Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[debbiedowner]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

You can't be a conservative.
A conservative would know that government health care isn't cheap or free from abuse.

Government health care is the lowest quality health care in America.

You would also know that anything the government touches is highly regulated, overpriced, and there's usually a line of people in front of you that didn't pay into it.

Then what is the answer?
At the rate we are going, healthcare cost will become a full third of the GDP and your insurance cost will be the largest monthly bill you have.'
That is where we are now.
And that is not the answer either.

Ask any doctor what the answer is.
Most will tell you getting the government out of health care would go a long way toward solving the problem. Doctors spend more time filling out forms on their computers than the spend with their patients

Then there's the skyrocketing costs.
Rand Paul knows the answer. Create private health care associations that spread out the costs.

Rand Paul's reform proposal could revolutionize US health care

Think you better check and stay up with what's happening Trump already took care of the health care association's, starts September 1st if any health insurance company is going bite or organization's for that matter.

 

[Meister]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

 

[debbiedowner]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

 

[Thinker101]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

 

[Cellblock2429]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

/----/ When sworn in as president, Barack Obozo, who had no practical experience except as a community organizer, instantly became an expert on healthcare and knew more than people who spent decades in the industry. Simply amazing.

 

[Meister]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

/----/ When sworn in as president, Barack Obozo, who had no practical experience except as a community organizer, instantly became an expert on healthcare and knew more than people who spent decades in the industry. Simply amazing.
View attachment 207848

Yeah except he had nothing to do with Obamacare. It carries his name, but he had virtually zero input.
He was a failure. Why? Because he took the healthcare promises HE RAN ON...and simply handed it over to a thoroughly corrupt, inept organization that does not possess the will to lead. We call it the legislative branch.
And therefore, we got a disastrous plan that increased cost while doing little to address the problems.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

You people crave for socialism, and I'm willing to help you guys attain your dream. My offer goes to you, also, Debra.

Except we are talking about other developed countries which are all socialist, not some third world s*******, brainwashed functional moron. What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

 

[debbiedowner]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

So another one. Please show me one post in this thread I am all for universal health care. Go ahead I'll wait.

 

[francoHFW]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

/----/ When sworn in as president, Barack Obozo, who had no practical experience except as a community organizer, instantly became an expert on healthcare and knew more than people who spent decades in the industry. Simply amazing.
View attachment 207848

Yeah except he had nothing to do with Obamacare. It carries his name, but he had virtually zero input.
He was a failure. Why? Because he took the healthcare promises HE RAN ON...and simply handed it over to a thoroughly corrupt, inept organization that does not possess the will to lead. We call it the legislative branch.
And therefore, we got a disastrous plan that increased cost while doing little to address the problems.

Those are the actual ridiculous costs of Health Care after no regulation For 50 years... Going back to the deadly GOP scam non-system is idiocy, For doops only

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Yeah, only to offset you idiots claiming socialism is the promise land.

Always democratic, fair capitalism with a good safety net for the unfortunate, super duper. None of your brainwashed fear-mongering and Hate, thanks, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[skews13]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

 

[dblack]

What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

It's because the US is a diverse nation, and we have different opinions. Some of us want good vacations, but some of us would rather put that money into retirement. Some of us want to go to college, some of is don't. There's no need to commit everyone to one set of preferences with government policy. We prefer the freedom to decide for ourselves.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Unfortunately, the socialist concept of universal health care adheres to the "from each, to each" concept. You say you and you wife have paid so much into the system? Obviously you are a "from-er". In reality, you are already footing the bill for many "to-ers".

I would sincerely like to offer you a one way all expense paid airline ticket to Venezuela, I say this with all sincerity.

I see another idiot pops into the thread about Venezuela when the OP was nothing about Venezuela.

Venezuela is how you know a right winger is losing an argument.

That's all they have, brainwashed bumper sticker idiocy...

 

[skews13]

One of the biggest problems in creating any kind of government system in the US, is that we need competent intelligent people to create it. Unfortunately, to become a legislator in our system, you just need to be rich and power hungry. You could have the common sense of a turnip.

/----/ When sworn in as president, Barack Obozo, who had no practical experience except as a community organizer, instantly became an expert on healthcare and knew more than people who spent decades in the industry. Simply amazing.
View attachment 207848

Yeah except he had nothing to do with Obamacare. It carries his name, but he had virtually zero input.
He was a failure. Why? Because he took the healthcare promises HE RAN ON...and simply handed it over to a thoroughly corrupt, inept organization that does not possess the will to lead. We call it the legislative branch.
And therefore, we got a disastrous plan that increased cost while doing little to address the problems.

When you're in the pockets of private interests against your own government, that's the usual outcome.

 

[Flash]

If we had universal health care it would be just like in Canada and other socialists countries.

Everybody with a job would be paying for it and the welfare queens would be getting it for free.

The people that could afford it would be getting private health care because the government health care would suck.

 

[francoHFW]

What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

It's because the US is a diverse nation, and we have different opinions. Some of us want good vacations, but some of us would rather put that money into retirement. Some of us want to go to college, some of is don't. There's no need to commit everyone to one set of preferences with government policy. We prefer the freedom to decide for ourselves.

You have the freedom to follow up idiotic giveaways to the rich with cuts in services to your family and friends and making it harder than ever to succeed. That's how GOP tax rates and policies have wrecked the middle class and the country the last 35 years and given us the worst inequality ever and the worst upward Mobility ever. Great job brainwashed functional moron...

 

[francoHFW]

If we had universal health care it would be just like in Canada and other socialists countries.

Everybody with a job would be paying for it and the welfare queens would be getting it for free.

The people that could afford it would be getting private health care because the government health care would suck.

You get those black welfare Queens, brainwashed functional a******...

 

[dblack]

What is your problem with a living wage Healthcare daycare good vacations cheap college and training and good infrastructure? Why are we the only modern country without all that? All because of the scumbag greedy idiot billionaire GOP and silly Dupes like you....

It's because the US is a diverse nation, and we have different opinions. Some of us want good vacations, but some of us would rather put that money into retirement. Some of us want to go to college, some of is don't. There's no need to commit everyone to one set of preferences with government policy. We prefer the freedom to decide for ourselves.

You have the freedom to follow up idiotic giveaways to the rich with cuts in services to your family and friends and making it harder than ever to succeed. That's how GOP tax rates and policies have wrecked the middle class and the country the last 35 years and given us the worst inequality ever and the worst upward Mobility ever. Great job brainwashed functional moron...

Feel better? I'm not really sure what you're going on about here, but sometimes it's good to vent.

 

[francoHFW]

If we had universal health care it would be just like in Canada and other socialists countries.

Everybody with a job would be paying for it and the welfare queens would be getting it for free.

The people that could afford it would be getting private health care because the government health care would suck.

No one wants government Healthcare s*******, it's just about how Healthcare is paid for. The amount of absolute crap you take as fact is amazing... 30 States already have the Obamacare system and there is no such crap going on, idiot.