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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.
 

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Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity (simpletoremember.com)
Interesting article. It goes into detail why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah
1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

Many more at link
What do the Christians say to this article?
The only argument i can come up with is, "jews have their own religion wrong" :dunno:
I was bored with the article. It contains a lot of falsehoods mixed with truth.

The difference between The Jew and the Christian is this.

The Jew was made spiritually blind by God Himself when Messiah was "Cut Off and have nothing for Himself" (See Daniel's Prophecy of 490 years or 70 weeks of years 7x70).

Messiah was cut off at the 69th week or 483rd year. That prophecy was accurate right down to the day Jesus entered Jerusalem and was arrested, beaten, and crucified. Prophecy has been in a holding pattern since then. There are only 7 years of prophecy determined upon Israel.

The Jew believes in 2 Messiahs each coming once. Messiah Ben Joseph the suffering savior, and Messiah Ben David the Ruling or Conquering Savior. Some Jews go so far as to dismiss Messiah Ben Joseph being The Son of God, and claim that Israel is The Son of God, and it is Israel that had to suffer for their sins. Partly True, but Israel cannot pay for Israel's Sins. Only a perfect sacrifice could. So they mostly looked for Messiah Ben David, when Jesus came first as Messiah Ben Joseph. They do not recognize this until the end of The Tribulation when 2/3rds of The Jews die and a 1/3rd remnant is saved at the end of the 7 years when they "look upon Him whom they pierced" whose hands were wounded and given Him "in the house of His friends."

Christians believe that Christ is both Messiah Ben Joseph and is returning as Messiah Ben David.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.
 

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Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity (simpletoremember.com)
Interesting article. It goes into detail why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah
1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

Many more at link
What do the Christians say to this article?
The only argument i can come up with is, "jews have their own religion wrong" :dunno:
I was bored with the article. It contains a lot of falsehoods mixed with truth.

The difference between The Jew and the Christian is this.

The Jew was made spiritually blind by God Himself when Messiah was "Cut Off" (See Daniel's Prophecy of 490 years or 70 weeks of years 7x70. Messiah was cut off at the 69th week or 483rd year. Prophecy has been in a holding pattern since then. There are only 7 years of prophecy determined upon Israel.

The Jew believes in 2 Messiahs each coming once. Messiah Ben Joseph the suffering savior, and Messiah Ben David the Ruling or Conquering Savior. Some Jews go so far as to dismiss Messiah Ben Joseph being The Son of God, and claim that Israel is The Son of God, and it is Israel that had to suffer for their sins. Partly True, but Israel cannot pay for Israel's Sins. Only a perfect sacrifice could. So they mostly looked for Messiah Ben David, when Jesus came first as Messiah Ben Joseph. They do not recognize this until the end of The Tribulation when 2/3rds of The Jews die and a 1/3rd remnant is saved at the end of the 7 years when they "look upon Him whom they pierced" whose hands were wounded and given Him "in the house of His friends."

Christians believe that Christ is both Messiah Ben Joseph and is returning as Messiah Ben David.
From where do you get this comic material?
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own, because God does not lie.
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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.
lf God created you, you’re special.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.
You sure aren't bitter. :rolleyes:
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.

The Covenants are two way streets; those Jews who continue to hold up their ends will be the successful ones in the end, and it never was a matter of who your parents were whether or not one is covered by the Covenants; that rubbish was started by the Babylonians using their Persian connections to bully their way into a nice racket, one that has nothing at all to do with fuliflling the covenants, which is why a new one came along and definitively restored the faith, according to the theology' There was no 'secret Torah Only For Jews' whispered into Moses ear; it's complete as written. The Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox and Hasedim are not Jews of the covenants, they're just cults that were invented by Babylonian Jews to set themselves up as royalty and priests, and the only 'pure Jews' racist nonsense is their invention as well. In their latest incarnations, the 2nd Century rabbinical 'Judaism' fabricated by Pharisees who survived the Revolts invented the racist premise that goys are only here as a way for God to punish or reward Jews, and not real people, as defined by themselves of course as being the 'pure Jews'.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.

