Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[Delldude]

We have first hand testimony, we have written notes, we have multiple accounts, we have official records for replacing the people refusing to lie. We have TONS of evidence.

3 years old. Beating a dead horse.

 

[JoeB131]

A good defense attorney will put any eye witness testimony misused by the prosecution into its full context however. When the media takes things out of their full context and/or creatively edits to create a specific impression, the gullible will use that pretending it is the real deal.

Example: Here at USMB and in all the alphabet MSM we have heard again and again the criticism that Trump described U.S. citizens as 'the enemy within' and threatened to use the U.S. military against them.

Here is the full context of Trump's remarks which obviously is very different than how the dishonest left is spinning it.

Bartiromo: What are you expecting? Joe Biden said he doesn’t think it’s going to be a peaceful Election Day.

Trump: Well, he doesn’t have any idea what’s happening — in all fairness. He spends most of his day sleeping. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in — and destroying our country and, by the way, totally destroying our country. The towns and villages, they’re being inundated. But I don’t think they have the problem in terms of Election Day. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.

What Exactly Did Trump Say About Adam Schiff and Using the Military On ‘The Enemy Within’?

Trump’s interview with Maria Bartiromo grabbed headlines throughout the week as Trump was blasted for using the phrase “enemy within”

www.mediaite.com

And if you listen to the actual unedited video included in the link, you can see how thoughtful and measured those remarks were. Not a wild eyed dictator intending to use the U.S. military against his opponents or as some interpreted it against illegals, but a measured leader who understands that in some life threatening situations it is sometime necessary to use the military to enforce the EXISTING law.

You can try spinning it all day, but Trump was calling for unleashing the military on the populace over something (undocumented immigration) which is barely a misdemeanor.

 

[JoeB131]

Seriously, you're equating a colonoscopy with GAC and reassignment surgery. Jesus fucking christ are you an idiot. I've had one, it's not that bad. But you should be used to spewing BS anyways, it just comes out of your brain and spews all over these forums.

Naw, guy, I think the problem here is that you religious crazies are being led around by the nose on this NON-ISSUE. I mean, the way you carry on, you'd think the country was being overrun with Trannies.

I'm 62, and I've only met one transgender in my life, and that person wasn't even out at the time.

But the way you crazies tell it, there's a whole bunch of kids getting their dicks chopped off.

hat's what I'm trying to say. This is GAC.

Hormone therapy - Needed for all ages. Needed for rest of one's life. At certain ages, hormone therapy creates greater risks for reassignment surgery.
GAC is remove male genitalia
GAC has the risk of removing libido, sexual function, pleasure, and other areas sexual function.
Hormone therapy has the potential to present greater risks of cancer patients because of long term hormone therapy.
GAC for trans men attempts to place a no working phallus onto a woman with great risk to the urinary system.
The list can go on and on, which you want to be the norm.

It's interesting that you focus on MTF GAC. I think it speaks volumes to your fears.

Again, you don't read and comprehend. Let an adult do what they want. However, let a child's body grow and mature so that a child can then decide to do what they want with their body AFTER they have experienced what a fully mature body can do sexually. You're okay in removing the possibllity of sexual enjoyment and the experience from a human.

Again, the problem with that is by the time the transgender kid reaches 18, their body has grown into that wrong gender and it takes a lot more work to correct it. The best time to start, from a medical perspective, is when they hit puberty.

Now, Transgenderism has a lot of comorbidities. A lot of them also tend to be autistic. So I'm all for using caution and discretion as to who gets care.

I just don't think we need to let the religious fanatics guide the conversation.

But I get it. You come off as someone who doesn't have children, so therefore you can't empathize with a parent, nor do you probably have a good sex life, so you don't care if others want to experience thatas well, so instead, fuck 'em all. If you can't have it, neither can they. This is the type of person you present. Must be lonely during the holidays.

I have a great sex life, which is why you are obsessed with mine.

Never wanted kids. Don't really like them that much.

Obviously, you are the one with a lack of empathy, because you can't get what it is probably like for a transgender kid, trapped in a body that doesn't match her mind. You probably think that they just need to "Man Up" or something.

