Wow ...wow....wow..... Even with his best efforts lefty still doesn't get it.

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I linked this to the Reddit section for the New York times and it shouldn't be behind a paywall.

It's a good article it starts off in the right direction but predictably loses its way halfway through and meanders off into apologia, pubescent rationalization and a desperate attempt not to see the realities of our political landscape such as it is today.


I don't understand what's wrong with just plain old honesty. Why can no one face it? JK Rowling ingeniously invented the mirror of Arissette for her readers.... I wonder if we could hire her to create one for us as a human race?

You have to understand that honesty means also looking in the mirror and being willing to admit that if you see ugliness looking back that's what's actually there. No it's not the silver back reflective paint being co-opted, it's not some evil spell cast on the reflection to distort it.... It's actually you! As a society we simply are not there yet.

The answers to the results of the most recent election are so much more simple than everybody wants them to be.

Some years ago I read an interesting political analysis on the pendulum like swing of political preferences from administration to administration here in the United States.

Yes it's that simple. A lot of our voting public simply don't like to have the same thing twice in a row regardless of what it is. It's an effect on our elections.

There is a certain percentage of voters out there who think to themselves "okay Republicans had four years now it's time to give the Democrats four years"... And vice versa.

There's absolutely no science to this process and no intellectual examination that can dissect it into a better strategy next time around.

Maybe it's an indictment of our voting system in general. One gets the distinct impression that the vote should not be available to every nitwit, moron, hellgrammite, and intellectually hobbled backwards bumpkin...Ahh!!! But that's just it!! It is!!

The average American is a much easier person to get along with than his political masters would have you believe. While every population of humans throughout history has always had it's good citizens, bad citizens and absolute criminal citizens.....The Majority of people by far, regardless of skin color, culture or politic are all interested in the same thing; a reasonably peacefully existence that shows mutual respect the one's neighbor who hopefully is no more than just another human being with other subcategories being completely irrelevant and unnecessary to observe.

I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that there are any universal lessons to learn here. But I can put my finger on a couple things done by those purporting to represent the left that probably drove the last few nails into the coffin lid this time around.

Obama's little lecture to black men, I think was a catastrophe. A lot of black men don't see Obama as a true black man. I wonder if he thinks about that?

Joe Biden's garbage comment probably moved the needle a little bit but I think all it really did was unify the conservative vote. None of the people he called garbage we're going to vote for Harris anyway.

For the past 3 years the voices have been shouting from the rooftops Economy! Economy! Economy!

It's one very simple and easy to understand issue.... Pointing to all the parts of the world and trying to tell those complaining about it but they have it better than others.... is not a successful strategy. Telling a person who just had his car towed away by the repo Man that the economic data shows that we are a booming economy.... is not a successful strategy.

If there's one thing that the Democratic left excelled at this time around it was the ability to pack their ears densely full of cotton and to continue to speak up over the voices that would eventually be going to the polls.
 
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There is a certain percentage of voters out there who think of themselves "okay Republicans had four years now it's time to give the Democrats four years"... And vice versa.

There's absolutely no science to this process and no intellectual examination that can dissect it into a better strategy next time around.

Maybe it's an indictment of our voting system in general.


It's because politicians from both sides never live up to their promises. Now it's a legit question to wonder why anyone thinks they will "this time".
 
I linked this to the Reddit section for the New York times and it shouldn't be behind a paywall.

It's a good article it starts off in the right direction but predictably loses its way halfway through and meanders off into apologia, pubescent rationalization and a desperate attempt not to see the realities of our political landscape such as it is today.


I don't understand what's wrong with just plain old honesty. Why can no one face it? JK Rowling ingeniously invented the mirror of Arissette for her readers.... I wonder if we could hire her to create one for us as a human race?

You have to understand that honesty means also looking in the mirror and being willing to admit that if you see ugliness looking back that's what's actually there. No it's not the silver back reflective paint being co-opted, it's not some evil spell cast on the reflection to distort it.... It's actually you! As a society we simply are not there yet.

The answers to the results of the most recent election sre so much more simple than everybody wants them to be.

