Is it God or Nature?

[BreezeWood]

God uses conflict to bring about good.

When you asked me the question what is nature I had no idea you meant what is it about nature that makes me believe in God.

After studying the creation of space and time, the evolution of space and time, the physical laws of nature, the biological laws of nature and the moral laws of nature, and the interconnectedness and beauty of nature, I don’t see how anyone can conclude that there isn’t intelligence behind the material world and a purpose for the material world.

"Chapter 1
The Account of Creation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

We continue to have this conflict. Your last paragraph is explained in Genesis as a literal 7 days of creation. There is no evolution of space and time; as Earth had to happen rapidly to be the prominent place called heaven. Satan is the one who wants you to believe in evolution.

Creation is an allegorical account. It’s not a science periodical or monogram. It’s man addressing the origin question. Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

you're dumber than bond, two crucifiers arguing which drives the nail deeper ...

everything in nature is from parents there is nothing in the universe of - oneness. competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ... hopefully for the better the religion of antiquity, entropy is for losers - the above.

Learn some science. The universe was created from nothing.

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

- competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ...

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

that's a stretch ...

The universe was created from nothing.

sorry, your terminology "density" at the moment of singularity is certainly conclusive of something - cyclical in nature.

they are parents, the metaphysical forces responsible for the universe as perceived understanding is not necessary, being triumphant is and is the means to join them in the Everlasting.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

singularity is the moment of transition from energy to matter in the cyclical event that initiated the present finite expansion occurring in today's observable universe ...

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

the expansion of matter is at a finite angle of trajectory that eventually returns everything expelled back to its original location at the same time ... cyclical.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago.

finite value, infinitely -

again, yours is simply an absurd statement, density - for any field of study you believe it might apply ...

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

.
that has been demonstrated to you previously -

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as was demonstrated by newton, the canon ball returns to the canon without changing direction and does so by it's finite angle of trajectory ...

an extrapolation to the BB the expansion is in unison at a finite angle of trajectory and will have all matter return to its origin at the same time beginning a new cycle of compaction.

not my problem, your low level iq, comprehension of information.

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

expands spherically to the apex of all the matters finite angles of trajectory and will then proceed, all matter, without changing direction back to its point of origin at the same time as a mirror image from whence it began, its stationary axis.

in reality, the creation of physiology and its spiritual content may have no bearing whatsoever to the origin of the universe and be so removed as being a purely incidental component with little to no importance at all.

and just why certain beings feel the need to have a messiah (teddy bear) for them to be "saved" in the scheme of physiology is virtually a preposterous proposition without relevancy whatsoever than the organism is solely responsible for its own destiny. and the guidance of the metaphysical forces responsible for its existance.

 

[ding]

God uses conflict to bring about good.

When you asked me the question what is nature I had no idea you meant what is it about nature that makes me believe in God.

After studying the creation of space and time, the evolution of space and time, the physical laws of nature, the biological laws of nature and the moral laws of nature, and the interconnectedness and beauty of nature, I don’t see how anyone can conclude that there isn’t intelligence behind the material world and a purpose for the material world.

"Chapter 1
The Account of Creation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

We continue to have this conflict. Your last paragraph is explained in Genesis as a literal 7 days of creation. There is no evolution of space and time; as Earth had to happen rapidly to be the prominent place called heaven. Satan is the one who wants you to believe in evolution.

Creation is an allegorical account. It’s not a science periodical or monogram. It’s man addressing the origin question. Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

you're dumber than bond, two crucifiers arguing which drives the nail deeper ...

everything in nature is from parents there is nothing in the universe of - oneness. competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ... hopefully for the better the religion of antiquity, entropy is for losers - the above.

Learn some science. The universe was created from nothing.

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

- competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ...

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

that's a stretch ...

The universe was created from nothing.

sorry, your terminology "density" at the moment of singularity is certainly conclusive of something - cyclical in nature.

they are parents, the metaphysical forces responsible for the universe as perceived understanding is not necessary, being triumphant is and is the means to join them in the Everlasting.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

singularity is the moment of transition from energy to matter in the cyclical event that initiated the present finite expansion occurring in today's observable universe ...