 

[LibertyKid]

Naw, guy, I think the problem here is that you religious crazies

I'm not a religious crazy. And you have nothing to suggest that. So keep illogically generalizing.

are being led around by the nose on this NON-ISSUE.

It is an issue for children to start hormone therapy at a young age. I argue that they need to allow their biological bodies grow, so they can experience what their body can do biologically. That gay child may turn out to like their gay body as it is. Why medically stop it from doing what it's been designed to do?

I mean, the way you carry on, you'd think the country was being overrun with Trannies.

It's not. Very very very small subset of the population. But one would think that percentage is much larger due to the political and social narratives espoused by the left and represented on just about every mainstream entertainment media. However, just because the number is small, doesn't negate someone having an opinion, especially since the LEFT are the ones pushing the LBGTQ agenda.

I'm 62, and I've only met one transgender in my life, and that person wasn't even out at the time.

Okay, good for you. Matters not to the convo.

But the way you crazies tell it, there's a whole bunch of kids getting their dicks chopped off.

There isn't. No one said that. You're generalizing, again. But, if you look at Jazz, his penis was medically reduced to stop puberty. But that had its consequences. Thus why I say, allow adults or at minimum, near adults make well informed decisions about transitioning.

It's interesting that you focus on MTF GAC. I think it speaks volumes to your fears.

No, it speaks volumes to learning and understanding. Something you fall short of. FTM has it consequences as well and has various "options". If they want a penis, the can have a slab of skin removed from another area of the body and fabricated to be non-functioning faux penis. The risks are relocating the clitoris and not damaging the nerve endings. They can choose to relocate the urethra through the faux penis, but again, risks and complications. Or they can have a faux penis, and pee from their current urethra.

Either way, whichever way you choose to go, has a SHIT TON OF RISKS and it not "affirming care" in any way. It is extreme plastic surgery and manipulation of the human body that carries long term and irreversible consequences. But no one reads or hears about how extreme these procedures are. They only hear GAC saves lives. That's propaganda.

Again, the problem with that is by the time the transgender kid reaches 18, their body has grown into that wrong gender and it takes a lot more work to correct it. The best time to start, from a medical perspective, is when they hit puberty.

Wrong. Jazz is the perfect example of starting to young and the complications of such a thing. I'll argue that it is better for a child to learn how their body functions sexually, have sexual experiences with their biological bodies before they potentially and irreversibly remove functionality, sensation, desire before they even know what those things are. Homosexuals for a millennia have existed and lived within cultures that accepted their homosexuality without the need for transitioning. Only today, has this idea of gender dysphoria become a "fad", and now with medical capacity to simulate the opposite sex has it become this social fad.

Medical capacity does not equate to medical necessity.

Now, Transgenderism has a lot of comorbidities. A lot of them also tend to be autistic. So I'm all for using caution and discretion as to who gets care.

Maybe the most sensible thing you have ever posted.

I just don't think we need to let the religious fanatics guide the conversation.

I'm not a fanatic and don't disagree.

I have a great sex life, which is why you are obsessed with mine.

You brought mine into the convo. The only difference, you had to buy into yours, mine happened organically because i'm a man who can attract a woman.

Never wanted kids. Don't really like them that much.

They probably don't like you either.

Obviously, you are the one with a lack of empathy, because you can't get what it is probably like for a transgender kid, trapped in a body that doesn't match her mind.

Are you dumb. Do you comprehend anything I have said. I have empathy. But as a parent who has children and also wants them to experience the fullness of life, I wouldn't want to take away from them the possibility of healthy sex life. GAC absolutely can do that! GAC has the risk of taking away a fullfilling sex life. But you would rather advocate that it's more important for them be on hormones for the rest of their lives, endure all the risks and side effects that come along with GAC, potentially not have a fullfilling sex life just so they can present the wrong biological sex.

You probably think that they just need to "Man Up" or something.

Over generalization again. Can you stop, god you're a bitter old man.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not a religious crazy. And you have nothing to suggest that. So keep illogically generalizing.

I'm sure your religious crazy seems perfectly rational to you.

It is an issue for children to start hormone therapy at a young age. I argue that they need to allow their biological bodies grow, so they can experience what their body can do biologically. That gay child may turn out to like their gay body as it is. Why medically stop it from doing what it's been designed to do?

