Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[BlindBoo]

Question: would any parent here want their child driven to school on a bus with a driver that was smoking pot 10 minutes before getting behind the wheel?

Depends on what kind of buds they were smo....... just kidding. No responsible parent would ever let their child on a bus if they knew the driver was under the infuence of any debilitating substance.

 

[GreatestIam]

Question: would any parent here want their child driven to school on a bus with a driver that was smoking pot 10 minutes before getting behind the wheel?

Are you suggesting that because it is illegal, people don't already do that?

Bus drivers have random drug screenings for this very reason. So the question does not address the legality of the substance.

No. I am suggesting that with pot being illegal, its use in the scenario I described is lower than that of alcohol. Making it legal would likely increase its use in the scenario I described. I don't personally want either case to occur, to my child or yours.

As for the random drug testing of school bus drivers, that is not a federal policy. It's local to the school district and not all do it.

Do you really think a change of law will make a pot smoker into a criminal if that pot smoker is not one now? Other than a drug user that is.
Why?
His condition will not change so what makes you suggest this?

The legal status does not control your actions now does it so why would you think it would control someone more liberal than yourself?

Regards
DL

 

[The Rabbi]

Should've never been illegal.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

Big gov't programs, gang bangers, thugs, terrorists, druglords, all absolutely love the drug war.

The thing hurt by the drug war the most, americans and the american economy.

I know what side I'm on.

Why do you think increasing drug abuse in this country is a good idea?

I would suggest reading my post before responding to it, i'll try again.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

OK so you weren't making a point at all, just sharing. Thanks. Sorry for confusing you with a sentient person.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's time to legalize pot, but it's fallacious to assume that will lower tobacco and alcohol rates as use of one doesn't exclude the other.

Of course it will not impact tobacco use, though maybe making nicotine a schedule I drug makes sense (surely more than MJ remaining on Schedule I).

I do think MJ would replace alcohol in some social settings. If legal tomorrow I'd be inclined to open a 'pub' where pot was smoked and I sold munchies (healthy munchies to be sure).

 

[GreatestIam]

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I cheered when reading Obama was backing off of medical MJ

It was lip service only. A few months later the justice dept started raiding dispensaries across the nation.

While leaving California alone whose largest cash crop for what, the last 50 years has been pot.

The biggest pusher in the U S is the U S government.

Regards
DL

 

[Robert_Stephens]

Answering to the OP directly, no it is not. None of it should be legal. Here's why in my own opinion;

I smoke and love it and its wonderful and I am 59 and no errors as of yet. I have never used drugs and do not drink, ever. Never developed a taste for it, as most males in our culture here in the USA love beer at least, though I cook with it with my myriad of Mexican recipes.

Down home in the Yucatan, tobacco is organic and I get it from there and have it shipped to me here in NM, and it is just cut and cured from the fields and then sold in bulk at the local vendor level, ASAP. It's cheap and delicious. Drugs there are a non issue. Beer is a mainstay there for cooking and is also organic. If you type in to find out any incidences of abuse for same, drugs, et al, there is little to none.

Drugs and alcohol abuse and obesity is an American problem per se.

Just some other input along with the American issue with same.

Robert

 

[BlindBoo]

So now we want stoned people texting and driving while eating a big mac?

Well only if you have an open container in the car!

 

[GreatestIam]

Of course they did. They will sell it back onto the street for money. That's what it is really all about. Money. At this point, the hardcore growers and dealers would prefer it remain illegal as there is much more money in it on the black market than in the corner stores and dispensories.

Hilarious, really.

That is true and many on the govt side make their living from fighting the illegal MJ trade/growing.

100 billion or so a year worth of jobs and such.

Same thing with kiddie porn and other illegal activities.

Kiddie porn has victims.
Pot does not, except.

The victim of pot use is the non smoking citizen who actually funds the drug war while knowing that a war of prohibition has never been won if the people are not on board with it. With pot, most people are definitely not on board and will never get on board while pot continues to be the better option than tobacco and alcohol.

