Zone1 Is Genesis 1:25-27 a contradiction with Genesis 2:18-20?

[surada]

True that some are just lessons, but may have their basis in true events, "the Good Samaritan" for example may have actually happened as written. Proverbs 31 also sounds plausible.

The stories have a universal truth that stands the test of time. Like, the boy who cried wolf. IMO they illustrate "truth".

 

[zaangalewa]

Genesis 1:25-27

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:18-19

18 The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him.* k
19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name.

Going to Genesis 2:4-5, "Generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew. for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." I'm going to go out on a limb and say that everything was made spiritually before it was made physically including the universe and the earth. Whether or not man was made first or last, the animals were named by Adam. Why was this important?
It's not a contradiction. The animals were formed spiritually first as was Adam. Thus, Adam knew the animals before being introduced into the earth. Adam is Michael the arc angel, one of the main hosts of heaven. Also, life was first formed before Adam. Then, after Adam was formed, God brought them to Adam to be named. There is no contradiction. The verse 19 is just stating something that happened in verse 25 of Genesis chapter 1. Not a contradiction.

Perhaps this is no contradiction. Perhaps one point of view is from inside of evolution - and the other side is from outside of evolution. From outside we are a kind of end and responsible for our animalic sisters and brothers - and from the other point of view evolutiuon was always on the way to make us - so our animalic sisters and brothers became also more and more human or humanoid.

Or time is perhaps in general not this what we think what time is. We are for example easily able to think we come from paradise and go to heaven - but we are also often thinking we come from heaven and go to paradise. Or we come from paradise and got to paradise - without to go back.

 

[Cougarbear]

Why would you want to destroy faith? It far more than superstition. We aren't bronze age people.

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I’m not Presbyterian. I am a member of Christ’s true Church with the only one with authority. I know what is true.

 

[Cougarbear]

Perhaps this is no contradiction. Perhaps one point of view is from inside of evolution - and the other side is from outside of evolution. From outside we are a kind of end and responsible for our animalic sisters and brothers - and from the other point of view evolutiuon was always on the way to make us - so our animalic sisters and brothers became also more and more human or humanoid.

Or time is perhaps in general not this what we think what time is. We are for example easily able to think we come from paradise and go to heaven - but we are also often thinking we come from heaven and go to paradise. Or we come from paradise and got to paradise - without to go back.

I’m more grateful to know where I come from, what I’m doing here and where I’m going. No perhaps. Just know.
How long it took to organize the matter unformed isn’t important. Father in Heaven revealed his plan before the universe was organized. We were there as spirit children of our Heavenly Parents. We could not progress to be as Father and Mother are, resurrected beings and God of this universe. We had to descend down to the earth, gain a body, and in faith do all we covenanted to do before coming down. In the future, because of the full atonement of Jesus Christ, we too will be resurrected and have the opportunity to live as sealed families forever if we so choose.!

 

[surada]

I’m not Presbyterian. I am a member of Christ’s true Church with the only one with authority. I know what is true.

Mormon? Right?

 

[Cougarbear]

Mormon? Right?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, Latter Day Saint. Mormon was a Prophet of God in the Americas about 400AD. As an Angel, he a ride lots of the Book of Mormon because of lost writings and clarity.

 

[Ace Nova]

There are no contradictions in Genesis. What you don't understand is not a contradiction.

 

[presonorek]

Especially those "thou shalt nots". Who wants to be told not to do the things that they are itching to do.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain.
On the sabbath thou shalt not do any labor.
Honor thy father and mother.
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet.

So let me get this straight. You want to worship other gods, make statues of that god while using the name of the god in the Bible to manipulate people, you want to work every Saturday while talking trash about your parents, stealing stuff from your boss, killing your coworkers, while having sex with the boss's wife, you want to testify in court to say you saw someone else do all of this stuff and then you want to plot and plan ways to take everything your boss has and have it for yourself?

You have some interesting desires. You should set the bar higher. The only one of those that possibly makes sense is your desire to commit adultery. I don't know anybody that has an insatiable desire to do the other 9.

 

[Woodznutz]

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain.
On the sabbath thou shalt not do any labor.
Honor thy father and mother.
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet.

So let me get this straight. You want to worship other gods, make statues of that god while using the name of the god in the Bible to manipulate people, you want to work every Saturday while talking trash about your parents, stealing stuff from your boss, killing your coworkers, while having sex with the boss's wife, you want to testify in court to say you saw someone else do all of this stuff and then you want to plot and plan ways to take everything your boss has and have it for yourself?

You have some interesting desires. You should set the bar higher. The only one of those that possibly makes sense is your desire to commit adultery. I don't know anybody that has an insatiable desire to do the other 9.

