Is it time to make nice with CUBA??

[Working Man]

Seems like the Movie Reviews can stir up some pent up anger. So, I would like to know, is it time to make peace with Cuba, even if Castro is still at the wheel, or do we wait for him to shit the bed before we cut the embargos and travel bans??

Think about it, the more social problems we "fix", the more social programs we put in place to serve this group, and that group, are we not getting to be more like a socialist state too?

Personally, Communism, not my first choice. Seems like those who have had it, have had it with it and are moving toward capitalism, at least to some extent.

But for short periods, when things are tuff for a people, of a particular area, and they are basicaly left to fend for themselves,, banding together for the good of themselves as a whole,,, what system do they need to see them through???

 

[manu1959]

why bother

 

[sitarro]

why bother

The pat answer will of course be the cigars but what a joke, their not that special, give me a Camacho or a Punch anyday. Everyone east of the middle of Texas wanted Coors back in the 70s, not because it was any good but because you couldn't get it. My dad flew corporate jets back then. When he would fly this one family to Aspen for skiing he would always bring a bunch of cases of that watered down beer back to Louisiana. It was hilarious to see the reaction of people that came over for parties, hey would go nuts...over Coors!!!!!??????They even did a movie about the lack of availability of Coors....Smokey and the Bandit.

 

[manu1959]

The pat answer will of course be the cigars but what a joke, their not that special, give me a Camacho or a Punch anyday. Everyone east of the middle of Texas wanted Coors back in the 70s, not because it was any good but because you couldn't get it. My dad flew corporate jets back then. When he would fly this one family to Aspen for skiing he would always bring a bunch of cases of that watered down beer back to Louisiana. It was hilarious to see the reaction of people that came over for parties, hey would go nuts...over Coors!!!!!??????They even did a movie about the lack of availability of Coors....Smokey and the Bandit.

give ya that...maybe we should open realations for 57 cheby parts

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Yes, we should have free and unrestricted trade with Cuba. Mainly because the wretched poverty of the Cuban people is not going to effect Castro in any way. They won't be able to have much of an uprising if they are starving to death. Also, flooding Cuba with american tourists and investors would make it more difficult for Cuba's gestapo to keep tabs on people. Only a small number of americans travel there now, and you can bet that every single one is being watched. And finally, it will neuter Castro's biggest propaganda tool, the idea that their poverty is due to the american embargo, rather than the foolishness of communism.

 

[sitarro]

Yes, we should have free and unrestricted trade with Cuba. Mainly because the wretched poverty of the Cuban people is not going to effect Castro in any way. They won't be able to have much of an uprising if they are starving to death. Also, flooding Cuba with american tourists and investors would make it more difficult for Cuba's gestapo to keep tabs on people. Only a small number of americans travel there now, and you can bet that every single one is being watched. And finally, it will neuter Castro's biggest propaganda tool, the idea that their poverty is due to the american embargo, rather than the foolishness of communism.

Isn't it already a vacation mecca for Euros?

 

[jillian]

I thnk it's kind of silly to ignore Cuba when we have dealings with people far worse than Castro. And as was pointed out, who's it hurting? Not Castro. He could care less. But it is hurting his people.

It's not even a State Department regulation that keeps us from going there. It's a Treasuray Department regulation that prohibits our "spending money" there.

As for the cigars, all the good cigar makers ran to the Dominican Republic, so you generally get a milder, better cigar from the DR now than you do Cuba. As to why I know that.... I am surrounded by cigar afficianados.

 

[KarlMarx]

Seems like the Movie Reviews can stir up some pent up anger. So, I would like to know, is it time to make peace with Cuba, even if Castro is still at the wheel, or do we wait for him to shit the bed before we cut the embargos and travel bans??

Think about it, the more social problems we "fix", the more social programs we put in place to serve this group, and that group, are we not getting to be more like a socialist state too?

Personally, Communism, not my first choice. Seems like those who have had it, have had it with it and are moving toward capitalism, at least to some extent.

