Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[BluesLegend]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

AHAHAHA it would be guaranteed? Who's paying for this liberal pipe dream the tooth fairy? Liberals live in a vacuum where their dumb ass ideas don't have any negative consequences.

 

[francoHFW]

And it ain't getting better with more Giant tax cuts for the rich and giant corporations and crappy minimum wage jobs....
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

WTF is wrong with you?
We were discussing free college and here comes your retarded ass

Breaking for s*** head dupes: a flat tax system is fantastic for the rich and screws the rest like you and your family and friends and acquaintances d u h.

How do you figure? Everyone pays 25%. The rich will pay much more than you or I. Right?

It's a stupid experiment and it does not work.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

So pretty much the 'rich' are evil is that what you are saying?

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

This sounds like the typical half bake stupid shit liberal nonsense. Your socialized healthcare pipe dream depends on whether doctors and those working in the healthcare industry would be willing to accept much less money for their services which they will not, its ******* retarded.

Rich Republicans absolutely suck greedy lying brainwashing idiot racist assholes
... Democrat Rich are just fine, brainwashed functional idiot

 

[Hum Dinger]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

So? "BernieCare" is one approach. There are lot's of different way of structuring socialized healthcare.

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Berniecare is somewhat popular because he's calling for extending medicare to everyone. Medicare is something that Americans know and are not fearful of.

That doesn't mean that it's the best possible plan, it just means that it's the one that's most likely to get adopted.

 

[francoHFW]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

AHAHAHA it would be guaranteed? Who's paying for this liberal pipe dream the tooth fairy? Liberals live in a vacuum where their dumb ass ideas don't have any negative consequences.

It already exists in blue States with expanded medicaid, dumbass.

 

[BluesLegend]

WTF is wrong with you?
We were discussing free college and here comes your retarded ass

Breaking for s*** head dupes: a flat tax system is fantastic for the rich and screws the rest like you and your family and friends and acquaintances d u h.

How do you figure? Everyone pays 25%. The rich will pay much more than you or I. Right?

It's a stupid experiment and it does not work.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

So pretty much the 'rich' are evil is that what you are saying?

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

This sounds like the typical half bake stupid shit liberal nonsense. Your socialized healthcare pipe dream depends on whether doctors and those working in the healthcare industry would be willing to accept much less money for their services which they will not, its ******* retarded.

Rich Republicans absolutely suck greedy lying brainwashing idiot racist assholes
... Democrat Rich are just fine, brainwashed functional idiot

Fine go get rich Dem's to pay for it, go live your socialized dream nobody is stopping you.

 

[dblack]

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Because they don't want medicine to be 'socialized'. Is that so hard to grasp?

 

[BluesLegend]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

AHAHAHA it would be guaranteed? Who's paying for this liberal pipe dream the tooth fairy? Liberals live in a vacuum where their dumb ass ideas don't have any negative consequences.

It already exists in blue States with expanded medicaid, dumbass.

Fantastic all you libs move to those blue states and live the dream.

 

[francoHFW]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

I was obviously referring to $$$
Are you even capable of staying on topic?

The CBO doesn't recognize future savings. They have no imagination at all. Get it?

 

[TNHarley]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

So? "BernieCare" is one approach. There are lot's of different way of structuring socialized healthcare.

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Berniecare is somewhat popular because he's calling for extending medicare to everyone. Medicare is something that Americans know and are not fearful of.

That doesn't mean that it's the best possible plan, it just means that it's the one that's most likely to get adopted.

I just took it as restructuring terms so it stoped fear mongering people.
Like calling socialism democratic socialism

 

[WillowTree]

Who gives a shit? Nobody is being forced to take care of other people.
Goddamn, can you ******* hacks EVER be satisfied?

As our country just continues to get worse and worse, stupid. Change the channel.

WTF are you about, you senile old goat?

And it ain't getting better with more Giant tax cuts for the rich and giant corporations and crappy minimum wage jobs....
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

This is greed! You want what other’s have worked for. Get off your ass and go earn your own.

Wasn't it your President Bush that said "Americans are the hardest working people in the world."

We are earning our own and then some. We just haven't been getting paid on par with what we earn.

What dew ewe think ewe should earn?

 

[TNHarley]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

I was obviously referring to $$$
Are you even capable of staying on topic?

The CBO doesn't recognize future savings. They have no imagination at all. Get it?

Ahhh.
CBO helped hang the obamacare plaque up on the wall. I bet 100 bucks you supported it back then!

 

[g5000]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

AHAHAHA it would be guaranteed? Who's paying for this liberal pipe dream the tooth fairy? Liberals live in a vacuum where their dumb ass ideas don't have any negative consequences.