Well, it's a stupid argument. If the brain is female, letting them grow into a male body is a problem.

It's not. Very very very small subset of the population. But one would think that percentage is much larger due to the political and social narratives espoused by the left and represented on just about every mainstream entertainment media. However, just because the number is small, doesn't negate someone having an opinion, especially since the LEFT are the ones pushing the LBGTQ agenda.

You mean the agenda where they get all the things that we straight people take for granted?

There isn't. No one said that. You're generalizing, again. But, if you look at Jazz, his penis was medically reduced to stop puberty. But that had its consequences. Thus why I say, allow adults or at minimum, near adults make well informed decisions about transitioning.

The fact you keep referring to Jazz by male pronouns exposes your bias.

Jazz is perfectly happy with her life right now. You should probably mind your own business.

Wrong. Jazz is the perfect example of starting to young and the complications of such a thing. I'll argue that it is better for a child to learn how their body functions sexually, have sexual experiences with their biological bodies before they potentially and irreversibly remove functionality, sensation, desire before they even know what those things are. Homosexuals for a millennia have existed and lived within cultures that accepted their homosexuality without the need for transitioning. Only today, has this idea of gender dysphoria become a "fad", and now with medical capacity to simulate the opposite sex has it become this social fad.

So I'm curious, are you actually arguing that minors should have sex?

That you see homosexuals and transgenders as being the same thing, is kind of nuts.

I'm curious what millennia that gays were supposedly tolerated in. It certainly wasn't the last 1000 years.

You brought mine into the convo. The only difference, you had to buy into yours, mine happened organically because i'm a man who can attract a woman.

Nobody believes your married, guy. Besides that, I didn't have to "buy" anything, my wife had lived here for seven years before she met me.

 

[LibertyKid]

I'm sure your religious crazy seems perfectly rational to you.

You have no proof.

Well, it's a stupid argument. If the brain is female, letting them grow into a male body is a problem.

No, the argument is yours to prove that the brain, systematically of itself, has a binary gender that is outside the chromosomes of the determined sex.

You mean the agenda where they get all the things that we straight people take for granted?

You understand what is meant, and you also mean to mischaracterize what is meant. I'd expect nothing more from you.

The fact you keep referring to Jazz by male pronouns exposes your bias.

Biased based on science. Sure. 500 years from now, when they did up Jazz and want to know if they is a male or female, Jazz will be a male. And no amount of plastic surgery can change that. Will I respect someone's decision, sure. I'll call them by what they want. But at the end of the day, genetically, they are either male or female.

Jazz is perfectly happy with her life right now. You should probably mind your own business.

That's rich coming from you that interjects, generalizes and mischaracterizes everyone else.

So I'm curious, are you actually arguing that minors should have sex?

Don't be dumb and ignorant. One doesn't have to have sex to experience and orgasm. I'm sure the first 60 years of your life you experienced this yourself.


You would rather a parent for whatever their reason, who recognizes something in their child that denotes homosexuality, place that child under GAC so they can begin a years long process of medically altering their bodies and eventually undergoing major plastic surgery to add/remove parts, and then endure years of post op maintenance and hormone therapy all the while taking the huge risk of mutilating the body to the point that sexual function is greatly decreased if not entirely, and NEVER experiencing a fulfilled sex life instead of letting a sexually informed and experienced near adult or adult make that decision for themselves.

Your sick if you would take away the potential for sexual gratification from an adult, by introducing GAC at a young age, just because you're the parent.

That you see homosexuals and transgenders as being the same thing, is kind of nuts.

100 years ago and beyond, they were. Most "Trans" were cross dressing males or butches and dykes that dressed like men. Medical capacity is giving those that want to transition, that ability. We just had gay and lesbians who were happy with their body at one time. Now it seems society and certain agendas are telling people, you can be happy in other ways. Let's mutilate your body to do so. GAC should the LAST resort.

I'm curious what millennia that gays were supposedly tolerated in. It certainly wasn't the last 1000 years.

Ancient Rome, Greece; Spartans were know to engage in homosexuality and was a part of their culture. It used to be the big three. Now EVEN Israel is an advocate for the LGB Community. Unfortunately Christianity and Islam has played a huge part in criminalizing and denouncing homosexualit.

