard and having had the ability to reach one's goals in life has no importance to Trump supporters. That earning the respect and good treatment by Trump supporters, we all have to support Trump.............or otherwise we are garbage.

Is this (supporting one person and nothing else being important) what the American Dream has become (according to the Far Right)?

No, we are not against talent and accomplishments, that's why we loved Charlie Kirk.

 

[Luckyone]

I agree that people deserve respect even when we disagree politically. But I don’t think being a celebrity automatically makes someone’s political view more valid than anyone else’s. For example, I admire Bruce Springsteen’s music and Tom Hanks’ acting, but I don’t look to either of them to shape my political choices. In the same way, Trump has been successful in his own right — billionaire businessman, TV personality, and twice elected president — and those accomplishments are real whether someone likes him or not.

It’s fair to notice that many accomplished people lean one way politically, but that’s a different question than whether people should be respected for their work. Mixing the two together twists the message. I can appreciate talent and success on both sides while still keeping my political decisions my own.

I never said that!

The fact remains that Trump supporters do not only disagree with their opinions but debase them for voicing them. They state that these people are GARBAGE and that is not only not true but it is debasing a person simply by having a different view.

For a perfect example: Here on this board I have generally been respectful of others (unless they first debase me and even then, I usually do not (at least not at first), debase them back, and yet I have put over 55 people on ignore because, from the very start and because my opinion of Trump is a negative one and I voice it, they treat me like garbage! Like I am a piece of shit. I am definitely not that, and what I have accomplished in life (not only economically but with the opinion of those who know me) proves that to be true.

This is what this OP is about. How many real POS people support Trump. And I say that not because of their support for him but for how they personally show the same bad actions/traits that Trump has been guilty of himself (hate, debasement, injustice, etc.)

This is not only totally wrong, but it supports my OP 100%.

 

[Correll]

I never said that!

The fact remains that Trump supporters do not only disagree with their opinions but debase them for voicing them. They state that these people are GARBAGE and that is not only not true but it is debasing a person simply by having a different view.

For a perfect example: Here on this board I have generally been respectful of others (unless they first debase me and even then, I usually do not (at least not at first), debase them back, and yet I have over 55 people on ignore because from the very start and because my opinion of Trump is a negative one and I voice it, they treat me like garbage!

This is not only totally wrong but it supports my OP 100%.

You are lying. THe left, including the celebrities, have been "debasing" maga from the verry beginning.

They were never about just "disagreeing", but about using their celebrity status to smear and defame vast segments of the population.

 

[Papageorgio]

I never said that!

The fact remains that Trump supporters do not only disagree with their opinions but debase them for voicing them. They state that these people are GARBAGE and that is not only not true but it is debasing a person simply by having a different view.

For a perfect example: Here on this board I have generally been respectful of others (unless they first debase me and even then, I usually do not (at least not at first), debase them back, and yet I have put over 55 people on ignore because, from the very start and because my opinion of Trump is a negative one and I voice it, they treat me like garbage! Like I am a piece of shit. I am definitely not that, and what I have accomplished in life (not only economically but with the opinion of those who know me) proves that to be true.

This is what this OP is about. How many real POS people support Trump. And I say that not because of their support for him but for how they personally show the same bad actions/traits that Trump has been guilty of himself (hate, debasement, injustice, etc.)

This is not only totally wrong, but it supports my OP 100%.

I think we’re going in circles now, and that’s okay. You see it your way, I see it mine. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Which famous actor or other glitteratus does that guy look like, so MuckyJuan can add him to his list?

 

[Mac-7]

Your post suggests that you don't believe that morals, ethics, principles, humanity and respect are no longer important now ("make believe world").

As such and since they continue to be important to me, we have nothing more to talk about.

Hollywood is the opposite of what you allege

Its a morals cesspool

 

[Meister]

I never said that!

The fact remains that Trump supporters do not only disagree with their opinions but debase them for voicing them. They state that these people are GARBAGE and that is not only not true but it is debasing a person simply by having a different view.

For a perfect example: Here on this board I have generally been respectful of others (unless they first debase me and even then, I usually do not (at least not at first), debase them back, and yet I have put over 55 people on ignore because, from the very start and because my opinion of Trump is a negative one and I voice it, they treat me like garbage! Like I am a piece of shit. I am definitely not that, and what I have accomplished in life (not only economically but with the opinion of those who know me) proves that to be true.

This is what this OP is about. How many real POS people support Trump. And I say that not because of their support for him but for how they personally show the same bad actions/traits that Trump has been guilty of himself (hate, debasement, injustice, etc.)

This is not only totally wrong, but it supports my OP 100%.

You never said that, but it sure was implied.

 

[Correll]

You never said that, but it sure was implied.

By him and the stars that run their mouths.

 

[Luckyone]

You never said that, but it sure was implied.

That is THEIR problem! I do not respect the opinions of blind-by-choice people

 

[Luckyone]

Hollywood is the opposite of what you allege

Its a morals cesspool

So?

 

[Mac-7]

So?

Dont hold hollywood as anything other than the moral train wreck that it is

 

[BluesLegend]

The party of AOC should avoid starting threads about talent.

 

[Luckyone]

I think we’re going in circles now, and that’s okay. You see it your way, I see it mine. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

You disagree that most Trump supporters debase people simply because they disagree with their opinion?

 

[Hollie]

This is an opinion piece (mine). It is both an opinion but a question as well.

"Is talent and ability to accomplish goals in life something Trump (and his supporters) against?