I guess you don't get off the Fox News reservation much. There are plenty of countries which have universal health care. So it isn't a pipe dream.

Soon after Trump proposes UHC, you will probably be one of the first ones to cheer him.

 

[Hum Dinger]

And it ain't getting better with more Giant tax cuts for the rich and giant corporations and crappy minimum wage jobs....
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

WTF is wrong with you?
We were discussing free college and here comes your retarded ass

Breaking for s*** head dupes: a flat tax system is fantastic for the rich and screws the rest like you and your family and friends and acquaintances d u h.

How do you figure? Everyone pays 25%. The rich will pay much more than you or I. Right?

It's a stupid experiment and it does not work.
Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

So pretty much the 'rich' are evil is that what you are saying?

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

This sounds like the typical half bake stupid shit liberal nonsense. Your socialized healthcare pipe dream depends on whether doctors and those working in the healthcare industry would be willing to accept much less money for their services which they will not, its ******* retarded.

Under socialized healthcare their salaries would be determined by the system. If they didn't like it, too bad. If they want have a license to practice then they better accept what the system gives them.

However, there is no doubt that under a socialized healthcare system, doctor would be well paid. Not as well as they are now, but by the standards of everybody else they would be top earners.

If healthcare is so bad for doctors, then why hasn't there been a mass migration of doctors from socialized countries to the U.S.?

Maybe because doctors in these countries become doctors because they want to help people and not because their a bunch of whores like we have in this country.

 

[francoHFW]

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Because they don't want medicine to be 'socialized'. Is that so hard to grasp?

If you are a brainwashed functional moron who thinks socialized means communist and you enjoy screwing yourself and everyone you know...
.

 

[BluesLegend]

Okay fine universal healthcare but government and politicians can't touch it, they have zero control over it and can't touch the money, deal? No I didn't think so.

 

[TNHarley]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

Except everyone would have Healthcare and it would be guaranteed idiot....

AHAHAHA it would be guaranteed? Who's paying for this liberal pipe dream the tooth fairy? Liberals live in a vacuum where their dumb ass ideas don't have any negative consequences.

I guess you don't get off the Fox News reservation much. There are plenty of countries which have universal health care. So it isn't a pipe dream.

It doesnt seem intellectually honest to compare them with America without considering all the details.
Would you like to do that?

 

[dblack]

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Because they don't want medicine to be 'socialized'. Is that so hard to grasp?

If you are a brainwashed functional moron who thinks socialized means communist and you enjoy screwing yourself and everyone you know...
.

Yes, yes... hater dupe, yada, yada...

 

[francoHFW]

Universal healthcare, sure but don't ask me to pay YOUR share of the cost. I tell you what, add up the total cost and divide it evenly by every man, woman, and child in America THEN ask them if they are willing to pay their share. Here I'll save you the time, the answer will be **** no!

The reduction in costs of healthcare would more than make it profitable for everyone. If if that were calculated into your equation, the answer would be "**** yes"!

Besides haven't you realized that for the vast majority of Americans (like 99%), the Healthcare Industry will eventually take 100% of your wealth - unless you die suddenly.

You apparently have no experience with what happens towards end of life - the healthcare industry milks everyone for every cent they have. Then when you run out of funds they pretty much discard you and let you die.

There is no doubt that fully socialized healthcare will save everyone huge amounts of money. That's the whole point of socialized healthcare.

Your discompassion for your fellow Americans is blinding to to your own best interests. Try hating a bit less!

According to CBO estimates of berniecare and what we pay now, the reduction is miniscule...

So? "BernieCare" is one approach. There are lot's of different way of structuring socialized healthcare.

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Berniecare is somewhat popular because he's calling for extending medicare to everyone. Medicare is something that Americans know and are not fearful of.

That doesn't mean that it's the best possible plan, it just means that it's the one that's most likely to get adopted.

I just took it as restructuring terms so it stoped fear mongering people.
Like calling socialism democratic socialism

Which is what socialism always is outside your bubble of fear mongered garbage, super duper.

 

[francoHFW]

As I said earlier, No one seems to want to really study all the different forms of socialized healthcare to come up with a plan that will work for us.

Because they don't want medicine to be 'socialized'. Is that so hard to grasp?

If you are a brainwashed functional moron who thinks socialized means communist and you enjoy screwing yourself and everyone you know...
.

Yes, yes... hater dupe, yada, yada...

Yep, let poor people and blacks just die. LOL

 

[dblack]

Under socialized healthcare their salaries would be determined by the system. If they didn't like it, too bad. If they want have a license to practice then they better accept what the system gives them.

Right. This is exactly the kind of authoritarian bullying that lies at the heart of your ******* "compassion".