Nobody believes your married, guy. Besides that, I didn't have to "buy" anything, my wife had lived here for seven years before she met me.

Then nobody believes anything you say. That's why personal anecdotes are meaningless. You could say you're 6'4" and a male adonis, but in reality, you look closer to this guy:

 

[Foxfyre]

You can try spinning it all day, but Trump was calling for unleashing the military on the populace over something (undocumented immigration) which is barely a misdemeanor.

Provide the full unedited quote in full context or you're lying. Hearsay is not acceptable evidence.

 

[JoeB131]

No, the argument is yours to prove that the brain, systematically of itself, has a binary gender that is outside the chromosomes of the determined sex.

Which has already been scientifically proven.

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to new research. The findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool...

www.sciencedaily.com

Biased based on science. Sure. 500 years from now, when they did up Jazz and want to know if they is a male or female, Jazz will be a male. And no amount of plastic surgery can change that. Will I respect someone's decision, sure. I'll call them by what they want. But at the end of the day, genetically, they are either male or female.

Oh, the old, "When they dig you up" argument. That shit never gets old. Of course, most people are cremated these days, and I really don't care what they do with my remains in 500 years because I'll be dead. I did have an amusing thought once about spring loading my coffin so my corpse pops up and scares the shit out of Future Indiana Jones."

You would rather a parent for whatever their reason, who recognizes something in their child that denotes homosexuality, place that child under GAC so they can begin a years long process of medically altering their bodies and eventually undergoing major plastic surgery to add/remove parts, and then endure years of post op maintenance and hormone therapy all the while taking the huge risk of mutilating the body to the point that sexual function is greatly decreased if not entirely, and NEVER experiencing a fulfilled sex life instead of letting a sexually informed and experienced near adult or adult make that decision for themselves.

Again, Transgender and Gay aren't the same thing. I doubt any parent would place their kid in GAC because they were gay.

100 years ago and beyond, they were. Most "Trans" were cross dressing males or butches and dykes that dressed like men. Medical capacity is giving those that want to transition, that ability. We just had gay and lesbians who were happy with their body at one time. Now it seems society and certain agendas are telling people, you can be happy in other ways. Let's mutilate your body to do so. GAC should the LAST resort.

100 years ago, blacks rode on the back of the bus, women were expected to stay in the kitchen, and the Klan was considered a legitimate civic organization. And that was in this country. Places like Nazi Germany (who your Hero Trump wishes he had generals from) straight up murdered LGBTQ people.

Data from 100 years ago was at best lacking. This was before the Kinsey report even studied human sexuality in any depth.

Kinsey Reports - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ancient Rome, Greece; Spartans were know to engage in homosexuality and was a part of their culture. It used to be the big three. Now EVEN Israel is an advocate for the LGB Community. Unfortunately Christianity and Islam has played a huge part in criminalizing and denouncing homosexualit.

So, these ancient societies engaged in homosexuality, and they were just fine. Not seeing your point here.

Then nobody believes anything you say. That's why personal anecdotes are meaningless. You could say you're 6'4" and a male adonis, but in reality, you look closer to this guy:

You can take whatever I say any way you like, dude. You seem to have this bizarre habit of creating your own head canon to feel better about yourself, like saying my wife was a 90 Day Fiance. (Nope, she was a legal resident for 7 years before we got married.)

 

[LibertyKid]

Which has already been scientifically proven.

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to new research. The findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool...

www.sciencedaily.com

Old and outdated. What I supplied is newer data. Nice try.

Oh, the old, "When they dig you up" argument. That shit never gets old. Of course, most people are cremated these days, and I really don't care what they do with my remains in 500 years because I'll be dead. I did have an amusing thought once about spring loading my coffin so my corpse pops up and scares the shit out of Future Indiana Jones."

Still facts. You're quips prove nothing other than your ability to try and deflect.

Again, Transgender and Gay aren't the same thing. I doubt any parent would place their kid in GAC because they were gay.

What signs does a child's parents believe their child to have some type of Gender dysphoria?

100 years ago, blacks rode on the back of the bus, women were expected to stay in the kitchen, and the Klan was considered a legitimate civic organization. And that was in this country. Places like Nazi Germany (who your Hero Trump wishes he had generals from) straight up murdered LGBTQ people.