But for short periods, when things are tuff for a people, of a particular area, and they are basicaly left to fend for themselves,, banding together for the good of themselves as a whole,,, what system do they need to see them through???

You obviously don't know anyone that lived in a Communist state. If you had, you wouldn't be making the statements that you are. Communism is not innocent. It has been, and is, ruled by tyrants who think nothing of killing people by the thousands. Communism is little different than the rule of the Roman Emperors, the kings of the Middle Ages, Ghengis Khan or any other tyrant from history you care to name. Communism is not for the people, it is for a select elite (the royalty) that oppress the masses. Communism has killed more people in its less than 100 years of rule than all the religions put together have killed from the Crusades onwards.

Castro and Cuba can be very easily solved, if our country and our political leaders had the will. That is, do exactly what we did in Iraq, invade. It wouldn't take much to defeat Castro's forces. Once there, establish a democratic form of government and get the American dollars flowing. True, Cuba would have to be an American protectorate for a while. After all, people are on the verge of starvation and things won't turn around overnight. Of course, this is a pipe dream. If you think that the screeching from the Left over Iraq is intolerable, it will be nothing compared to their howls of protest over Cuba.

After all, Castro is Hollywood's favorite tyrant, bar none. Celebrities from Steven Spielberg to Jimmy Carter flock to "El Generalisimo's" side. That in itself is worthy of about a 1000 word tirade from yours truly. Talk about stupid... of all people, a former president of the United States making nice with one of the worst human rights violaters on the planet today. Jimmy Carter and the present scum of Hollywood would have been fighting each other for audiences with Stalin, Che Guevara, Pol Pot and Mao if they were around.

P.S. In case you're wondering, no, Hitler wouldn't get a nod from the Hollywood glitterati, not that he wasn't nasty enough, no, he was a RIGHT wing extremist, something that they can't abide. If Hitler slaughtered the Jews for worldwide Socialism, THEN he would have been a good fellow and Hollywood would be treating us all to films that deny the Holocaust and give the Nazi side of the occupation of Europe on a grand scale.

P.P.S. If you ever wondered (and I know you haven't) why KarlMarx hates people like Hillary Clinton so much, ask yourself, "how is Hillary's attitude like that of El Presidente Castro (and of course, let's not forget Beloved Leader)?". If your answer is "not much", then you have your answer! They're both elitist, holier than thou, I'm better than you, I'll rob from you for the common good, (the "common good" being defined as Hillary or Castro), the rules and the law don't apply to me, I'll do anything to get power except be honest, I'd sell my mother to the devil to be in charge, asswipe bastards.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

"Make nice with Cuba"? And Castro? You mean make nice with Communism and totalitarianism? I can't believe some of you are even considering the idea. Has Hollywood liberalism invaded and softened your minds that much? If anything, we should have blotted out Castro from the face of the earth long ago. Ask any Cuban who has risked his life swimming on an inner tube for 70 miles of ocean to escape.

Liberals have allowed that dirty filthy tyrant to exist for years at our very door step...and they even celebrate him....and some of you wonder why we hate liberals so much. Castro is only an annoyance in the bigger picture today but he's a perfect example of liberal stupidity.

We "made nice" with Korea under Clinton. Remember? Now look how they thank us.

We "made nice" with Iran under Jimmy Carter. Again, look at the wonderful results.

Communism is diametrically opposed to America. Wake up people! Never let the liberals fool you into thinking we should "make nice" with Communism.

Great post Karl!

 

[Mr.Conley]

1. Wait until Castro dies.
2. If we're lucky, there will be a power struggle for the top position. We chose the most democratic guy and support him with cash and by 'removing' the opposition.
3. Either we get our guy to immediantly switch over to a democratic form of government or make him guarantee that once he dies the government switches over to democracy a la Taiwan.
4. With our guy in power, American investment flows in. Hotels, resorts, the tourist industry all move in. The economy rises rapidly. Democracy is introduced and America wins.