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

the expansion of matter is at a finite angle of trajectory that eventually returns everything expelled back to its original location at the same time ... cyclical.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago.

finite value, infinitely -

again, yours is simply an absurd statement, density - for any field of study you believe it might apply ...

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

.
that has been demonstrated to you previously -

View attachment 321092

as was demonstrated by newton, the canon ball returns to the canon without changing direction and does so by it's finite angle of trajectory ...

an extrapolation to the BB the expansion is in unison at a finite angle of trajectory and will have all matter return to its origin at the same time beginning a new cycle of compaction.

not my problem, your low level iq, comprehension of information.

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

expands spherically to the apex of all the matters finite angles of trajectory and will then proceed, all matter, without changing direction back to its point of origin at the same time as a mirror image from whence it began, its stationary axis.

in reality, the creation of physiology and its spiritual content may have no bearing whatsoever to the origin of the universe and be so removed as being a purely incidental component with little to no importance at all.

and just why certain beings feel the need to have a messiah (teddy bear) for them to be "saved" in the scheme of physiology is virtually a preposterous proposition without relevancy whatsoever than the organism is solely responsible for its own destiny. and the guidance of the metaphysical forces responsible for its existance.

That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What comic book did you get that from?

 

[ding]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event.

 

[ding]

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

If God, then why?
If Nature, is it a "correction" in the balance of life among the human species?
Survival of the "fittest" ... and rich/powerful (access to life-saving resources)?

Perhaps population density, some foul sanitary/eating habits, and easy global travel opportunities are "correcting" overpopulation of humans?
Maybe God wants to give non-human animals a break?
What say you?

I think it's funny we think we are gods chosen animal just because we might be the only animal smart enough to contemplate such things. Maybe dolphins do to actually we don't know. But bottom line is we think god put all this here for us.

But he didn't make us the fastest animal. Nor the strongest. We don't have the best hearing or eye sight.

And ya don't see other animals dying from corona just us. God sure made us fragile, slow, deaf compared to other animals, can't even smell as good as dogs can.

All creatures are God’s creatures. But humans are distinctly unique in that we are beings that know and create.

does that make us chosen? I don’t think so.

 

[james bond]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

 

[ding]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

 

[james bond]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

 

[ding]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

Of course they were. How else do you believe God did.

I never said the Bible was a science book. You are the one who believes the Bible is a science book. You believe the Bible literally describes how everything was created. I say it describes it allegorically.

 

[BreezeWood]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

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Laws of nature were not in place before space and time.

you two keep singing the same song - there was no beginning nor will there ever be an ending.

planet Earth is another story -

and not one from darkness as your phony religion but the light of day from the very beginning - and the progression over time, the physiology that evolved and the diversity of life unimpeeded till the advent of humanity.

 

[ding]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

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Laws of nature were not in place before space and time.

you two keep singing the same song - there was no beginning nor will there ever be an ending.

planet Earth is another story -

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and not one from darkness as your phony religion but the light of day from the very beginning - and the progression over time, the physiology that evolved and the diversity of life unimpeeded till the advent of humanity.

You can’t explain why the universe began to expand in your fucked up gibberish model.

 

[james bond]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

Of course they were. How else do you believe God did.

I never said the Bible was a science book. You are the one who believes the Bible is a science book. You believe the Bible literally describes how everything was created. I say it describes it allegorically.

This is upsetting as the Bible is not a science book, but science backs up the Bible. You get things wrong like the atheists. Furthermore, you are putting words in my mouth. The supernatural parts of Genesis is literal which is what I have mainly discussed as science. OTOH, you believe in some kind of Old Earth theory mixing God's creation with Satan's Antibible of evolution.

In regards to the Bible, all of the Bible is literal except for the prophecy parts. I even asked you a question about what you thought the prophecy parts were -- literal or allegorical, but you could not answer. It makes me think you don't know much about the Bible. Do you go to church on Sundays and Bible studies?

