Wow ...wow....wow..... Even with his best efforts lefty still doesn't get it.

To be fair to Harris, Biden did put his support behind her when it became obvious that he wasn't going to be the candidate anymore. Had Biden endorsed a different candidate, the Dems might have had someone more capable of winning.
 
I kept waiting for you to make a point the whole time I was reading your essay. I didn't see one other than "Democrats bad" and the answer to why the election turned out as it did is obvious. You just didn't name it.
My reaction to the opinion piece (Brooks is on the NYT editorial staff because he's conservative, but one of the few that's not crazy) is his indulged in some dubious self flagellation for being educated and possessing above average wealth.

All the exit polls I've seen say the election was decided by the disaffected middle/low income voter who felt pinched by inflation (then misdirected their anger at Harris for being a part of the Biden admin) and have been frustrated by their financial situations for many years. A consequence of both parties being tone deaf to their plight, because they could. And of a failure by the affected constituencies to demand change from their elected representatives and vote them out if they didn't produce it.
I didn't name it because I didn't think it's been identified particularly. The NYT piece did a shit load of dancing and walked right up to the door a few times but never crossed the threshold....fear maybe?

I agree that economic issues seemed to be the Crux and yet Harris was the only Candidate even to mention it and I immediately jumped on it saying that she was addressing the biggest issue on people's minds. Trump never mentioned it once.....not even once did the word groceries leave his lips. Unless I missed it.

Ultimately I'm afraid it's simply a fickle factor...I have to wonder if Joe would have won.
 
I didn't name it because I didn't think it's been identified particularly. The NYT piece did a shit load of dancing and walked right up to the door a few times but never crossed the threshold....fear maybe?

I agree that economic issues seemed to be the Crux and yet Harris was the only Candidate even to mention it and I immediately jumped on it saying that she was addressing the biggest issue on people's minds. Trump never mentioned it once.....not even once did the word groceries leave his lips. Unless I missed it.

Ultimately I'm afraid it's simply a fickle factor...I have to wonder if Joe would have won.
Of course he did

 
I linked this to the Reddit section for the New York times and it shouldn't be behind a paywall.

It's a good article it starts off in the right direction but predictably loses its way halfway through and meanders off into apologia, pubescent rationalization and a desperate attempt not to see the realities of our political landscape such as it is today.


I don't understand what's wrong with just plain old honesty. Why can no one face it? JK Rowling ingeniously invented the mirror of Arissette for her readers.... I wonder if we could hire her to create one for us as a human race?

You have to understand that honesty means also looking in the mirror and being willing to admit that if you see ugliness looking back that's what's actually there. No it's not the silver back reflective paint being co-opted, it's not some evil spell cast on the reflection to distort it.... It's actually you! As a society we simply are not there yet.

The answers to the results of the most recent election are so much more simple than everybody wants them to be.

Some years ago I read an interesting political analysis on the pendulum like swing of political preferences from administration to administration here in the United States.

Yes it's that simple. A lot of our voting public simply don't like to have the same thing twice in a row regardless of what it is. It's an effect on our elections.

There is a certain percentage of voters out there who think to themselves "okay Republicans had four years now it's time to give the Democrats four years"... And vice versa.

There's absolutely no science to this process and no intellectual examination that can dissect it into a better strategy next time around.

Maybe it's an indictment of our voting system in general. One gets the distinct impression that the vote should not be available to every nitwit, moron, hellgrammite, and intellectually hobbled backwards bumpkin...Ahh!!! But that's just it!! It is!!

The average American is a much easier person to get along with than his political masters would have you believe. While every population of humans throughout history has always had it's good citizens, bad citizens and absolute criminal citizens.....The Majority of people by far, regardless of skin color, culture or politic are all interested in the same thing; a reasonably peacefully existence that shows mutual respect the one's neighbor who hopefully is no more than just another human being with other subcategories being completely irrelevant and unnecessary to observe.