 

[jillian]

"Make nice with Cuba"? And Castro? You mean make nice with Communism and totalitarianism? I can't believe some of you are even considering the idea. Has Hollywood liberalism invaded and softened your minds that much? If anything, we should have blotted out Castro from the face of the earth long ago. Ask any Cuban who has risked his life swimming on an inner tube for 70 miles of ocean to escape.

Liberals have allowed that dirty filthy tyrant to exist for years at our very door step...and they even celebrate him....and some of you wonder why we hate liberals so much. Castro is only an annoyance in the bigger picture today but he's a perfect example of liberal stupidity.

We "made nice" with Korea under Clinton. Remember? Now look how they thank us.

We "made nice" with Iran under Jimmy Carter. Again, look at the wonderful results.

Communism is diametrically opposed to America. Wake up people! Never let the liberals fool you into thinking we should "make nice" with Communism.

Great post Karl!

And we "made nice" with China under Nixon and had relations with the Soviet Union. Were they not a communist State?

Hence the Cuba issue being a silly one.

 

[manu1959]

And we "made nice" with China under Nixon and had relations with the Soviet Union. Were they not a communist State?

Hence the Cuba issue being a silly one.

well when the dems are in control again you all can open relations with cuba.....why didn't big bill open trade relations with them?

 

[5stringJeff]

If we had listened to the South back in the 1850's, Cuba would be an American state instead of a dictatorship.

That is all. Carry on.

 

[jillian]

well when the dems are in control again you all can open relations with cuba.....why didn't big bill open trade relations with them?

Who says I didn't think he should have?

Mayhaps he figured he'd get more garbage from Congress.

 

[manu1959]

Who says I didn't think he should have?

Mayhaps he figured he'd get more garbage from Congress.

fair enough..... anything made in cuba you would want to buy?

 

[jillian]

fair enough..... anything made in cuba you would want to buy?

I wouldn't know. I've never been. But my brother was there with an ex-gf whose family is from there. He loved Havana. But said there's huge poverty.

 

[Mr. P]

I wouldn't know. I've never been. But my brother was there with an ex-gf whose family is from there. He loved Havana. But said there's huge poverty.

Yeah there is, tis a result of the Communist government. I guess by makin-up we can pour $$$$ in there an fix that. NOT! I'd never support such until Castro is gone and we can see what happens.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

And we "made nice" with China under Nixon and had relations with the Soviet Union. Were they not a communist State?

Hence the Cuba issue being a silly one.

Not silly at all. Recognize Cuba for what it is. Same goes for China. Nixon was anti-Communist as any politician could get. He used the Sino-Soviet split to his advantage - a briliant foreign-relations chess game move on his part with definite objectives in mind to help America. What great help would Castro be to America if we normalized relations? I suppose we would next need to become buddies with Chavez?

 

[dilloduck]

I wouldn't know. I've never been. But my brother was there with an ex-gf whose family is from there. He loved Havana. But said there's huge poverty.

Normalize relations with Cuba and the first American store there will be a Wal Mart.:rotflmao:

 

[Mr.Conley]

All we have to do is wait until Castro dies. Then we move in. Hotels, beach resorts, cruise destinations, bars, shops, beaches, tourist traps, wildlife excursions, scuba diving, wind surfing, sailing, Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville, and all at less than the prices of Florida. We build up the economy with our America-backed strongman and once he dies we institute democracy just like in South Korea and Taiwan. It's worked before and it'll work again.

A prosperous, stable country with a good economy (Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand, Portugal, Spain) are much more likely to survive the transition to democracy and keep that form of government then countries with poor economies, marginal governments, and instability (All of Africa, Venezuela, Pakistan, Burma). If we buiild up Cuba's economy under an American-backed strongman, Cuba is much more likely to make the transition to becoming a stable, prosperous, democratic ally then if we go straight to democracy post-Castro.