The Covenants are two way streets; those Jews who continue to hold up their ends will be the successful ones in the end, and it never was a matter of who your parents were whether or not one is covered by the Covenants; that rubbish was started by the Babylonians using their Persian connections to bully their way into a nice racket, one that has nothing at all to do with fuliflling the covenants, which is why a new one came along and definitively restored the faith, according to the theology' There was no 'secret Torah Only For Jews' whispered into Moses ear; it's complete as written. The Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox and Hasedim are not Jews of the covenants, they're just cults that were invented by Babylonian Jews to set themselves up as royalty and priests, and the only 'pure Jews' racist nonsense is their invention as well. In their latest incarnations, the 2nd Century rabbinical 'Judaism' fabricated by Pharisees who survived the Revolts invented the racist premise that goys are only here as a way for God to punish or reward Jews, and not real people, as defined by themselves of course as being the 'pure Jews'.
Google Covenant because almost everybody misunderstands the word.
There are at least 10 Covenants in Tanakh.
It's obvious Christians never read the last few chapters of Deuteronomy because Moshe explains what is happening today and says that despite how far the Children of Israel stray from God, He will take us back; because we're still far more civilized than any other group.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.
You sure aren't bitter. :rolleyes:
Bitterness has nothing to do with my reaction to people who revise history on a publicly accessible Internet forum.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.

Go fuck yourself. you're a liar and just another racist bigot outing himself; and we alreayd know your types of Jewsih bigots are very proud of your sucking up to princes and kings and helping them rape and rob the peasants for many decades, then snivel and pretend to be hapless when they ever rise up and take revenge on you for that. Your own ravings prove it wasn't the church who was oppressing you, moron.
 

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Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity (simpletoremember.com)
Interesting article. It goes into detail why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah
1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

Many more at link
What do the Christians say to this article?
The only argument i can come up with is, "jews have their own religion wrong" :dunno:
I was bored with the article. It contains a lot of falsehoods mixed with truth.

The difference between The Jew and the Christian is this.

The Jew was made spiritually blind by God Himself when Messiah was "Cut Off" (See Daniel's Prophecy of 490 years or 70 weeks of years 7x70. Messiah was cut off at the 69th week or 483rd year. Prophecy has been in a holding pattern since then. There are only 7 years of prophecy determined upon Israel.

The Jew believes in 2 Messiahs each coming once. Messiah Ben Joseph the suffering savior, and Messiah Ben David the Ruling or Conquering Savior. Some Jews go so far as to dismiss Messiah Ben Joseph being The Son of God, and claim that Israel is The Son of God, and it is Israel that had to suffer for their sins. Partly True, but Israel cannot pay for Israel's Sins. Only a perfect sacrifice could. So they mostly looked for Messiah Ben David, when Jesus came first as Messiah Ben Joseph. They do not recognize this until the end of The Tribulation when 2/3rds of The Jews die and a 1/3rd remnant is saved at the end of the 7 years when they "look upon Him whom they pierced" whose hands were wounded and given Him "in the house of His friends."

Christians believe that Christ is both Messiah Ben Joseph and is returning as Messiah Ben David.
From where do you get this comic material?
Did you know Satan is a comic? He loves to make jokes, and laugh and ridicule God's word. He loves to undermine it, reinterpret, and loves to blind people to it's truth.

Maybe you should bone up on Isaiah 43.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.

Go fuck yourself. you're a liar and just another racist bigot outing himself; and we alreayd know your types of Jewsih bigots are very proud of your sucking up to princes and kings and helping them rape and rob the peasants for many decades, then snivel and pretend to be hapless when they ever rise up and take revenge on you for that. Your own ravings prove it wasn't the church who was oppressing you, moron.
Wow! Could you be any more full of shit?
I'd love to see your Links?
Rense?
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.

