Zone1 Is it the "New Covenant"? "Old Covenant"? Or,.... The "Renewed Covenant"?

[Hafar1014]

they fought their antagonist in many cases religious zealots in alliance with despotic autocrats much the same as presently throughout the middle east who persecute and victimize the innocent in many cases atheists.

there has never been a despotic period throughout history that has not been lead by one or the other desert religion.

Communism isnt a desert religion

 

[ding]

Judging by your hysterical responses that followed this silliness it seems that you are coming undone. Was it something that I said?

But don’t worry, dingbot, I have uploaded directly into your brain an anti-malware program. So don’t be upset as the worm of conscience does its thing. Don’t be such a crybaby.

You cannot escape the hand of my God in this world or the next. That’s a fact.

The more you fight accepting Logos, Divine reasoning, the truth, the more YOU will descend into the abyss.

Hysterical responses? Quite the opposite. My responses surgically and methodically destroyed your shoot from the hip wrong beliefs such that you are now making a hysterical response devoid of any rebuttal.

 

[ding]

Indeed.

I think that's fair to say, yes.

Losing objectivity is a lot like eating an elephant, one bite at a time. Normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises.

 

[ding]

I am a typically sympathetic Agnostic and I understand that when someone is drowning they don’t first evaluate the character of the person who offers them a life saver before accepting it. I do, however, despise those who offer a faulty one. So, in my opinion:

Judaism = a swell-meaning life saver

Christianity = a faulty one

You are no agnostic, sympathetic or otherwise. Is it possible that you are a British Muslim sympathizer, who fancies himself as some sort of sleuth? How was that for deductive reasoning?

I find your post most ironic considering the company you are keeping while not drowning.

 

[ding]

Not possible. The Covenant is between God and Man, not with any of the thousands of prophets. This is obvious.

Is that something an agnostic would say?

 

[BreezeWood]

I think I see a pattern here.

that's when you crucify jesus who was among those in the 1st century that led the heavenly inquisition against judaism's false heavenly personifications, madeup commandments et al to claim their own duplicitous agenda using their victim, jesus as their foil and false justification to persecute and victimize the innocent themselves as so called christians.

communism is no different an ism as any of the others, judaism, catholicism, socialism - and is the atheistic approach than those with madeup supernatural personifications used for the same purposes to guide societies in a purposeful manner.

the phony desert religions were handed back their own corruption they deserved to be punished for.

 

[BreezeWood]

God promised that He would make a New Covenant with man.

why as a christian do you say that ... the judaism inquisition, 0ce - 70ce the fall of their temple predicated by jesus is not even in your 4th century bible.

why then a new covenant would include either the liars abraham or moses or the false commandments and religion of apartheid those two stood for are included in the christian bible.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus Christ signed a New Covenant

Not possible. The Covenant is between God and Man, not with any of the thousands of prophets. This is obvious.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

You just proved my point. GOD made a Covenant with Man (Humanity). Jesus Christ has NOTHING to do with it.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You just proved my point. GOD made a Covenant with Man (Humanity). Jesus Christ has NOTHING to do with it.

Jesus Christ IS God. He appeared in the Old Testament. Also, the Old Testament testifies of His future arrival as a Son born of a virgin.

Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

Jesus is God:

John 1:1 & 14, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Jesus is the Creator:

Colossians 1:16-17, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

 

[SaxonJackson]

why as a christian do you say that ... the judaism inquisition, 0ce - 70ce the fall of their temple predicated by jesus is not even in your 4th century bible.

why then a new covenant would include either the liars abraham or moses or the false commandments and religion of apartheid those two stood for are included in the christian bible.

I believe you are confusing modern Ashkenazi Jews with biblical Judah. Note that God's promise of a "New Covenant" is made with two groups: "The House of Israel," and "The House of Judah."

There are 12 tribes. At one point in history, they divided. The 10 northern tribes of Israel were in conflict with the 2 southern tribes of Judah (Judah & Benjamin).

Most modern Christians have zero idea of the historical significance of this divide and the historical significance of their capture by the Assyrians. Some even believe that the Assyrians only captured the 10 northern tribes but, in truth, they captured a huge portion of the 2 southern tribes as well. The only section of Judah that remained were the ones within the walls of three, fenced cities.

Anyway, the Assyrians moved all 12 tribes northward off of their lands in the areas of what we know as Iraq & Iran. Eventually, these captives moved northward over the Caucasus Mountains (Caucasians) and through Spain onto the continent of Europe. It's why the Apostles visited Greece and Rome.

Most modern Christians believe that all twelve Tribes of Israel are "Jews." This is one of the most blatantly false doctrines floating around most modern churches. It's a total and complete misnomer.

James 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

Also read Revelation chapter 7 where all 12 tribes are named. They are NOT all "Jews."

