Zone1 Is Feminism Destroying the West?

[Trickster]

1. I said the error was in your typo-filled writing.

Dork.

2. However, saying conception is not pregnancy IS ALSO an error. If you have conceived, you are at that moment pregnant. That's pretty elementary, but if you want to give a reason as to why that's not true, the floor is yours.

This is not true.

Nearly 50% of fertilizations fail to result in pregnancy.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Dork.

This is not true.

Nearly 50% of fertilizations fail to result in pregnancy.

Indeed.

However, Conception isn't 100% fertilization, although in good faith sometimes people incorrectly use them interchangeably. I've seen "Conception" medically tend to refer to more of the successful implanting of the human zygote into the uterus. I guess I'm fine with using either, and in the end it's a semantical difference that doesn't change anything as far as my claims.

 

[Trickster]

Indeed.

However, Conception isn't fertilization, although in good faith sometimes people incorrectly use them interchangeably. Conception medically refers to the successful implanting of the human zygote into the uterus.

Not even implantation guarantees pregnancy.

Given that you're throwing insults though, I'll just say, maybe know what the F you're talking about before you type. You look like an idiot.

Dork.

 

[Leo123]

Awwww, so much for Force Doctrine, eh?

Dork.

You put clusters of cells above women.

Also, wtf happened to the tough force doctrine preacher from before? All of a sudden you talk about "compassion" and s**t.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Poser.

A zygote is a successfully fertilized egg. It is the earliest stage of human life and development, it is formed at the moment of fertilization and contains a complete set of DNA from the mother and father so it is a unique life. It is one living cell that will start dividing and ultimately create a fully formed human life. It should not be destroyed just because it's inconvenient.

 

[Trickster]

A zygote is a successfully fertilized egg. It is the earliest stage of human life and development, it is formed at the moment of fertilization and contains a complete set of DNA from the mother and father so it is a unique life. It is one living cell that will start dividing and ultimately create a fully formed human life. It should not be destroyed just because it's inconvenient.

This is not just pseudo-science, but also philosophically lazy.

Fertilization is just the very first step out of many steps of human development and one that does not even guarantee pregnancy. If it is indeed human life and thereby has rights, it would mean that a woman is guilty of murder anytime the fertilization does not result in pregnancy.

There are several keywords in your post:
* Earliest stage of development: This implies potential and not actualization. A potential human is not an actual human and rights only peertain to the actual.
*;Single living cell: Correct and humans are not single cell organisms.
* DNA: Completely irrelevant. Corpses have DNA too -- do they have right to life?

 

[Leo123]

This is not just pseudo-science, but also philosophically lazy.

Fertilization is just the very first step out of many steps of human development and one that does not even guarantee pregnancy. If it is indeed human life and thereby has rights, it would mean that a woman is guilty of murder anytime the fertilization does not result in pregnancy.

There are several keywords in your post:
* Earliest stage of development: This implies potential and not actualization. A potential human is not an actual human and rights only peertain to the actual.
*;Single living cell: Correct and humans are not single cell organisms.
* DNA: Completely irrelevant. Corpses have DNA too -- do they have right to life?

The earliest stage of development is the ACTUAL sperm entering the egg and fertilizing it.

I said a single functioning cell is the very definition of life. You said "humans are not single cell organisms." So, what's your point?

We are discussing human development from sperm/egg to zygote and then development through division driven by a life force. We are not discussing corpses.

 

[Company 13]

Cdc.gov study 2015-2018

1. 13.2% of people over 18 used antidepressants

• 17.7% women
• 8.4% men

2. Highest antidepressant use was women over 60 at 24.3%

That doesn't prove there's more depression there is more depression than before. The far right just needs to believe that for some weird reason.

 

[Company 13]

Women today (most but not all) are much more unfulfilled than men because they were brainwashed through 'feminism' that they can be just like men.

I have never met a woman in my long life who wanted to be "just like men."
I admit I enjoy watching misogynists ranting about feminism. Thankfully, most men are decent instead of like you. And we know what your problem is.

 

[Trickster]

The earliest stage of development is the ACTUAL sperm entering the egg and fertilizing it.

I said a single functioning cell is the very definition of life. You said "humans are not single cell organisms." So, what's your point?

We are discussing human development from sperm/egg to zygote and then development through division driven by a life force. We are not discussing corpses.

No, honey. We're discussing when rights begin (personhood) and your position is that DNA determines that which is a ridiculous position. The implication of your stance is also that humans are single cell organisms which is incorrect.

Anti-abortionists need to stop being cowardsvand hide behind the shield of pretend science. Instead you should just own your actual position and say "because God says so."

It's not like contemporary conservative support science anyways. Your queen, Candace Owens. Said it herself - "I'vE lEfT tHe CuLt oF sCiEnCe."

You, my sir, are a poser.

 

[Trickster]

I have never met a woman in my long life who wanted to be "just like men."
I admit I enjoy watching misogynists ranting about feminism. Thankfully, most men are decent instead of like you. And we know what your problem is.

They are basically the misogynist verisions of 2015 Tumblr TERFs.