Regards
DL

 

[BlindBoo]

Should've never been illegal.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

Big gov't programs, gang bangers, thugs, terrorists, druglords, all absolutely love the drug war.

The thing hurt by the drug war the most, americans and the american economy.

I know what side I'm on.

You're right. I graduated HS in 77. Not much has changed. It's was available in every school, every neighborhood, every appartment complex and from what the kids say these days it still is.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Why do you think increasing drug abuse in this country is a good idea?

I would suggest reading my post before responding to it, i'll try again.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

OK so you weren't making a point at all, just sharing. Thanks. Sorry for confusing you with a sentient person.

You fit perfectly into the block of people who have absolutely no clue what's going on in the real world.

Getting drugs in a regulated environment where ID's are checked, limits can be put on what's sold, and money goes into the american economy. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting drugs from gang banger, who got his drugs from a terrorist, who got his drugs from a drug lord. YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BlindBoo]

Answering to the OP directly, no it is not. None of it should be legal. Here's why in my own opinion;

I smoke and love it and its wonderful and I am 59 and no errors as of yet. I have never used drugs and do not drink, ever. Never developed a taste for it, as most males in our culture here in the USA love beer at least, though I cook with it with my myriad of Mexican recipes.

Down home in the Yucatan, tobacco is organic and I get it from there and have it shipped to me here in NM, and it is just cut and cured from the fields and then sold in bulk at the local vendor level, ASAP. It's cheap and delicious. Drugs there are a non issue. Beer is a mainstay there for cooking and is also organic. If you type in to find out any incidences of abuse for same, drugs, et al, there is little to none.

Drugs and alcohol abuse and obesity is an American problem per se.

Just some other input along with the American issue with same.

Robert

You claim to not do drugs? What do you think tobacco is anyway?

 

[Katzndogz]

legalizing pot will have ZERO effect on tobacco and alcohol use.

Then why did those two lobbies sink millions into a vote against a change in law?

Regards
DL

A few questions I would like to ask of potheads.

Do you use pot yourself?
If you do not use pot yourself, do you think that pot users don't drink?
If you use pot yourself, do you and your pot using friends also drink. Such as have a few beers while you're smoking?

Drug use is not either or. It is normally both, simultaneously.

 

[Robert_Stephens]

You claim to not do drugs? What do you think tobacco is anyway?

Organic tobacco such as what I get and smoke from the Yucatan is akin to a glass of wine or orange juice. It is a requirement for good health.

Hope that is helpful.

Robert

 

[Katzndogz]

Answering to the OP directly, no it is not. None of it should be legal. Here's why in my own opinion;

I smoke and love it and its wonderful and I am 59 and no errors as of yet. I have never used drugs and do not drink, ever. Never developed a taste for it, as most males in our culture here in the USA love beer at least, though I cook with it with my myriad of Mexican recipes.

Down home in the Yucatan, tobacco is organic and I get it from there and have it shipped to me here in NM, and it is just cut and cured from the fields and then sold in bulk at the local vendor level, ASAP. It's cheap and delicious. Drugs there are a non issue. Beer is a mainstay there for cooking and is also organic. If you type in to find out any incidences of abuse for same, drugs, et al, there is little to none.

Drugs and alcohol abuse and obesity is an American problem per se.

Just some other input along with the American issue with same.

Robert

You claim to not do drugs? What do you think tobacco is anyway?

Has anyone ever gotten into a car accident when the one for the road was a Marlboro?

Can you have a cigarette and then fly a plane? Can you get high on pot and fly a plane?

 

[Dr.Drock]

Should've never been illegal.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

Big gov't programs, gang bangers, thugs, terrorists, druglords, all absolutely love the drug war.

The thing hurt by the drug war the most, americans and the american economy.

I know what side I'm on.

You're right. I graduated HS in 77. Not much has changed. It's was available in every school, every neighborhood, every appartment complex and from what the kids say these days it still is.

Yeah i'll never understand ppl who use the availability argument. It's the exact opposite of reality.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Answering to the OP directly, no it is not. None of it should be legal. Here's why in my own opinion;

I smoke and love it and its wonderful and I am 59 and no errors as of yet. I have never used drugs and do not drink, ever. Never developed a taste for it, as most males in our culture here in the USA love beer at least, though I cook with it with my myriad of Mexican recipes.