 

[ding]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

Of course they were. How else do you believe God did.

I never said the Bible was a science book. You are the one who believes the Bible is a science book. You believe the Bible literally describes how everything was created. I say it describes it allegorically.

This is upsetting as the Bible is not a science book, but science backs up the Bible. You get things wrong like the atheists. Furthermore, you are putting words in my mouth. The supernatural parts of Genesis is literal which is what I have mainly discussed as science. OTOH, you believe in some kind of Old Earth theory mixing God's creation with Satan's Antibible of evolution.

In regards to the Bible, all of the Bible is literal except for the prophecy parts. I even asked you a question about what you thought the prophecy parts were -- literal or allegorical, but you could not answer. It makes me think you don't know much about the Bible. Do you go to church on Sundays and Bible studies?

And I believe what I am saying is that science backs up the Bible too. The only difference between our two positions is that I believe God created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise. So when the Bible says man was made from dust, science backs that up. It’s just that the Bible is saying that allegorically.

but you can keep disparaging me for it. I can turn the other cheek.

 

[james bond]

And I believe what I am saying is that science backs up the Bible too. The only difference between our two positions is that I believe God created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise. So when the Bible says man was made from dust, science backs that up. It’s just that the Bible is saying that allegorically.

but you can keep disparaging me for it. I can turn the other cheek.

No, I don't disparage or criticize you for that. We just disagree on the science. What I criticize is for you lacking a source.

Before, I get to my point, haven't I said that how I learned science was that it was always about disagreement and having the best theory? Yet, today we have science overriding God. God doesn't exist anymore with today's science. He can't exist anymore with today's science. It's impossible for God to exist anymore with today's science. Wouldn't that be what Satan wants? If someone suggests that God created humans or the universe in a science context, then they are dismissed. I would lose my job and never be able to do peer reviews anymore. These creation scientists will not be allowed to do peer reviews anymore. That's not what I learned science is about. But in today's world it is and God has been eliminated. In today's science, it's not about disagreement, but consensus. That won't lead to the truth in science; It will lead to a lie. And this is what has happened today with fake science and our fake museums.

Anyway, that isn't the important point. Or what I am getting to.

We shouldn't disagree on the religion. You're Catholic (and I'm Protestant), but you still do not answer my questions so I know there is something more you aren't telling me. The following is more important than science (even though science is important; science and religion are two sides of the same coin).

What do you consider the most important church holiday?

I think we are celebrating it now. What was yesterday?

That's right. Good Friday. It's the day Jesus died for our sins. It's the day we gained salvation again. Jesus paid ransom for Adam's and our sins. God delivered on his promise. We have a chance to be born again and be baptized to cleanse away our huge sin. That day is Pentecost and is coming after Easter, the grandest day of celebration for Jesus our Lord!!!

What do you think about the believers who are willing to risk their lives for going to church? What about those pastors who want to hold service this weekend?

If it's to show God that they're better Christians, then they're sadly mistaken. That's not what I was taught in church. A Christian's greatest sacrifice is to give their lives to save someone else's life, i.e. they lay down their life in order to save someone else's. Can you do that? It's okay, to answer it to yourself. Most of us can't or wouldn't. For one, it's dangerous so one has to know what they are doing to be successful. For example, if someone is drowning, one has to know rescue techniques. No point in having both die. The idea is to keep it in mind as the chance may present itself and one can't think twice but have to take action. They have to be prepared beforehand such as knowing rescue techniques. The best outcome is both live.

 

[Newtonian]

God uses conflict to bring about good.

When you asked me the question what is nature I had no idea you meant what is it about nature that makes me believe in God.

After studying the creation of space and time, the evolution of space and time, the physical laws of nature, the biological laws of nature and the moral laws of nature, and the interconnectedness and beauty of nature, I don’t see how anyone can conclude that there isn’t intelligence behind the material world and a purpose for the material world.

"Chapter 1
The Account of Creation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

We continue to have this conflict. Your last paragraph is explained in Genesis as a literal 7 days of creation. There is no evolution of space and time; as Earth had to happen rapidly to be the prominent place called heaven. Satan is the one who wants you to believe in evolution.