I don't do those things; I'm just pointing out that many people do.

The prisons, graveyards, and the courts, are filled with people who desired to do many of those things.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't do those things; I'm just pointing out that many people do.

The prisons, graveyards, and the courts, are filled with people who desired to do many of those things.

And they are in prisons except for those let out way too early because they are Black or Trans. So, were those good things to do because you made them sound that it is okay to do those 10 things? That’s why he responded the way he did.
As far as being told what not to do, we have thousands of laws telling us what not to do these days. If people would follow these 10, how much less crime would there be? I worship the Sabbath on Sunday and so do millions more. One day a week.

 

[Woodznutz]

And they are in prisons except for those let out way too early because they are Black or Trans. So, were those good things to do because you made them sound that it is okay to do those 10 things? That’s why he responded the way he did.

He responded the way he did because he wanted to, not because it was justified.

I worship the Sabbath on Sunday and so do millions more. One day a week.

That's fine as long you rest on the true Sabbath, the seventh day. Many in the early church also met on Sunday.

 

[Cougarbear]

Did he respond the way he wanted? He made a choice. But what got him to where he is? Society has degenerated to a level of inciting bad behavior. The commandments are a path given to us for a more happy existence. Not to restrict us. God also knew we would sometimes break commandments. So, he gave us a path to not feel shame, but to ask for for forgiveness and remove guilt.

 

[Clyde 154]

There are two distinct creation stories in Genesis. The first mystical story was put there for the priests and the second was put there for the law givers. Don't try to reconcile them.

What is important is the documented fact that there are 2 different accounts of the same events......... The Hebrew word "Toledoth" is used in (Genesis 2:4), "This is the record of God creating....) its nothing but a recap before the next generation of men is recorded "The records of Adam, Genesis 5:1.....and so forth, Noah Genesis 6:9....etc.,

Genesis 1.........this word Toledoth translates as "these are generations of......." Genesis 1 begins with God's accounting of the literal creation.....all of creation. "Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created..........." Chapter 1 goes on to declare the chronological order of creation events......over the 6 days of creation.

Genesis 1:1 thru Genesis 2:4 is God's account of how He created the worlds.......Starting in Genesis 2:4 the text is recording the events leading up to man (Adam) receiving Rain for the first time, and granting man the authority to plant fields and till the land in order to Grow plants for food. (Genesis 2:4-7) After Genesis 2:7...........its the account of Adam's history not CREATION.......but how do you record a history of the first man without recapping how the first man and creation came to be?

Anytime you have 2 different witnesses to the same event you will never get a "Verbatim" Account......one author might mention something the other author never addessed.......this does not make contradictions, just different accounts of the same event/s. God's version Genesis 1:1, 2:4-7. The history of Adam beginning from that point forward.

There is no "contradiction" when you read the 2 chapters in context, content and subject matter. In Genesis 1:11-12 the content that addresses plants is referring to ALL THE PLANT LIFE ON EARTH. When you read Genesis 2:5 the author is addressing only the plants that require human cultivation, as per the actual content of Chapter 2.....the words found in Chapter 2 never appear in Chapter 1......words such as PLANT, FIELD, GREW. Clearly this content declares that such plants that require PLANTING, TENDED FIELDS.........and GROWING were not yet in existence because the need never existed until after Man was created and there was NO RAIN to aid in the cultivation.

Then some claim that Chapter 2 and 1 contradict concerning the creation of man timeline. Chapter 1 represents animals as being created first (vss. 24-26), yet some say that Genesis 2 has man created before the animals (vs. 19). But this is not what Chapter 2 is stating........the actual text of vs. 19 is merely stating that God is bringing the animals to Adam to name.......not that they never existed before man was created. It literally states nothing in relation to the chronological origins of man and beast. If you declare different, you are reading something that does not exist in the actual text.

 

[Woodznutz]

What is important is the documented fact that there are 2 different accounts of the same events......... The Hebrew word "Toledoth" is used in (Genesis 2:4), "This is the record of God creating....) its nothing but a recap before the next generation of men is recorded "The records of Adam, Genesis 5:1.....and so forth, Noah Genesis 6:9....etc.,

Genesis 1.........this word Toledoth translates as "these are generations of......." Genesis 1 begins with God's accounting of the literal creation.....all of creation. "Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created..........." Chapter 1 goes on to declare the chronological order of creation events......over the 6 days of creation.

Genesis 1:1 thru Genesis 2:4 is God's account of how He created the worlds.......Starting in Genesis 2:4 the text is recording the events leading up to man (Adam) receiving Rain for the first time, and granting man the authority to plant fields and till the land in order to Grow plants for food. (Genesis 2:4-7) After Genesis 2:7...........its the account of Adam's history not CREATION.......but how do you record a history of the first man without recapping how the first man and creation came to be?