I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that there are any universal lessons to learn here. But I can put my finger on a couple things done by those purporting to represent the left that probably drove the last few nails into the coffin lid this time around.

Obama's little lecture to black men, I think was a catastrophe. A lot of black men don't see Obama as a true black man. I wonder if he thinks about that?

Joe Biden's garbage comment probably moved the needle a little bit but I think all it really did was unify the conservative vote. None of the people he called garbage we're going to vote for Harris anyway.

For the past 3 years the voices have been shouting from the rooftops Economy! Economy! Economy!

It's one very simple and easy to understand issue.... Pointing to all the parts of the world and trying to tell those complaining about it but they have it better than others.... is not a successful strategy. Telling a person who just had his car towed away by the repo Man that the economic data shows that we are a booming economy.... is not a successful strategy.

If there's one thing that the Democratic left excelled at this time around it was the ability to pack their ears densely full of cotton and to continue to speak up over the voices that would eventually be going to the polls.
The Democrats took a drubbing for one reason and one reason only. The voting majority did not want what the Democrats were selling and did want what the Republicans are selling.
 
The Democrats took a drubbing for one reason and one reason only. The voting majority did not want what the Democrats were selling and did want what the Republicans are selling.

50.5% is barely a majority.

Funny, when Obama won by far more than that, you didn't make comments like this.
 
She was? Biden got 81mil votes. She will at best do 72mil. Do the math.

zogsterrrrrrrrrrr --- upwards of 15,000,000 people didn't vote this time around.

apathy disgusts me. & protest votes do as well.
 
zogsterrrrrrrrrrr --- upwards of 15,000,000 people didn't vote this time around.

apathy disgusts me. & protest votes do as well.
Abstaining is a right. In dictatorships people are forced to vote a certain way. 🤷‍♂️
 
Maybe.

Maybe they didn't vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman.

Maybe without the threat of riots, plagues, and double digit unemployment, they just weren't motivated.
Get a grip..... you actually think primary voters weren't pissed enough not to vote?

I'm not saying everyone...
 
Get a grip..... you actually think primary voters weren't pissed enough not to vote?

I'm not saying everyone...
Comrade Iosef is bitterly clinging to any excuse that will let him ignore the very obvious repudiation the American people gave the Democratic Party.
 
Get a grip..... you actually think primary voters weren't pissed enough not to vote?

I'm not saying everyone...

No, actually, I don't think the primary voters were the issue. Only 14 million people voted in the primaries, and Biden was largely unopposed.

I think it's more likely that if you didn't live in a swing state, you were probably just less motivated to vote. It would be interesting to compare 2020 to 2024. I'm guessing the vote totals will have gone down in TX and IL, but remained the same or went up in PA or MI.
 
Biden got blamed for high grocery prices

Harris became an extension of Biden

The irony is that Trump was as guilty of causing that early post Covid inflation as Biden and it’s OVER

Inflation has come down to normal

My wife is a hard hard core liberal. Even SHE is pissed about those grocery prices

She doesn’t blame Biden
/Harris but she is still pissed

Women who are not as liberal as she seemed to blame Harris


That’s pretty much it.
You are a man? :lol:
Wow
 
Maybe.

Maybe they didn't vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a woman.

Maybe without the threat of riots, plagues, and double digit unemployment, they just weren't motivated.
Saw many on the street interviews and one constant was Biden's primary voters weren't happy and many wouldn't vote.

Unintended consequences of a high level DNC coup to a sitting president.
 
No, actually, I don't think the primary voters were the issue. Only 14 million people voted in the primaries, and Biden was largely unopposed.
The people that supported Biden and voted for him got the shaft. So they're just supposed to bend over and smile?

Biden threatened others from running.
 
The people that supported Biden and voted for him got the shaft. So they're just supposed to bend over and smile?

Biden threatened others from running.
How did we get the shaft? We had a replacement candidate who stood for all the same issues.

Unless one was a misogynist or a racist, I can't see how any progressive would be upset about Harris tapping in after it was clear Biden wasn't up to campaigning.
 
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