Creation is an allegorical account. It’s not a science periodical or monogram. It’s man addressing the origin question. Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

you're dumber than bond, two crucifiers arguing which drives the nail deeper ...

everything in nature is from parents there is nothing in the universe of - oneness. competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ... hopefully for the better the religion of antiquity, entropy is for losers - the above.

Learn some science. The universe was created from nothing.

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

- competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ...

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

that's a stretch ...

The universe was created from nothing.

sorry, your terminology "density" at the moment of singularity is certainly conclusive of something - cyclical in nature.

they are parents, the metaphysical forces responsible for the universe as perceived understanding is not necessary, being triumphant is and is the means to join them in the Everlasting.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

singularity is the moment of transition from energy to matter in the cyclical event that initiated the present finite expansion occurring in today's observable universe ...

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

the expansion of matter is at a finite angle of trajectory that eventually returns everything expelled back to its original location at the same time ... cyclical.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago.

finite value, infinitely -

again, yours is simply an absurd statement, density - for any field of study you believe it might apply ...

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

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that has been demonstrated to you previously -

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as was demonstrated by newton, the canon ball returns to the canon without changing direction and does so by it's finite angle of trajectory ...

an extrapolation to the BB the expansion is in unison at a finite angle of trajectory and will have all matter return to its origin at the same time beginning a new cycle of compaction.

not my problem, your low level iq, comprehension of information.

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

I don’t buy into dark matter and dark energy. They are just a fancy fudge factor. I think the better explanation is we don’t understand how light travels between galaxies and our calculations of acceleration are inaccurate. I also never bought into the theory that gravity would cause our universe to contract thus negating the whole acceleration argument. Bullets don’t return to the barrel no matter what Breezewood thinks.

So we disagree - that's OK in scientific research especially in cases like this which involve unsolved mysteries like what dark matter and dark energy actually are.

Our literature refers to the scientific basis for belief in dark matter and dark energy e.g Type 1A supernovae as the basis for measurement

A Universe Full of Surprises — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

For example, this footnote:

Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"Dark matter was postulated in the 1930’s and confirmed in the 1980’s. Today astronomers measure how much dark matter a cluster of galaxies may have by observing how the cluster bends light from more distant objects."

Another evidence is the motion of galaxies - they would fly apart if the gravity from dark matter was not involved. For more detail, see:

What is Dark Matter?

Dark matter is the mysterious stuff that fills the universe but no one has ever seen.

www.space.com

I’ve never had a problem with others not agreeing with me.

Me neither.

 

[Newtonian]

God uses conflict to bring about good.

When you asked me the question what is nature I had no idea you meant what is it about nature that makes me believe in God.

After studying the creation of space and time, the evolution of space and time, the physical laws of nature, the biological laws of nature and the moral laws of nature, and the interconnectedness and beauty of nature, I don’t see how anyone can conclude that there isn’t intelligence behind the material world and a purpose for the material world.

"Chapter 1
The Account of Creation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

We continue to have this conflict. Your last paragraph is explained in Genesis as a literal 7 days of creation. There is no evolution of space and time; as Earth had to happen rapidly to be the prominent place called heaven. Satan is the one who wants you to believe in evolution.

Creation is an allegorical account. It’s not a science periodical or monogram. It’s man addressing the origin question. Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

you're dumber than bond, two crucifiers arguing which drives the nail deeper ...

everything in nature is from parents there is nothing in the universe of - oneness. competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ... hopefully for the better the religion of antiquity, entropy is for losers - the above.

Learn some science. The universe was created from nothing.

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

- competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ...

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

that's a stretch ...

The universe was created from nothing.

sorry, your terminology "density" at the moment of singularity is certainly conclusive of something - cyclical in nature.

they are parents, the metaphysical forces responsible for the universe as perceived understanding is not necessary, being triumphant is and is the means to join them in the Everlasting.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

singularity is the moment of transition from energy to matter in the cyclical event that initiated the present finite expansion occurring in today's observable universe ...