Down home in the Yucatan, tobacco is organic and I get it from there and have it shipped to me here in NM, and it is just cut and cured from the fields and then sold in bulk at the local vendor level, ASAP. It's cheap and delicious. Drugs there are a non issue. Beer is a mainstay there for cooking and is also organic. If you type in to find out any incidences of abuse for same, drugs, et al, there is little to none.

Drugs and alcohol abuse and obesity is an American problem per se.

Just some other input along with the American issue with same.

Robert

Typical Western-"outlaw"; WAY TOO HEAVY into "quality of Life"!!! (...for most "conservatives")

Ex-Coloradan (21 years), Here

 

[Dr.Drock]

Answering to the OP directly, no it is not. None of it should be legal. Here's why in my own opinion;

I smoke and love it and its wonderful and I am 59 and no errors as of yet. I have never used drugs and do not drink, ever. Never developed a taste for it, as most males in our culture here in the USA love beer at least, though I cook with it with my myriad of Mexican recipes.

Down home in the Yucatan, tobacco is organic and I get it from there and have it shipped to me here in NM, and it is just cut and cured from the fields and then sold in bulk at the local vendor level, ASAP. It's cheap and delicious. Drugs there are a non issue. Beer is a mainstay there for cooking and is also organic. If you type in to find out any incidences of abuse for same, drugs, et al, there is little to none.

Drugs and alcohol abuse and obesity is an American problem per se.

Just some other input along with the American issue with same.

Robert

You claim to not do drugs? What do you think tobacco is anyway?

Has anyone ever gotten into a car accident when the one for the road was a Marlboro?

Can you have a cigarette and then fly a plane? Can you get high on pot and fly a plane?

So it's safe to say that you also want to bring prohibition back? Since you can't fly or drive after drinking, might as well make all alcohol illegal.

Let's put government over personal responsibility, then after we do that, pretend we're still conservative. It's my favorite game!

 

[The Rabbi]

I would suggest reading my post before responding to it, i'll try again.

I graduated high school in '03, and marijuana was 100 times easier to get than alcohol. So all these old bags who say "Nooooooo don't legalize it, think of the children, THE CHILDREN!!!" just aren't in touch whatsoever with reality. Hell I bet coke was easier to get than alcohol (I've never done coke or weed.

OK so you weren't making a point at all, just sharing. Thanks. Sorry for confusing you with a sentient person.

You fit perfectly into the block of people who have absolutely no clue what's going on in the real world.

Getting drugs in a regulated environment where ID's are checked, limits can be put on what's sold, and money goes into the american economy. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting drugs from gang banger, who got his drugs from a terrorist, who got his drugs from a drug lord. YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because underage kids have no access to alcohol, or anyone else has no access to prescription narcotics?
Talk about no clue.

 

[The Rabbi]

You claim to not do drugs? What do you think tobacco is anyway?

Has anyone ever gotten into a car accident when the one for the road was a Marlboro?

Can you have a cigarette and then fly a plane? Can you get high on pot and fly a plane?

So it's safe to say that you also want to bring prohibition back? Since you can't fly or drive after drinking, might as well make all alcohol illegal.

Let's put government over personal responsibility, then after we do that, pretend we're still conservative. It's my favorite game!

Typical narco-libertarian deflection.

 

[Dr.Drock]

OK so you weren't making a point at all, just sharing. Thanks. Sorry for confusing you with a sentient person.

You fit perfectly into the block of people who have absolutely no clue what's going on in the real world.

Getting drugs in a regulated environment where ID's are checked, limits can be put on what's sold, and money goes into the american economy. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Getting drugs from gang banger, who got his drugs from a terrorist, who got his drugs from a drug lord. YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because underage kids have no access to alcohol, or anyone else has no access to prescription narcotics?
Talk about no clue.

Ask any kid, middle school age or high school age, what's easier to get, weed or alcohol?

Might be a nice reality check for you.