Data from 100 years ago was at best lacking. This was before the Kinsey report even studied human sexuality in any depth.

Kinsey Reports - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You're deflecting again.

So, these ancient societies engaged in homosexuality, and they were just fine. Not seeing your point here.

The point is they were gay or engaged in gay and or bi sex and didn't try to become the opposite sex. They were sexually happy with how their bodies worked. And if men wanted to be woman, they dressed that way. The idea of gross medical mutilation of the body is now only a contemporary idea. Medical capacity does not always equate to medical necessity. But that's not what we hear. GAC saves lives, but at what cost. And that cost is not in the narrative.

You can take whatever I say any way you like, dude. You seem to have this bizarre habit of creating your own head canon to feel better about yourself, like saying my wife was a 90 Day Fiance. (Nope, she was a legal resident for 7 years before we got married.)

Wait, you speculate and generalize people you know absolutely nothing about ALL THE TIME, yet, you say I'm creating this "head canon'. I'm only following YOUR suit. Jesus, you are an absolute narcissist.

 

[JoeB131]

Old and outdated. What I supplied is newer data. Nice try.

What you provided was transphobic garbage that really didn't address the point that transgender brains work different than than cisgendered brains. - i.e. - resembled the structure of their identified gender rather than their biological one.

Still facts. You're quips prove nothing other than your ability to try and deflect.

I guess you missed the point. If you are really worried 'What are people going to think when they dig me up in 500 years", you totally have your priorities wrong.

What signs does a child's parents believe their child to have some type of Gender dysphoria?

Again, why they might need to go to professionals.

How to Know If Your Child Is Transgender

Learn the signs to determine if your child may be transgender. Discover ways to support your child and seek the best professional support. Read more here.

polaristeen.com

The point is they were gay or engaged in gay and or bi sex and didn't try to become the opposite sex. They were sexually happy with how their bodies worked. And if men wanted to be woman, they dressed that way.

Um, LGBTQ people in the past were just hoping to not be murdered by bigots!!! They were anything BUT happy.

Now, I had an aunt who was gay, but because she lived in a very strict Catholic community, she made herself miserable trying to conform to what was expected of her. Her unhappiness affected her daughter, which in turn affected her grandsons (two of whom eventually wound up in prison.) All the misery inflicted by religious bigots.

The idea of gross medical mutilation of the body is now only a contemporary idea. Medical capacity does not always equate to medical necessity. But that's not what we hear. GAC saves lives, but at what cost. And that cost is not in the narrative.

Why do you limit this to Gender Identity? How about people who get boob jobs, rhinoplasties, liposuctions, facelifts, hair transplants, and so on because they are not happy with who they are or how they look. Not to mention extreme shit like pageant contestants who get ribs removed to look thinner.

My personal not-favorite is Asian people who get Blephorplasties. That's where they make their eyes look more western and less Asian, because someone drilled into their heads that was the standard of beauty in this country.

But oddly, you aren't outraged by any of this.

Wait, you speculate and generalize people you know absolutely nothing about ALL THE TIME, yet, you say I'm creating this "head canon'. I'm only following YOUR suit.

Well, you'll never be as cool as I am, so you should stop trying.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, to get away from the Kid, who is all for "Liberty" for white, straight, cisgendered, Christian Males (the rest of you are on your own.)

Let's get it back to the reality of why we don't need third parties.

Because at the end of the day, the two main parties have deep benches of people who know how to run the government. Even Trump, as much as a fucked up disaster as he was, had the guard rails of the people who knew what they were doing to keep him from doing anything really stupid.

the Libertarians, Greens, etc.... just don't have that. So they would either have to bring in people who don't know what they are doing, or they will have to tap into the bench of party types who do.

 

[dblack]

Regardless of which party they come from, we need to elect leaders who are interested in representing the entire country, rather than just scoring points for their "side" of the fucking culture war.

 

[JoeB131]

Regardless of which party they come from, we need to elect leaders who are interested in representing the entire country, rather than just scoring points for their "side" of the fucking culture war.

Here's the problem with that.

The sides in the culture war show up to vote.
They donate to candidates.
They show up at rallies.
They volunteer.

the problem with complaining, "People who care about X issue have too much influence," is that they actually care enough to do something about it.