Anytime you have 2 different witnesses to the same event you will never get a "Verbatim" Account......one author might mention something the other author never addessed.......this does not make contradictions, just different accounts of the same event/s. God's version Genesis 1:1, 2:4-7. The history of Adam beginning from that point forward.

There is no "contradiction" when you read the 2 chapters in context, content and subject matter. In Genesis 1:11-12 the content that addresses plants is referring to ALL THE PLANT LIFE ON EARTH. When you read Genesis 2:5 the author is addressing only the plants that require human cultivation, as per the actual content of Chapter 2.....the words found in Chapter 2 never appear in Chapter 1......words such as PLANT, FIELD, GREW. Clearly this content declares that such plants that require PLANTING, TENDED FIELDS.........and GROWING were not yet in existence because the need never existed until after Man was created and there was NO RAIN to aid in the cultivation.

Then some claim that Chapter 2 and 1 contradict concerning the creation of man timeline. Chapter 1 represents animals as being created first (vss. 24-26), yet some say that Genesis 2 has man created before the animals (vs. 19). But this is not what Chapter 2 is stating........the actual text of vs. 19 is merely stating that God is bringing the animals to Adam to name.......not that they never existed before man was created. It literally states nothing in relation to the chronological origins of man and beast. If you declare different, you are reading something that does not exist in the actual text.

"Recap"...bullseye.

 

[surada]

Genesis 1:25-27

25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:18-19

18 The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him.* k
19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name.



Going to Genesis 2:4-5, "Generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew. for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." I'm going to go out on a limb and say that everything was made spiritually before it was made physically including the universe and the earth. Whether or not man was made first or last, the animals were named by Adam. Why was this important?
It's not a contradiction. The animals were formed spiritually first as was Adam. Thus, Adam knew the animals before being introduced into the earth. Adam is Michael the arc angel, one of the main hosts of heaven. Also, life was first formed before Adam. Then, after Adam was formed, God brought them to Adam to be named. There is no contradiction. The verse 19 is just stating something that happened in verse 25 of Genesis chapter 1. Not a contradiction.

Most serious scholars say that the creation stories of Judea and Israel were slightly different.. King Omri had them combined when he was trying to unite the two.

 

[BreezeWood]

Most serious scholars say that the creation stories of Judea and Israel were slightly different.

the first pages illustrate the forgeries and fallacies of all three desert religions ...


- from the spoken heavenly religion of antiquity ...

Then God said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

all living beings are equally granted remission to the everlasting through life's accomplishments ...

there are no heavenly 10 commandments - moses lives in torment till their indiscretion is rectified.

 

[Cougarbear]

Most serious scholars say that the creation stories of Judea and Israel were slightly different.. King Omri had them combined when he was trying to unite the two.

Why are you bringing in King Omri? he was briefly mentioned unfavorably in the OT. And, where do you get that King Omri did anything to the first two chapters of Genesis? Your scholars are less than serious and probably on drugs.

 

[surada]

Prove this? No, Moses, with the help from his scribes, wrote the 5 books of Moses. These scholars you like to use are full of crap.

The Pentetuch was written 800 years after the death of Moses.

Omri | Israelite Dynasty, Dynasty Founder, 9th Century BCE | Britannica

Omri, (reigned 876–869 or c. 884–c. 872 bce), king of Israel, father of Ahab, and founder of a dynasty that remained in power for some 50 years. Omri is mentioned briefly and unfavourably in the Hebrew Bible (1 Kings 16; Micah 6:16). Extrabiblical sources, however, paint a picture of a dynamic and

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[surada]

Why are you bringing in King Omri? he was briefly mentioned unfavorably in the OT. And, where do you get that King Omri did anything to the first two chapters of Genesis? Your scholars are less than serious and probably on drugs.

Omri | Israelite Dynasty, Dynasty Founder, 9th Century BCE | Britannica

Omri, (reigned 876–869 or c. 884–c. 872 bce), king of Israel, father of Ahab, and founder of a dynasty that remained in power for some 50 years. Omri is mentioned briefly and unfavourably in the Hebrew Bible (1 Kings 16; Micah 6:16). Extrabiblical sources, however, paint a picture of a dynamic and

www.britannica.com

 

[surada]

There are two distinct creation stories in Genesis. The first mystical story was put there for the priests and the second was put there for the law givers. Don't try to reconcile them.

This goes into detail about the two creation stories.

Israel’s Two Creation Stories - Article - BioLogos

Pete Enns looks at the discrepancies between the creation stories of Genesis 1 and 2 and argues that there are four good reasons to carefully consider these differences.

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