This morning when I heard the news that Robert Redford died yesterday, this thought (the OP question) came into my mind. Robert Redford was vocally against Trump and his goals, but so are a huge amount of people that have shown high talent, have accomplished major goals in life, and are generally not only respected but lauded by most Americans.

Here is a partial list of them:

• SINGERS
• The Rolling Stones
• Neil Young
• Adele
• Rihanna
• The White Stripes
• Isaac Hayes
• Elton John
• Panic
• Prince .
• Foo Fighters
• Queen
• John Fogerty
• Beyoncé
• Taylor Swift .
• Bruce Springsteen
• Lady Gaga
• Katy Perry
• Adele
• Aerosmith
• Celine Dion
• Guns N' Roses
• Jack White
• John Legend
• Linkin Park
• Madonna
• Pharrell Williams
• R.E.M.
• Village People
• ACTORS
• Robert De Niro
• Mark Buffalo
• George Clooney
• Eva Longoria
• America Ferrera
• Kerry Washingtom
• Julia Roberts
• Rosie O'Donnell
• Bette Midler
• John Cusack
• MILITARY LEADERS
• John Bolton
• Dan Coats
• Mark Esper
• John Kelly
• Jim Mattis
• H.R. McMaster
• FORMER PRESIDENTS
• Barack Obama
• George W. Bush
• Bill Clinton
• Jimmy Carter

On the other side of the coin, the amount of talented and well-known singers/actors/military leaders/ex-presidents that have supported and lauded Trump, is a very small amount (less than 10).

On top of all of this, one thing that has also surprised me to the nth degree, is that those Americans that have achieved great success in life and are generally lauded and respected by Americans, have been debased and pissed-on by Trump supporters (across the board). To me, that means that having worked hard and having had the ability to reach one's goals in life has no importance to Trump supporters. That earning the respect and good treatment by Trump supporters, we all have to support Trump.............or otherwise we are garbage.

Is this (supporting one person and nothing else being important) what the American Dream has become (according to the Far Right)?

This is an opinion piece (mine). It is both an opinion but a question as well.

"Is talent and ability to accomplish goals in life something Trump (and his supporters) against?

This morning when I heard the news that Robert Redford died yesterday, this thought (the OP question) came into my mind. Robert Redford was vocally against Trump and his goals, but so are a huge amount of people that have shown high talent, have accomplished major goals in life, and are generally not only respected but lauded by most Americans.

Here is a partial list of them:

• SINGERS
• The Rolling Stones
• Neil Young
• Adele
• Rihanna
• The White Stripes
• Isaac Hayes
• Elton John
• Panic
• Prince .
• Foo Fighters
• Queen
• John Fogerty
• Beyoncé
• Taylor Swift .
• Bruce Springsteen
• Lady Gaga
• Katy Perry
• Adele
• Aerosmith
• Celine Dion
• Guns N' Roses
• Jack White
• John Legend
• Linkin Park
• Madonna
• Pharrell Williams
• R.E.M.
• Village People
• ACTORS
• Robert De Niro
• Mark Buffalo
• George Clooney
• Eva Longoria
• America Ferrera
• Kerry Washingtom
• Julia Roberts
• Rosie O'Donnell
• Bette Midler
• John Cusack
• MILITARY LEADERS
• John Bolton
• Dan Coats
• Mark Esper
• John Kelly
• Jim Mattis
• H.R. McMaster
• FORMER PRESIDENTS
• Barack Obama
• George W. Bush
• Bill Clinton
• Jimmy Carter

On the other side of the coin, the amount of talented and well-known singers/actors/military leaders/ex-presidents that have supported and lauded Trump, is a very small amount (less than 10).

On top of all of this, one thing that has also surprised me to the nth degree, is that those Americans that have achieved great success in life and are generally lauded and respected by Americans, have been debased and pissed-on by Trump supporters (across the board). To me, that means that having worked hard and having had the ability to reach one's goals in life has no importance to Trump supporters. That earning the respect and good treatment by Trump supporters, we all have to support Trump.............or otherwise we are garbage.

Is this (supporting one person and nothing else being important) what the American Dream has become (according to the Far Right)?

Talent and ability are meaningless when you have quotas and DIE. You just need the “correct” skin color / ethnicity.

Litzy “ Pocahontas” Warren thanks you.

 

[Papageorgio]

You disagree that most Trump supporters debase people simply because they disagree with their opinion?

Yes. I do, some do, many don’t. I also believe some celebrities debase people just because they disagree with their opinion.

 

[Nostra]

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VOTE FOR ME AND I WILL PUT A ROLLING STONE IN EVERY RIVER, A LINKIN PARK IN EVERY CITY ANY QUEEN WOULD BE PROUD OF, WHITE STRIPES ON EVERY STREET…..BUT DON’T PANIC CUZ I WILL APPOINT A PRINCE WHO WILL HIRE LOTS AND LOTS OF VILLAGE PEOPLE TO SAVE US FROM THE GUNS N ROSES.

 

[Correll]

Yes. I do, some do, many don’t. I also believe some celebrities debase people just because they disagree with their opinion.

Obviously. That is the real issue. MAGA wouldn't give a **** if they just heard that some idiot in hollywood disagrees with them.

WHen that idiot si talking shit on us, that is a different matter.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Yeah, that's why he volunteered to have fucktards like you and OP hating on him all day every day for trying to make things better for Americans because he knows how to.
He needed a bunch of losers hating on him more than he already had. That has to be it, amirite?
This OP originated from crazy Trump hate.

Get something straight, Marion. The orange bag O' shit has done precisely dick for the average American thus far. There's very little to like or approve of.