The Covenants are two way streets; those Jews who continue to hold up their ends will be the successful ones in the end, and it never was a matter of who your parents were whether or not one is covered by the Covenants; that rubbish was started by the Babylonians using their Persian connections to bully their way into a nice racket, one that has nothing at all to do with fuliflling the covenants, which is why a new one came along and definitively restored the faith, according to the theology' There was no 'secret Torah Only For Jews' whispered into Moses ear; it's complete as written. The Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox and Hasedim are not Jews of the covenants, they're just cults that were invented by Babylonian Jews to set themselves up as royalty and priests, and the only 'pure Jews' racist nonsense is their invention as well. In their latest incarnations, the 2nd Century rabbinical 'Judaism' fabricated by Pharisees who survived the Revolts invented the racist premise that goys are only here as a way for God to punish or reward Jews, and not real people, as defined by themselves of course as being the 'pure Jews'.
Google Covenant because almost everybody misunderstands the word.
There are at least 10 Covenants in Tanakh.
It's obvious Christians never read the last few chapters of Deuteronomy because Moshe explains what is happening today and says that despite how far the Children of Israel stray from God, He will take us back; because we're still far more civilized than any other group.

I don't care what bullshit you spread, all one needs to know is already in the OT and NT, and the later history of the bigotry and looting you helped your Muslim buddies inflict on peoples all across Europe. Africa, and India for a couple of thousand years.
 

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Why Don't Jews Believe In Jesus | The difference between Judaism and Christianity (simpletoremember.com)
Interesting article. It goes into detail why Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah
1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES
What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:
A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.


B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID
According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father—and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! (2)

a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.
The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

Many more at link
What do the Christians say to this article?
The only argument i can come up with is, "jews have their own religion wrong" :dunno:
I was bored with the article. It contains a lot of falsehoods mixed with truth.

The difference between The Jew and the Christian is this.

The Jew was made spiritually blind by God Himself when Messiah was "Cut Off" (See Daniel's Prophecy of 490 years or 70 weeks of years 7x70. Messiah was cut off at the 69th week or 483rd year. Prophecy has been in a holding pattern since then. There are only 7 years of prophecy determined upon Israel.

The Jew believes in 2 Messiahs each coming once. Messiah Ben Joseph the suffering savior, and Messiah Ben David the Ruling or Conquering Savior. Some Jews go so far as to dismiss Messiah Ben Joseph being The Son of God, and claim that Israel is The Son of God, and it is Israel that had to suffer for their sins. Partly True, but Israel cannot pay for Israel's Sins. Only a perfect sacrifice could. So they mostly looked for Messiah Ben David, when Jesus came first as Messiah Ben Joseph. They do not recognize this until the end of The Tribulation when 2/3rds of The Jews die and a 1/3rd remnant is saved at the end of the 7 years when they "look upon Him whom they pierced" whose hands were wounded and given Him "in the house of His friends."

Christians believe that Christ is both Messiah Ben Joseph and is returning as Messiah Ben David.
From where do you get this comic material?
Did you know Satan is a comic? He loves to make jokes, and laugh and ridicule God's word. He loves to undermine it, reinterpret, and loves to blind people to it's truth.

Maybe you should bone up on Isaiah 43.
God created existence, and thus, humor.
Satan means Adversary, a spiritual force created and molded for each individual test of a person's awareness of God's presence.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Jews are not a special race. It is because God made a covenant with them, that He will fulfill it and will keep His Covenant with Israel. Not for their sakes, but for His own and for His sheep, because God does not lie.

The Covenants are two way streets; those Jews who continue to hold up their ends will be the successful ones in the end, and it never was a matter of who your parents were whether or not one is covered by the Covenants; that rubbish was started by the Babylonians using their Persian connections to bully their way into a nice racket, one that has nothing at all to do with fuliflling the covenants, which is why a new one came along and definitively restored the faith, according to the theology' There was no 'secret Torah Only For Jews' whispered into Moses ear; it's complete as written. The Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox and Hasedim are not Jews of the covenants, they're just cults that were invented by Babylonian Jews to set themselves up as royalty and priests, and the only 'pure Jews' racist nonsense is their invention as well. In their latest incarnations, the 2nd Century rabbinical 'Judaism' fabricated by Pharisees who survived the Revolts invented the racist premise that goys are only here as a way for God to punish or reward Jews, and not real people, as defined by themselves of course as being the 'pure Jews'.
Google Covenant because almost everybody misunderstands the word.
There are at least 10 Covenants in Tanakh.
It's obvious Christians never read the last few chapters of Deuteronomy because Moshe explains what is happening today and says that despite how far the Children of Israel stray from God, He will take us back; because we're still far more civilized than any other group.