Modern "Jews" (at least the Zionist leadership in modern Israel) are made up of Ashkenazi Khazars. The Khazar (or Chazar) Kingdom converted to Judaism in the 7th & 8th Centuries, A.D. They are not related to biblical Israel.

Revelation 2:9, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
Revelation 3:9, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Modern "Jews" are NOT "God's chosen people." Total false doctrine.

 

[GLASNOST]

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. .

You just proved my point. GOD made a Covenant with Man (Humanity). Jesus Christ has NOTHING to do with it.

Jesus Christ IS God.

You just blasphemed the Creator of Heaven and Earth. Making an offense against the FIRST COMMANDMENT is a huge sin. My advice to you is to respect God and follow his commandments. If you are not a Jew then you only need to follow the first TEN COMMANDMENTS but YOU HAVE FAILED so it's probably a good idea that you stop pretending you believe in the Creator.

 

[norwegen]

Jesus Christ signed a New Covenant with His very blood. A better, faultless Covenant.

Hebrews 8:6-13, "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

The Old Covenant put the burden on humans to keep the law perfectly. That was and is impossible since humans are horribly flawed and wholly incapable of "keeping the law." The New Covenant removes a heavy burden from mankind in that Christ's blood pays for our sins and iniquities. Through faith in Christ and repentance of our sins, we are forgiven and saved.

Good post, but I amended your last paragraph for more accuracy.

The Old Covenant put the burden on Jews to keep the law perfectly. That was and is impossible since Jews were horribly flawed and wholly incapable of "keeping the law." The New Covenant cancels previous covenants for breach of covenant. Christ's blood pays for our sins and iniquities. Through faith in Christ and repentance of our sins (Jews' sins, initially), we are forgiven and saved.​

The Bible was written by, for, and about Israel (Jews, mostly). Other people had their own customs and covenants. They had their own pantheons and traditions. They were foreigners to Judaism and were not included in their narrative except as outsiders.

 

[ding]

that's when you crucify jesus who was among those in the 1st century that led the heavenly inquisition against judaism's false heavenly personifications, madeup commandments et al to claim their own duplicitous agenda using their victim, jesus as their foil and false justification to persecute and victimize the innocent themselves as so called christians.

communism is no different an ism as any of the others, judaism, catholicism, socialism - and is the atheistic approach than those with madeup supernatural personifications used for the same purposes to guide societies in a purposeful manner.

the phony desert religions were handed back their own corruption they deserved to be punished for.

Your beliefs are as bizarre as hobelim's. The commonality is that you both are trying to subvert religion.

 

[hobelim]

The Old Covenant put the burden on humans to keep the law perfectly. That was and is impossible since humans are horribly flawed and wholly incapable of "keeping the law." The New Covenant removes a heavy burden from mankind in that Christ's blood pays for our sins and iniquities. Through faith in Christ and repentance of our sins, we are forgiven and saved.

Moses said, "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt and turn aside from THE WAY that I taught to follow [the Law]. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” (A temple, a gilded slaughterhouse headed by a glorified butcher.) Deuteronomy 31:29

What Jesus called "the traditions of men" is a reference to what became the Talmud, detailed instructions about how to follow the Law that was already a thousand year tradition after the death of Moses before Jesus came. This is why horribly flawed humans are incapable of bearing the heavy burden of "keeping the Law". It is impossible to comply with the literal letter of the Law perfectly thats why its called "the burden of the Law" also because of "the death", a curse, for noncompliance. One cannot follow the literal letter of the Law without violating the deeper implications of the same exact Law.

Jesus came and taught that the Law was not to be interpreted or followed literally because the words are figurative, and the subjects hidden and it takes intelligence to decipher complicated metaphors like "eat my flesh" a direct reference to kosher Law that commands to not eat "the flesh" of swine that DO NOT RUMINATE. The creatures described whether clean or unclean represent human archetypes, their flesh is a metaphor for their teaching.

SIMPLE.

The new covenant is the same as the old, the same WAY Moses taught to follow the Law.

This is how the burden of the Law was removed. THE WAY that Jesus taught to understand and comply with the Laws demands is EASY not only because no priesthood, temple, farm animals, special prayers to chant, special diets, hairdos, clothing, rituals to follow, mountains to climb, and no money required, but because it is the only WAY to interpret and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth. The sanctuary of God cannot be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can. The Law is the firmament, basis, of heaven.

Either you stand on the Law and enter the realm of God, Heaven, the realm of the living, or you are under the Law and remain in Gehenna, Hell, Hades, Sheol, the realm of the dead.

The only thing that became obsolete after Jesus came is the wrong way to follow the Law.