 

[Trickster]

That doesn't prove there's more depression there is more depression than before. The far right just needs to believe that for some weird reason.

And they ignore that men are less likely to seek help because of toxic masculinity which is a very serious and sad problem that is important to talk about.

 

[Company 13]

And they ignore that men are less likely to seek help because of toxic masculinity which is a very serious and sad problem that is important to talk about.

True.
And I see that I stuttered in my post. I need to proofread from time to time.

 

[Trickster]

True.
And I see that I stuttered in my post. I need to proofread from time to time.

I am visually impaired and make loads of typos, you're not as bad as me.

To the triggered incels: Toxic masculinity is a very legitimate concept. It refers to the negative aspects of what society believes a man ought to be like and truth is that little boys are disencouraged from showing emotions (unless it's anger) which leads evading and surpressing uncomfortable emotions. Bottling up sadness and distress is not healthy.

This very much explains male suicide rates, incel culture and male violence. And why men are not diagnosed with depression to the same rates as women,

Permanently online men are stuck in mid 2010's Gamergate and start screetching at the very sight of the term "toxic masculimity" and it only makes these things worse.

 

[initforme]

It's not the fetus's fault that the mother had sex. Any sex opens up the risk/responsibility of creating a life. Even though I'm morally against contraception due to my Catholic beliefs, I wouldn't force it on others, and that would likely create a better outcome for all involved.

But once the zygote is formed, it's a human life. Preferences and convenience aren't more important than a life... well, Stalin certainly thought so LOL

A married couple using contraception is immoral? How?

 

[Company 13]

Ok, but don't stand in the way of government when it decides to represent the voter's that elected it,

So when the voters wanted segregation, no one should have stood in the way of government making laws to support the dream of segregation?
In fact, standing in the way of government seems like what we ought to do.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

A married couple using contraception is immoral? How?

My Catholic beliefs consider it immoral (if you want to know why we can get into that)… but I wouldn’t try to enforce that via law. All I could do is try to persuade people via theology of the body.

The issue is that once a zygote is formed, it’s a human life. Then, feminists want to use abortion as contraception.. but by then it’s too late.

 

[Trickster]

My Catholic beliefs consider it immoral (if you want to know why we can get into that)… but I wouldn’t try to enforce that via law. All I could do is try to persuade people via theology of the body.

The issue is that once a zygote is formed, it’s a human life. Then, feminists want to use abortion as contraception.. but by then it’s too late.

Honey, this is not true - it's not happening anywhere.

Abortion is not used as a contraceptive or for lols by anyone. Women who have abortions are unwillingly pregnant.

This can be because:

• They do not want children: Should motherhood be a punishment? What type of childhood does the unwanted child have?
• They cannot afford children: You moralized over single mothers and poverty earlier, do you want more of that?
• They were raped: Would you really force a victim to carry to terms?
• They are underage: You think a 14 year old is suitable to be a mom?

Contraceptives are used to prevent pregnancy (and they sometimes fail). Abortion is used to terminate a pregnancy.

The issue with framing this the way you do is that it makes it seem as if women who are in a very vulnerable position have chosen it for lols. But, in reality, no woman is having casual sex carelessly, thinking "whatevaaa, like, I can, like, totally have, like, an abortion anyways." This is just ugly, Catholic slutshaming tecjnoques.

It shows the real reasons behind the anti-abortionist position - you just don't like that women are enjoying sex.

 

[Stryder50]

No, You got something to say? cliff-note that stuff. I'm not gonna waste 20 minutes deciphering some crappy youtube video.

Try hitting the 'transcript' button then skim through the text.

 

[Leo123]

No, honey. We're discussing when rights begin (personhood) and your position is that DNA determines that which is a ridiculous position. The implication of your stance is also that humans are single cell organisms which is incorrect.

Anti-abortionists need to stop being cowardsvand hide behind the shield of pretend science. Instead you should just own your actual position and say "because God says so."

It's not like contemporary conservative support science anyways. Your queen, Candace Owens. Said it herself - "I'vE lEfT tHe CuLt oF sCiEnCe."

You, my sir, are a poser.

DNA defines a unique life. That DNA in the zygote will most likely develop into a fully formed human being. Abortion kills that life and kills any opportunity for that life to become a person. I already schooled you on your stupid single cell argument. Humans are made of probably millions of living cells. Your shallow thinking is obvious. What makes me 'anti-abortion' by schooling you on the scientific facts of human life? No one coronated Candice Owens except maybe you. Calling me names is a childish move. k

 

[Leo123]

I have never met a woman in my long life who wanted to be "just like men."
I admit I enjoy watching misogynists ranting about feminism. Thankfully, most men are decent instead of like you. And we know what your problem is.

Feminism told women they could have careers just like men ignoring their sex altogether. Today, they claim gender is a social identity and that any woman can transgender into a man and visa versa. They claim society is structured to benefit men while ignoring male disadvantages such as having to go to war. They claim women are paid less because of sexism which is false. Feminism devalues family and care giving of children. Calling a man a 'misogynist' is a typical female rant when they have nothing else.