Some years ago I read an interesting political analysis on the pendulum like swing of political preferences from administration to administration here in the United States.

Yes it's that simple. A lot of our voting public simply don't like to have the same thing twice in a row regardless of what it is. It's an effect on our elections.

There is a certain percentage of voters out there who think of themselves "okay Republicans had four years now it's time to give the Democrats four years"... And vice versa.

There's absolutely no science to this process and no intellectual examination that can dissect it into a better strategy next time around.

Maybe it's an indictment of our voting system in general. One gets the distinct impression that the vote should not be available to every nitwit, moron, hellgrammite, and intellectually hobbled backwards bumpkin...Ahh But that's just it! It is.

The average American is a much easier person to get along with than his political masters would have you believe. While every population of humans throughout history has always had it's good citizens, bad citizens and absolute criminal citizens.....The Majority of people by far, regardless of skin color, culture or politic are all interested in the same thing; a reasonably peacefully existence that shows mutual respect the one's neighbor who hopefully is no more than just another human being with other subcategories being completely irrelevant and unnecessary to observe.

I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that there are any universal lessons to learn here. But I can put my finger on a couple things done I think by those purporting to represent the left that probably drove the last few nails into the coffin lid this time around.

Obama's little lecture to black men I think was a catastrophe. A lot of black men don't see Obama as a true black man. I wonder if he thinks about that?

Joe Biden's garbage comment probably moved the needle a little bit but I think all it really did was unify the conservative vote. None of the people he called garbage we're going to vote for Harris anyway.

For the past 3 years the voices have been shouting from the rooftops Economy! Economy! Economy!

It's one very simple and easy to understand issue.... Pointing to all the parts of the world and trying to tell both complaining about it but they have it better than others.... is not a successful strategy. Telling a person who just had his car towed away by the repo Man that the economic data shows that we are a booming economy.... is not a successful strategy.

If there's one thing that the Democratic left excelled at this time around it was the ability to pack their ears densely full of cotton and to continue to speak up over the voices that would eventually be going to the polls.
Biden got blamed for high grocery prices

Harris became an extension of Biden

The irony is that Trump was as guilty of causing that early post Covid inflation as Biden and it’s OVER

Inflation has come down to normal

My wife is a hard hard core liberal. Even SHE is pissed about those grocery prices

She doesn’t blame Biden
/Harris but she is still pissed

Women who are not as liberal as she seemed to blame Harris


That’s pretty much it.
 
Biden got blamed for high grocery prices

Harris became an extension of Biden

The irony is that Trump was as guilty of causing that early post Covid inflation as Biden and it OVER

Inflation has come down to normal

My wife is a hard hard core liberal. Even SHE is pissed about those grocery prices

She doesn’t blame Biden
/Harris but she is still pissed

Women who are not as liberal as she seemed to blame Harris


That’s pretty much it.
Yeah there isn't any deep political dissection or analysis here. Sometimes I wonder if the results would be the same regardless if anybody campaigned or not.
 
There is a certain percentage of voters out there who think of themselves "okay Republicans had four years now it's time to give the Democrats four years"... And vice versa.

There's absolutely no science to this process and no intellectual examination that can dissect it into a better strategy next time around.

Maybe it's an indictment of our voting system in general.


It's because politicians from both sides never live up to their promises. Now it's a legit question to wonder why anyone thinks they will "this time".
How? The promises that were made are most likely impossible to keep.

That's the reason I never made any comment on them during the election season because every time I heard one enumerated I just shook my head and said: " it's not possible to do".
 
How? The promises that were made are most likely impossible to keep.

Many are so don't make them.


That's the reason I never made any comment on them during the election season because every time I heard one enumerated I just shook my head and said: " it's not possible to do".

I said the same about many of them. I will never quite understand if people really believe the promises that are clearly never going to be done or that they are just OK with lying politicians as long as theirs win.
 