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

the expansion of matter is at a finite angle of trajectory that eventually returns everything expelled back to its original location at the same time ... cyclical.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago.

finite value, infinitely -

again, yours is simply an absurd statement, density - for any field of study you believe it might apply ...

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

.
that has been demonstrated to you previously -

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as was demonstrated by newton, the canon ball returns to the canon without changing direction and does so by it's finite angle of trajectory ...

an extrapolation to the BB the expansion is in unison at a finite angle of trajectory and will have all matter return to its origin at the same time beginning a new cycle of compaction.

not my problem, your low level iq, comprehension of information.

That is such a false analogy it isn’t even funny. Do you even know why the universe is expanding? Do you? I mean after all if all the mass is in a tiny space why wouldn’t it stay there.

That is such a false analogy it isn’t even funny. Do you even know why the universe is expanding? Do you? I mean after all if all the mass is in a tiny space why wouldn’t it stay there.

no, that is how matter will recreate the compaction by weight and velocity, transforming to a condensed state that mathematically will become unable to sustain itself, a new moment of singularity ... the metaphysical forces reaming the same.

that is not however a discussion about physiology and the peripheral spiritual content.

That’s even more gibberish.

Can you explain why the universe expanded if gravity forced it to contract?

The expansion was due to energy input from God in harmony with the law of conservation of matter and energy and the principle of cause and effect.

How God did this is a valid branch of scientific research - one model is the collision of two 2-d branes edge on since the point of impact would be a singularity with zero dimensions but an incredible amount of energy release - specifically: E= Mc^2.

But that only explains the energy (and resulting mass later) at the origin of our universe - not how God created the laws governing our universe (see Job 38:33) or the fine tuned properties of our universe to allow for stars and life as we know it to exist or be created.

The expansion is due to anti-matter matter annihilations which released massive amounts of energy which propelled the remaining matter outward like ripples on a pond.

Most scientists agree that energy preceded matter in the origin of our universe. But in your favored model - where did the matter and antimatter come from?

 

[Newtonian]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

Of course they were. How else do you believe God did.

I never said the Bible was a science book. You are the one who believes the Bible is a science book. You believe the Bible literally describes how everything was created. I say it describes it allegorically.

This is upsetting as the Bible is not a science book, but science backs up the Bible. You get things wrong like the atheists. Furthermore, you are putting words in my mouth. The supernatural parts of Genesis is literal which is what I have mainly discussed as science. OTOH, you believe in some kind of Old Earth theory mixing God's creation with Satan's Antibible of evolution.

In regards to the Bible, all of the Bible is literal except for the prophecy parts. I even asked you a question about what you thought the prophecy parts were -- literal or allegorical, but you could not answer. It makes me think you don't know much about the Bible. Do you go to church on Sundays and Bible studies?

And I believe what I am saying is that science backs up the Bible too. The only difference between our two positions is that I believe God created the universe such that beings that know and create would eventually arise. So when the Bible says man was made from dust, science backs that up. It’s just that the Bible is saying that allegorically.

but you can keep disparaging me for it. I can turn the other cheek.

It's not just allegory - man was made from the dust. All the elements that make up the human body are in earth's soil. We also return to the dust. Of course, there are other definitions of the Hebrew word translated "dust."

 

[Newtonian]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Our visibility horizon is about 14 billion light years away. Remnants from earlier than that are in the CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background radiation) which we know more about since the WMAP data was studied.

We can't see any galaxies or Quasars from earlier (more distant as per the speed of light) because they did not exist before then.

In our universe matter and anti-matter cannot react without our universe specific space-time - you are right about that.

However, cause and effect proceeded before our universe specific space-time was created. The time during which cause and effect proceeded before this I call "primordial time." Cause and effect cannot proceed without time.

Sadly for science, many assume there was no cause and that our universe came from nothing.

But this violates both the law of conservation of matter and energy and the principle of cause and effect and also assumes no time existed before our universe specific space-time was created.

On the other hand, some scientists postulated the existence of other universes with different properties and with different rates of time passage. We know from the Bible that God's concept of time is different from us earthlings - see Psalms 90:4.