Take abortion. only 8% of the population, even Post-Dobbs, list abortion as the most important issue guiding their vote.

But they show up.

 

[dblack]

Here's the problem with that.

There is no problem with that. The country would do much better with leadership dedicated to consensus, rather than partisan bickering.

The sides in the culture war show up to vote.
They donate to candidates.
They show up at rallies.
They volunteer.

And they decide who the rest of us get to vote for. Fuck that. They crank up the fear mongering and play the lesser of two evils game. This is why we need ranked choice voting.

 

[Sparker]

I remember the words of Jim Hightower on the Roseanne talk show: "I would be happy with a second party." At that time, the Democrats seemed to be nothing more than Republican-lite.

 

[LibertyKid]

What you provided was transphobic garbage

Using the term "phobic" to try and argue logically with someone who disagrees with you is a tiresome and I wouldn't expect less from you.

that really didn't address the point that transgender brains work different than than cisgendered brains. - i.e. - resembled the structure of their identified gender rather than their biological one.

Because the article stated that there is no difference. So you then have two weigh the information. I'm not transphobic and neither is the author of the research.

I guess you missed the point. If you are really worried 'What are people going to think when they dig me up in 500 years", you totally have your priorities wrong.

The science and biology will determine the sex. Period.

Again, why they might need to go to professionals.

How to Know If Your Child Is Transgender

Learn the signs to determine if your child may be transgender. Discover ways to support your child and seek the best professional support. Read more here.

polaristeen.com

And to my point, 100 years ago and beyond, there was no such thing. Most of those people, were just gay.

Um, LGBTQ people in the past were just hoping to not be murdered by bigots!!! They were anything BUT happy.

But many were. We can think Christianity and religion for creating the bigots. Something I think we can agree with, but I'm sure you'll find some way to argue cause, god forbid you agree with anyone.

Why do you limit this to Gender Identity? How about people who get boob jobs, rhinoplasties, liposuctions, facelifts, hair transplants, and so on because they are not happy with who they are or how they look. Not to mention extreme shit like pageant contestants who get ribs removed to look thinner.

As I said before, what an adult wants to do with their body, is their choice. However, you or I, shouldn't be footing the bill for any elective procedure.

My personal not-favorite is Asian people who get Blephorplasties. That's where they make their eyes look more western and less Asian, because someone drilled into their heads that was the standard of beauty in this country.

But oddly, you aren't outraged by any of this.

Why are you assuming what I believe or don't. See this is where you fall of the rails 'Dude'. You have no logical emotional intelligence. To suggest that I am not outraged by elective cosmetic surgery as some point to your argument is a strawman fallacy. You're misrepresenting my stance illogically.

Well, you'll never be as cool as I am, so you should stop trying.

You mean the guy sitting at his desk, in his apartment, (I mean CONDO), with this 20 year old shit brown sweater with a white a callar hanging out who doesn't talk to his brother anymore and isn't invited to family gatherings, nah, I don't want to be cool like you.

 

[JoeB131]

There is no problem with that. The country would do much better with leadership dedicated to consensus, rather than partisan bickering.

And they decide who the rest of us get to vote for. Fuck that. They crank up the fear mongering and play the lesser of two evils game. This is why we need ranked choice voting.

Yes, that's the point. They get involved. That's why they get a bigger say.

The problem with "Ranked Choice Voting" is that's how Eric Adams got in, even though only 30% of the mere 800K who voted in the primary wanted him. It took 8 rounds to get him over 50%, that's how few people wanted him as their second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth choice. And look how wonderful he turned out!

2021 New York City mayoral election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LibertyKid]

Okay, to get away from the Kid, who is all for "Liberty" for white, straight, cisgendered, Christian Males (the rest of you are on your own.)

You're the one that goes there.

Let's get it back to the reality of why we don't need third parties.

Because at the end of the day, the two main parties have deep benches of people who know how to run the government.

And that's the part of the problem.

Even Trump, as much as a fucked up disaster as he was, had the guard rails of the people who knew what they were doing to keep him from doing anything really stupid.