The right has now posted all kinds of threads with their opinion of some kind of lesson the left learned as if this election was based on Americans supporting right wing policies. The people voted because prices were too high and they think Trump can lower them based on lies told over and over. Not because they accepted any right wing principles. So it's not about the left changing anything but the way they fight disinformation, because Trump has to lower the prices of everything, make housing affordable, end every war on earth, and stop anyone from starting any kind of conflict throughout the entire planet for the next 4 years. For this is what he said he can do.
 
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The right has now posted all kinds of threads with their opinion of some kind of lesson the left learned as if this election was based on Americans supporting right wing policies. The people voted because prices were too high and they think Trump can lower them based on lies told over and over. Not because they accepted any right wing principles. So it's not about the left changing anything but the way they fight disinformation, because Trump has to lower prices of everything, make housing affordable, end every war on earth, and stop anyone from starting any kind of conflict throughout the entire planet for the next 4 years. For this is what he said he can do.
Yep, we know, the lefties haven't learned a damn thing....which is even better for us.
 
My wife is a hard hard core liberal. Even SHE is pissed about those grocery prices

She doesn’t blame Biden
Biden didn't cause the inflation and Trump can't reverse it. That's just partisan fantasy.

Presidents take the credit and get the blame. America doesn't dive very deep.
 
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The right has now posted all kinds of threads with their opinion of some kind of lesson the left learned as if this election was based on Americans supporting right wing policies. The people voted because prices were too high and they think Trump can lower them based on lies told over and over. Not because they accepted any right wing principles. So it's not about the left changing anything but the way they fight disinformation, because Trump has to lower prices of everything, make housing affordable, end every war on earth, and stop anyone from starting any kind of conflict throughout the entire planet for the next 4 years. For this is what he said he can do.

How about the obvious?

Harris was a bad candidate.

Trump didn't get many more votes than he did in 2020.

But Harris got a lot less than Biden did, and if those people hadn't stayed home, she'd have won.

Sure, Racism and Misogyny were factors, but so were white men getting a little tired of being blamed for all the flaws in society.
 
The right has now posted all kinds of threads with their opinion of some kind of lesson the left learned as if this election was based on Americans supporting right wing policies. The people voted because prices were too high and they think Trump can lower them based on lies told over and over. Not because they accepted any right wing principles. So it's not about the left changing anything but the way they fight disinformation, because Trump has to lower the prices of everything, make housing affordable, end every war on earth, and stop anyone from starting any kind of conflict throughout the entire planet for the next 4 years. For this is what he said he can do.
Lesson? How can you learn a lesson from a bag full of cats?

Maybe the only thing we need to know is that a voting populace swings like a pendulum.
 
But Harris got a lot less than Biden did, and if those people hadn't stayed home, she'd have won.
So your explanation is that 11 million Biden-voting democrats decided that filling in a little black circle on a piece of paper, and putting that piece of paper in the mail was too much effort?

Even though failing to do that would result in literally electing Hitler and ending democracy? :icon_rolleyes:
 
So your explanation is that 11 million Biden-voting democrats decided that filling in a little black circle on a piece of paper, and putting that piece of paper in the mail was too much effort?

Even though failing to do that would result in literally electing Hitler and ending democracy? :icon_rolleyes:
Probably all the stoner Gen Z wonks............to stoned to vote.
 
Trump is a sower of chaos, not fascism. Over the next few years, a plague of disorder will descend upon America, and maybe the world, shaking everything loose.

meadow muffins Mr Opinion .....

Trump is walking into chaos the Dems created over the last few years

~S~
 
Trump is a sower of chaos, not fascism. Over the next few years, a plague of disorder will descend upon America, and maybe the world, shaking everything loose.

meadow muffins Mr Opinion .....

Trump is walking into chaos the Dems created over the last few years

~S~
Trump is walking into the presidency more powerful than any other. None had total immunity.
 
Trump is a sower of chaos, not fascism. Over the next few years, a plague of disorder will descend upon America, and maybe the world, shaking everything loose.

meadow muffins Mr Opinion .....

Trump is walking into chaos the Dems created over the last few years

~S~
Dang, not Antifa and/or BLM again. Not too sure if America has any more tolerance for that nonsense.
 
Election swings to elect folks that will keep the status quo, people are not going to swing us that far.
 
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