Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[francoHFW]

regulation is socialism... hmmm..

Bernie needs to go back to school so he can learn the difference between "free" and "costs trillions of dollars".

This is usually taught in the first grade. He can start there. Next, he can read up on the nation called "America", and what it means to be an "American".

We had free college a lot of places before Ronnie Ray Gun ended it in in California.

Yeah, Reagan had nothing to do with it...dumbass.
CALIFORNIA WEIGHS END OF FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION

Your link says he tried like hell to add tuition but had to settle for huge registration fees. He started the idea and his disciples finished it all over the country. D u h.

Really, it also says he lost the battle to lobbyists....WTF you only read every third or fourth word?

It says that, and then it says he did get huge registration fees. Duh.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

Why should you be paid to have a child?

Oh, and by the way, punctuation is your friend.

 

[francoHFW]

Single payer health care must have rationing in order to exist.

I definitely understand this point. But, with my current blue cross HMO plan, it takes months to see a specialist, the specialist has to be in the HMO, or it takes an act of god to get it approved. I just don't know if many people are actually in a better position with these typical HMO plans than a Universal one.

Think about it, take your current system and add 30 million people with the same number of hospitals and providers. I kind think the rationing you're talking about would get a whole lot worse. Now throw in the fact that the UHC plans call for big-time cuts in payment to those providers and hospitals, which means fewer providers and systems down the road plus fewer innovations in drugs and protocols. It sounds like such a good idea but it cannot work unless you incorporate a VAT tax of around 25%, which is how those social democratic countries pay for their UHC. I don't think many people are going to support that.

Considering the fact that hour Health costs are 18% of GDP and nowhere else has over 12%, we may not need the v a t... If we regulate costs.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to establish centralized authority over the key necessities. Only then can Nirvana be truly realized.

It's for your own good.

 

[francoHFW]

Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

Why should you be paid to have a child?

Oh, and by the way, punctuation is your friend.

Screw commas half the time it thinks I say karma... That list you should be acquainted with...

 

[francoHFW]

Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

Why should you be paid to have a child?

Oh, and by the way, punctuation is your friend.

So we don't have so many whack jobs... Every other country but New Guinea has it LOL

 

[mikegriffith1]

Here's how: Treat health insurance much like we treat life insurance and to a lesser degree car insurance. Subsidize health insurance for the very poor, and let everyone else buy whatever health insurance they want and can afford. Do NOT mandate that people buy health insurance. The government has no right to force people to buy a product for their body. And do NOT let the government start mandating coverage levels. That was one of Obamacare's biggest flaws and was the reason that so many people lost their health insurance under Obamacare (including my oldest son).

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Here's how: Treat health insurance much like we treat life insurance and to a lesser degree car insurance. Subsidize health insurance for the very poor, and let everyone else buy whatever health insurance they want and can afford. Do NOT mandate that people buy health insurance. The government has no right to force people to buy a product for their body. And do NOT let the government start mandating coverage levels. That was one of Obamacare's biggest flaws and was the reason that so many people lost their health insurance under Obamacare (including my oldest son).

And me

 

[Fang]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

I'm a Trump supporter. Honestly, I don't know what the answer is to healthcare. I don't think either party has it right. But I do believe anyone who is sick or in need of medical attention should not be denied, and they shouldn't be required to work 80 hours a week the rest of their lives to pay for bills they'll never be able to afford. The real issue is of course the lazy asses that don't work.

 

[Claudette]

Who in their right mind wants the Govt. handling health care for 300 million Americans??

Not me. All you have to do is look how well the VA is run to get an idea of Govt. running anything.

It will turn in to mountains of red tape, paperwork and long waits.

Nope. The Govt. has no business in health care.

 

[skews13]

The main thing is to establish centralized authority over the key necessities. Only then can Nirvana be truly realized.

It's for your own good.

Yes, we could copy how the private insurance companies do it.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to establish centralized authority over the key necessities. Only then can Nirvana be truly realized.

It's for your own good.

Yes, we could copy how the private insurance companies do it.

Except our insurance 'agents' would carry guns. And wouldn't take 'no' for an answer.

 

[Seawytch]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Yes it is time and yes we can. We are one of the wealthiest nations in the world. That we don't provide our populace basic universal healthcare is a moral outrage.

And insurance companies don't even have to go away. They can sell supplemental plans for the basic, universally provided healthcare.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

How would we prevent the unacceptable and outrageous waiting lines like Canada has??

 

[Toro]

How would we prevent the unacceptable and outrageous waiting lines like Canada has??

The waiting lines are for elective stuff. My mother waited for months to get a knee replaced. If you have a serious condition, you get in pretty quickly. When my father was diagnosed with melanoma, he was treated within days.

FYI it takes me six months to get my teeth cleaned in America. It can take a couple of weeks to get a cavity filled. It takes me 2-3 months to book my annual physical with my doctor. So there are lines in America, too.

The problem in Canada is that there is no cutting edge treatments because the government won't pay for it. There is also rationing for things like MRI machines. There's a waiting list to get a GP where my parents live.

OTOH, when my wife was up in Canada with our infant son many years ago, she took him to the hospital for a cold. It cost her $29. Not a $29 co-pay. $29, total.

As an upper middle-class person living in America, I'd rather be in the American system because I can pay for it. But if I were a lower middle-class person, I'd rather be in the Canadian system. If I lost my job and my money, I'd move back to Canada in a heartbeat.

 

[Seawytch]

How would we prevent the unacceptable and outrageous waiting lines like Canada has??

Maybe some public/private partnerships? Businesses should support this because they don't have to pay for insurance for their employees so instead they build a hospital or some urgent care clinics. We put men on the moon, this should be doable.

 

[dblack]

Dr. Trump will see you now.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

How would we prevent the unacceptable and outrageous waiting lines like Canada has??

Maybe some public/private partnerships? Businesses should support this because they don't have to pay for insurance for their employees so instead they build a hospital or some urgent care clinics. We put men on the moon, this should be doable.

Sorry but no, without businesses paying a tax in lieu of paying for employee coverage the system would never work

 

[there4eyeM]

The "fromers" are the people, the "toers" are the insurance companies.

 

[dblack]

How would we prevent the unacceptable and outrageous waiting lines like Canada has??

Maybe some public/private partnerships? Businesses should support this because they don't have to pay for insurance for their employees so instead they build a hospital or some urgent care clinics. We put men on the moon, this should be doable.

Sorry but no, without businesses paying a tax in lieu of paying for employee coverage the system would never work

But when the glorious revolution happens we'll pay taxes in lieu of everything! No more pesky consumer decisions to make!