Edit/Note: I was not referring to the infinite multiverse model - there is zero evidence for infinite universes. But a comparison of 1 Kings 8:27 and 8:30 suggests there is a much larger universe which contains our universe and other universes - and then still another heaven wherein God dwells.

 

[BreezeWood]

Because it was created with nearly equal amounts of matter and antimatter which annihilated each other releasing tremendous amounts of energy propelling the remaining matter outward like a ripple on a pond.

How can matter and antimatter appear and interact with each other with no space and time? And there is no need to wait 14 billion years. You have no idea how long that is. None of us has. One can't do any experiments. From entropy, we know that the heavenly bodies end up destroying each other or never to be seen again. We also know that what we see isn't really billions of years old. We can't see further than 100 light years. Let's say we want to visit a planet in Alpha Centnauri and have a way to get there at light speed. We aren't goimg to plot our course based on what we see now are we?

Through a quantum tunneling event. It’s called inflation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That's one of the physicists who believed in multiverses. These lib atheist scientists make up and believe anything so their no God story can "evolve." That's what Satan's Antibible of evolution is -- a lie. No one has seen nor demonstrated things you believe in like dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation. Do you believe in strings and multiverses? Do you believe that one can travel back into the past because of it? It's crazy nonsense. For example, we have demonstrated multiverses do not exist.

He can reach whatever conclusion he wants about God. Just as long as he acknowledges the laws of nature were in place before space and time.

That may be so of atheist scientist Vilenkin, but what about you? Laws of nature were not in place before space and time. Space and time had to come first as there was a void and God created the Earth into it. The laws of nature came into existence as creation days went forward.

So, do you believe in multiverses, string theory, dark energy, quantum tunneling event, and inflation? It sounds like you do if you present Vilenkin as an example. If you believe that, then it contradicts believing in the seven days of creation and God's word. Do you not believe he created the universe as he said? He was the only witness. The big bang doesn't even follow science. Stephen Hawking admitted one needed space to have a quantum particle. He wouldn't admit one needed time for these particles to move and interact, but yet he has them popping in and out of existence. We know quantum particles exist, but we have to have science describe and explain them and we do not have all the information yet. It's like entropy in that our information is increasing and one day we'll know what happened behind closed doors or with invisible particles. However, the Bible isn't a science book, so God gave us the general picture of what he did and that is sufficient. To me, your explanations lack detail and raises questions as to what you actually believe or have faith in -- God or pseudoscience? You can't have it both ways as they contradict each other. I mean that's what it sounds like you are saying.

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Laws of nature were not in place before space and time.

you two keep singing the same song - there was no beginning nor will there ever be an ending.

planet Earth is another story -

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and not one from darkness as your phony religion but the light of day from the very beginning - and the progression over time, the physiology that evolved and the diversity of life unimpeeded till the advent of humanity.

You can’t explain why the universe began to expand in your fucked up gibberish model.

You can’t explain why the universe began to expand in your fucked up gibberish model.

that was made clear to you -

no, that is how matter will recreate the compaction by weight and velocity, transforming to a condensed state that mathematically will become unable to sustain itself, a new moment of singularity ... the metaphysical forces reaming the same.

and made mention, your low i q being your obstacle not mine. certainly there can be changes to the cycle hopefully that never happens.

BB is not really the subject matter of this thread - is it God or nature -

Is this Covid-19 pandemic a result of God's actions, or an ecological/biological/sociological process that reflects Nature?

but the evolution of physiology and its spiritual content is -

at the very least the covid is following the course of a carnivorous existence the same as most Fauna and does coincide with both nature and the path adopted by humanity - is it evil, not at best a response within nature however as a response to the treachery of humanity against Garden Earth then indeed covid may well be a message from the Almighty their tolerance is at a very dangerous level against the presence of gluttonous mankind.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yet, today we have science overriding God. God doesn't exist anymore with today's science. He can't exist anymore with today's science.