I don't care what bullshit you spread, all one needs to know is already in the OT and NT, and the later history of the bigotry and looting you helped your Muslim buddies inflict on peoples all across Europe. Africa, and India for a couple of thousand years.
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and we alreayd know your types of Jewsih bigots are very proud of your sucking up to princes and kings and helping them rape and rob the peasants for many decades
Wow. You owe me 50 bucks for a new irony meter.
 

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If you believe what the 2nd Century Pharisees fabricated as 'Judaism', you wouldn't know that for a fact, and would reject the post-exilic rubbish and return to the Torah of Moses
What does it mean on practice? Okay, let's assume that some supreme religious body of Judaism decides to get rid of 'post-exilic rubbish' and return to Moses' Torah. What should the first steps be?

Read the Pentateuch and find out for yourself. It's all in writing, and complete, no need to fabricate an alleged' secret Torah' just for Babylonian cultists. What passes for modern 'Orthodox' and ultra-Orthodox 'Judaism' is a 2nd Century A.D. cult invented after the Temple scam was finally destroyed in the revolts.
Let’s put it this way...
Whatever was “Torah Judaism”, in it’s most lenient form prior to Ezra, failed, because almost 100% of Jews assimilated.
Ezra and his court made decisions on how to apply Rabbinical logic and the Jews are still here today.
On the other hand, Rabbinical Jews have never burned anyone at the cross for disagreeing with their decisions.

Actually you're still indoctrinated into believing Jews are a special race, which is why you still buy the post-exilic fantasies. Jews didn't have Kings until Saul and he was chosen by popular acclamation as a war leader and politician, more like a Greek Tyrant position than a 'royal line', and many Jews then rejected the idea of a 'king' and a Temple as well; the Tabernacle and Ark were kept in a tent. The institution of kingship and a big giant Temple are where the alienness started, and it was under the rule of kings and the Temple that Jews failed and lost their lands, not the other way around. The Dual Monarchy certainly didn't go well. The Babylonian captives were the last Jews anybody should listen to about religion and rulership of Jews. Their ridiculous 'racial purity' laws lead them away from universalism to a collection of splintered cults that led to their final acts of mindless arrogance and the loss of their Temple and lands for the next 2,000 years.

And as for Jews killing people your history of murdering Christians isn't hidden well enough for your last claim to fly; your avid partnerships and lucrative alliances with Muslim imperialists is clear evidence, not even counting the mass murders of Christians by Jews ruling what is now Yemen and other atrocities before the rise of Islam came along.
Whatever history book you’re reading was probably published under the 3rd Reich.
If you are referring to Jews who were tortured for 1,000 years under the Church murdering millions of Christians, I suggest you go back in time and advise your Popes to not murder and torture Jews.

yes go run and hide behind the holocaust, as if that somehow granted you and the other bigots a right to lie about your past history of self-inflicted problems. Your own arrogance and insularity and racism is responsible for your failures.
Who needs the Holocaust, you lying piece of shit?
The Church spent a millennia murdering people for gold and pussy.
You think you can suppress people's rights for 1,000 years and not eventually get your ass kicked?
And there's a reason the Popes and Catholic Kings has Jews as Finance Ministers...Jews were educated and pilfered less than illiterate Catholics.
You Mean The Roman Empire's Counterfeit Church, right?

The Roman Empire and it's Counterfeit Church killed as many Christians as They Did Jews. Do not mistake what The Roman Empire either in it's Governmental Form, or Ecclesiastical form did to God's People, Jew, and Christian for The Church.

Christ has no Pope, and has no one sitting on his throne as The Viccar of Christ until His Return. We are to call none Father but God, and None Holy but God. No man, No Pope is Infallible, and only God is perfect in all His ways, His Thoughts, and His Judgments.

The Church and the Jew have been persecuted for 1,000s of years by Rome. The Whore that sits upon The Beast and whose cup is full with the blood of martyrs, and saints has never died, but will be destroyed by The Beast when he is through using her to obtain ultimate power.
 

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