Take this manna and eat it. This is my flesh. It is pleasing to the eye, good to eat... and free.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You just blasphemed the Creator of Heaven and Earth. Making an offense against the FIRST COMMANDMENT is a huge sin. My advice to you is to respect God and follow his commandments. If you are not a Jew then you only need to follow the first TEN COMMANDMENTS but YOU HAVE FAILED so it's probably a good idea that you stop pretending you believe in the Creator.

You clearly have no understanding of Scripture and where I have failed is in helping you with your lack of scholarship. Keep praying for truth. Seek and ye shall find.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Moses said, "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt and turn aside from THE WAY that I taught to follow [the Law]. And in the days to come evil will befall you, because you will do what is evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger through the work of your hands.” (A temple, a gilded slaughterhouse headed by a glorified butcher.) Deuteronomy 31:29

What Jesus called "the traditions of men" is a reference to what became the Talmud, detailed instructions about how to follow the Law that was already a thousand year tradition after the death of Moses before Jesus came. This is why horribly flawed humans are incapable of bearing the heavy burden of "keeping the Law". It is impossible to comply with the literal letter of the Law perfectly thats why its called "the burden of the Law" also because of "the death", a curse, for noncompliance. One cannot follow the literal letter of the Law without violating the deeper implications of the same exact Law.

Jesus came and taught that the Law was not to be interpreted or followed literally because the words are figurative, and the subjects hidden and it takes intelligence to decipher complicated metaphors like "eat my flesh" a direct reference to kosher Law that commands to not eat "the flesh" of swine that DO NOT RUMINATE. The creatures described whether clean or unclean represent human archetypes, their flesh is a metaphor for their teaching.

SIMPLE.

The new covenant is the same as the old, the same WAY Moses taught to follow the Law.

This is how the burden of the Law was removed. THE WAY that Jesus taught to understand and comply with the Laws demands is EASY not only because no priesthood, temple, farm animals, special prayers to chant, special diets, hairdos, clothing, rituals to follow, mountains to climb, and no money required, but because it is the only WAY to interpret and comply with the Laws demands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth. The sanctuary of God cannot be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can. The Law is the firmament, basis, of heaven.

Either you stand on the Law and enter the realm of God, Heaven, the realm of the living, or you are under the Law and remain in Gehenna, Hell, Hades, Sheol, the realm of the dead.

The only thing that became obsolete after Jesus came is the wrong way to follow the Law.



Take this manna and eat it. This is my flesh. It is pleasing to the eye, good to eat... and free.

Are you attempting to say that you can keep the law perfectly? I humbly and patiently await your response.

 

[hobelim]

Are you attempting to say that you can keep the law perfectly? I humbly and patiently await your response.

Yes. I always do exactly as God commands. As Jesus said, "its easy."

For instance when I was living in the wilderness among the wild beasts I was tempted by the devil, a talking serpent, who tried to get me to admit being a worthless piece of sinning shit beg God to forgive me for being human and accept the Antichrist as my god and savior.

So I asked myself , "What would Jesus do?" So I said, "**** off", and he fucked off. See?

Easy peasy!

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yes. I always do exactly as God commands. As Jesus said, "its easy."

For instance when I was living in the wilderness among the wild beasts I was tempted by the devil, a talking serpent, who tried to get me to admit being a worthless piece of sinning shit beg God to forgive me for being human and accept the Antichrist as my god and savior.

So I asked myself , "What would Jesus do?" So I said, "**** off", and he fucked off. See?

Easy peasy!

I see. What about laws against profane babblings? Is it just as easy for you to keep those laws?

 

[rosends]

Jesus Christ IS God. He appeared in the Old Testament. Also, the Old Testament testifies of His future arrival as a Son born of a virgin.

Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

If you are going use a mistranslation as your foundation, expect the whole thing to collapse.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Good post, but I amended your last paragraph for more accuracy.

The Old Covenant put the burden on Jews to keep the law perfectly. That was and is impossible since Jews were horribly flawed and wholly incapable of "keeping the law." The New Covenant cancels previous covenants for breach of covenant. Christ's blood pays for our sins and iniquities. Through faith in Christ and repentance of our sins (Jews' sins, initially), we are forgiven and saved.​

The Bible was written by, for, and about Israel (Jews, mostly). Other people had their own customs and covenants. They had their own pantheons and traditions. They were foreigners to Judaism and were not included in their narrative except as outsiders.

Pretty good but one more amendment:

The Old Covenant put the burden on [the 12 tribes of Israel and not just Judah] to keep the law perfectly. That was and is impossible since [the Israelites] were horribly flawed and wholly incapable of "keeping the law." The New Covenant cancels previous covenants for breach of covenant. Christ's blood pays for our sins and iniquities. Through faith in Christ and repentance of our sins (all sins, currently if we have faith in Christ), we are forgiven and saved.​