That goes for any president and his staff

the Libertarians, Greens, etc.... just don't have that. So they would either have to bring in people who don't know what they are doing, or they will have to tap into the bench of party types who do.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Shouldn't we see cyclical turnaround of politicians coming out of local and state, then maybe if elected going to washington, then after a set time, if they are elected, come back to the local gov't? Too many career politicians who are imbedded deep into the D.C. who love the "lifestyle" and will say and do anything to maintain that lifestyle.

 

[LibertyKid]

Yes, that's the point. They get involved. That's why they get a bigger say.

The problem with "Ranked Choice Voting" is that's how Eric Adams got in, even though only 30% of the mere 800K who voted in the primary wanted him. It took 8 rounds to get him over 50%, that's how few people wanted him as their second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth choice. And look how wonderful he turned out!

2021 New York City mayoral election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Regarding RCV, the concern I see (and I'm just now educating myself on this) is a lack of choices (currently) which is due to the amount of money one needs to have upfront to campaign and have a legit voice. Plus, the media would have to be absolutely fair and unbiased so they would give all choices a voice to be heard.

 

[JoeB131]

Using the term "phobic" to try and argue logically with someone who disagrees with you is a tiresome and I wouldn't expect less from you.

As we can see below, Transphobia is your only motivation. Like all bigots, you try to rationalize it, but you really can't.

Because the article stated that there is no difference. So you then have two weigh the information. I'm not transphobic and neither is the author of the research.

Sure you are. There has been plenty of research on the brain structure of transgender people being quite different than the brain structures of cisgendered people.

The science and biology will determine the sex. Period.

Isn't the brain part of the science and biology. If a transgendered person has a female brain and a male sex organ, that should be taken into account.

And to my point, 100 years ago and beyond, there was no such thing. Most of those people, were just gay.

Not really true.

For instance, in Japan, you had the Wakashu, who were transgendered and considered a third sex.

Wakashu – Japan’s Third Gender – rainbopedia.org

rainbopedia.org

Of course, when Westerners came to Japan, they brought their transphobia with them.

There were also transgendered people in ancient Greece and Rome, before the Christians came along and fucked everything up. (Ah, yes, the Dark Ages, the first "Faith-Based Initiative!")

But many were. We can think Christianity and religion for creating the bigots. Something I think we can agree with, but I'm sure you'll find some way to argue cause, god forbid you agree with anyone.

Oh, I think Christianity fucks up a lot of things. A happy day when we've put it behind us and just let people live their lives.

As I said before, what an adult wants to do with their body, is their choice. However, you or I, shouldn't be footing the bill for any elective procedure.

Um, guy, see, here you are trying to grasp at straws to hide your transphobia. Unless you are sick that year, you are footing someone else's bills. If you are sick that year, someone else is footing your bills. We could have universal health care like any other sensible nation does, but instead we have this convoluted system of private insurance through employers.

Why are you assuming what I believe or don't. See this is where you fall of the rails 'Dude'. You have no logical emotional intelligence. To suggest that I am not outraged by elective cosmetic surgery as some point to your argument is a strawman fallacy. You're misrepresenting my stance illogically.

Actually, I'm taking quite a logical stance that YOU NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE THINGS. But you will dig up all sorts of Transphobic garbage about the dangers of GAC.

So one can conclude that you don't really care about body mutilation, you just don't like Trannies. Come on, guy, this is about your sexual insecurities.

You mean the guy sitting at his desk, in his apartment, (I mean CONDO), with this 20 year old shit brown sweater with a white a callar hanging out who doesn't talk to his brother anymore and isn't invited to family gatherings, nah, I don't want to be cool like you.

Wow, are you stalking me? You know, the last guy who did that got permabanned. (That picture is about 12 years old, so I can see where you are confused.)

Condos are awesome. I used to own a physical house, but shit, shovelling snow, raking leaves, mowing the lawn... that was all really kind of a bother i didn't want to deal with. I have just as much physical space as I would in a house, and I don't have to deal with any of that nonsense.

I don't talk to my brother for the same reason no one else in the family talks to him. He's mean-spirited and his wife is batshit crazy. (Of course, they are both Trump supporters.) We had a major falling out because one of their friends was a cop who shot an unarmed black child, and I thought the guy should to to jail, and he got very upset when I said so.