It's impossible for God to exist anymore with today's science.

present science is not a threat to the religion of antiquity as prescribed - just the desert religions and their ulterior motives.

rather than accepting the dissolution of the written christian bible and working to use the truths of the past to correct the errors culminating in the 4th century - you would deliberately use disinformation to coincide your personal worldview with that of the crucifiers to prolong their crime and your allegiance with them.

 

[Newtonian]

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God uses conflict to bring about good.

When you asked me the question what is nature I had no idea you meant what is it about nature that makes me believe in God.

After studying the creation of space and time, the evolution of space and time, the physical laws of nature, the biological laws of nature and the moral laws of nature, and the interconnectedness and beauty of nature, I don’t see how anyone can conclude that there isn’t intelligence behind the material world and a purpose for the material world.

"Chapter 1
The Account of Creation
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters." Genesis 1:1-2

We continue to have this conflict. Your last paragraph is explained in Genesis as a literal 7 days of creation. There is no evolution of space and time; as Earth had to happen rapidly to be the prominent place called heaven. Satan is the one who wants you to believe in evolution.

Creation is an allegorical account. It’s not a science periodical or monogram. It’s man addressing the origin question. Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

Everything was created by God. No material universe existed prior to that.

you're dumber than bond, two crucifiers arguing which drives the nail deeper ...

everything in nature is from parents there is nothing in the universe of - oneness. competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ... hopefully for the better the religion of antiquity, entropy is for losers - the above.

Learn some science. The universe was created from nothing.

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

- competing forces created the universe in the shape it presently is observed and is everchanging ...

your the universe has always existed belief is BS. But of course you just contradicted yourself when you literally wrote the universe was created.

that's a stretch ...

The universe was created from nothing.

sorry, your terminology "density" at the moment of singularity is certainly conclusive of something - cyclical in nature.

they are parents, the metaphysical forces responsible for the universe as perceived understanding is not necessary, being triumphant is and is the means to join them in the Everlasting.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

Holy shit. How many times do I have to explain to you that the term singularity has to do with mathematics and is not some physical event?

singularity is the moment of transition from energy to matter in the cyclical event that initiated the present finite expansion occurring in today's observable universe ...

There is nothing cyclical about the creation of the universe. It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago. It literally popped into existence and began to expand and cool.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

No. It isn’t. Your goofy fantasies have no basis in science.

the expansion of matter is at a finite angle of trajectory that eventually returns everything expelled back to its original location at the same time ... cyclical.

2Physics Mathematics
A point at which a function takes an infinite value, especially in space-time when matter is infinitely dense, as at the center of a black hole.

It was literally created from nothing 14 billion years ago.

finite value, infinitely -

again, yours is simply an absurd statement, density - for any field of study you believe it might apply ...

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

That’s gibberish.

tell me why matter expanded. You can’t. Because you don’t know. Apparently it goes against your belief that the universe will contract.

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that has been demonstrated to you previously -

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as was demonstrated by newton, the canon ball returns to the canon without changing direction and does so by it's finite angle of trajectory ...

an extrapolation to the BB the expansion is in unison at a finite angle of trajectory and will have all matter return to its origin at the same time beginning a new cycle of compaction.

not my problem, your low level iq, comprehension of information.

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

The universe will expand eternally not only due to the expansion rate astronomer Lovell perceived, but also due to dark/invisible energy from the One who is stretching our the universe (Isaiah 40:22,26).

expands spherically to the apex of all the matters finite angles of trajectory and will then proceed, all matter, without changing direction back to its point of origin at the same time as a mirror image from whence it began, its stationary axis.

in reality, the creation of physiology and its spiritual content may have no bearing whatsoever to the origin of the universe and be so removed as being a purely incidental component with little to no importance at all.

and just why certain beings feel the need to have a messiah (teddy bear) for them to be "saved" in the scheme of physiology is virtually a preposterous proposition without relevancy whatsoever than the organism is solely responsible for its own destiny. and the guidance of the metaphysical forces responsible for its existance.

Expands spherically? Can you post a link to that model? Most scientists refer to our universe as being 'flat.'