In Politics and Society: Is it Intolerant to be Intolerant of Intolerance?

[koshergrl]

Yeah, it's well known that things have improved in the US since 1965.

"The best available indicator of long-term trends in violence is the murder rate. An American's chance of being murdered was relatively low in the 1950s and early 1960s. It doubled between 1964 and 1974..."

http://prospect.org/article/violent-crime-increasing#main-content

 

[Iceman]

Immigrants from all cultures and races thanks to liberals like Ted Kennedy.

Since 1965. You think the country started then?

No, it just started to change for the better. America actually began to live up to it's tenets.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

A poem written by a socialist immigrant in 1883 represents a tenet of America? LOL

 

[Bfgrn]

Yeah, it's well known that things have improved in the US since 1965.

Are there any human beings you right wingers don't hate other than WASPS?

 

[hunarcy]

Yeah, it's well known that things have improved in the US since 1965.

Have they really? I look back and while there were problems, it seems that people were happier prior to 1963. We didn't seem to have people who were so dedicated to being "offended" and were more willing to work together.

 

[Iceman]

Throughout the 1800s, 5 million Germans came into America over 100 years. Now each year, we let in 1 million(almost all Latin American and Asian immigrants) immigrants alone.

Yea, exactly the same thing, lol.

 

[hunarcy]

Throughout the 1800s, 5 million Germans came into America over 100 years. Now each year, we let in 1 million(almost all Latin American and Asian immigrants) immigrants alone.

Yea, exactly the same thing, lol.

I don't mind anyone coming here from anywhere...everyone deserves a better life. I just object to those who don't come here legally. One of the first things we learn in school is that cutting in line is not fair.

 

[Iceman]

Throughout the 1800s, 5 million Germans came into America over 100 years. Now each year, we let in 1 million(almost all Latin American and Asian immigrants) immigrants alone.

Yea, exactly the same thing, lol.

I don't mind anyone coming here from anywhere...everyone deserves a better life. I just object to those who don't come here legally. One of the first things we learn in school is that cutting in line is not fair.

I do mind, I don't think we need to take in massive amounts of immigrants. One, our economy can't afford it, two, it isn't part of our political tradition of limited primarily european immigration the founders envisioned, and three, the more of the third world we bring in, the more like the third world we will become.

Illegal Immigration is a problem, but just a slice of it.

 

[Montrovant]

Oh and on my way out, I wish to give a shout out and Happy New Year to the mods who did honor my request to leave this in Politics despite the best effort of the trolls to get it busted to the badlands or flame zone. Thank you for that. That did allow it to generate enough reasoned discussion, both pro and con re the OP, to hopefully do a bit of consciousness raising. We got a lot of posts and a lot of looks. So onward to better things. . . .

Is there really much difference between the Politics section and the flame zone?

This is one of the first threads in Politics I have posted in in quite a while precisely because almost every thread in Politics seems to automatically turn into a partisan flame war....

 

[Bfgrn]

Throughout the 1800s, 5 million Germans came into America over 100 years. Now each year, we let in 1 million(almost all Latin American and Asian immigrants) immigrants alone.

Yea, exactly the same thing, lol.

I don't mind anyone coming here from anywhere...everyone deserves a better life. I just object to those who don't come here legally. One of the first things we learn in school is that cutting in line is not fair.

I do mind, I don't think we need to take in massive amounts of immigrants. One, our economy can't afford it, two, it isn't part of our political tradition of limited primarily european immigration the founders envisioned, and three, the more of the third world we bring in, the more like the third world we will become.

Illegal Immigration is a problem, but just a slice of it.

Totally FALSE. Immigrants are among the MOST likely to start a business and hire people.

Immigration Benefits The U.S., So Let's Legalize All Work - Forbes

Attempting to fence off the country is no answer to anything. It would be difficult for a generally free society with extensive borders to close out the rest of the world. Worse, to be effective such controls as ID cards, citizenship checks, workplace raids, employer sanctions, and more would undermine domestic liberties.

Anyway, immigration benefits the U.S. The economic advantages are significant. Many immigrants are natural entrepreneurs, establishing companies, creating jobs, and driving innovation. Well-educated and highly-trained foreign workers are inventive and productive. Expanded work forces increase business flexibility, allowing companies to quickly respond to changing demands. Larger labor forces also encourage specialization. Labor productivity rises as companies adjust to larger work forces and invest in employees.


Can immigration speed the economic recovery? - CBS News

(MoneyWatch) Cities and towns across the U.S. struggling to recover from the Great Recession could benefit from a key force for economic renewal: Immigrants.

Foreign-born residents, who now account for one in eight Americans, are boosting job growth, raising home prices and more broadly helping to revive thousands of economically distressed communities, according to a new report by the Americas Society/Council of the Americas and the Partnership for a New American Economy.

"Immigrants are a key part of the American success story at the community level, revitalizing local areas and creating economic growth and jobs for U.S.-born workers," the report said.

The organizations, whose membership consists mostly of business leaders and city mayors, advocate changing the nation's immigration laws by, among other things, making it easier for high-skilled workers to obtain visas and expanding "guest worker" programs. They are among the bevy of interest groups, from high-tech and agricultural giants to grass-roots advocates, lobbying on immigration reform.

The study, prepared for the groups by Duke public policy and economics professor Jacob Vigdor, assessed the economic impact of immigration on more than 3,000 U.S. counties between 1970 and 2010.

Immigration both creates and saves jobs, the business groups contend. That is especially true for the beaten down manufacturing sector, which has eroded for decades as corporations exported millions of jobs to low-wage countries around the globe and as workers have been replaced by technology.

Immigrants contribute economically by earning and spending money, which benefits local businesses, and by generating tax revenue. The organizations also say immigrants provide companies with a pool of workers whose skills are in short supply in the broader U.S. population. That ready source of domestic labor means employers are less likely to ship jobs abroad.

"For every 1,000 immigrants who live in a county, 46 manufacturing jobs are created or preserved," said Jeremy Robbins, director of the Partnership for a New American Economy, in an interview, adding that communities with higher rates of immigration retain more manufacturing jobs than areas with fewer immigrants

 

[Bfgrn]

In theory, this forum is supposed to be held non-trollable.

Of course, that requires moderation and participation of people who understand the difference.

Report the trolling. That's the only way to maintain the difference, since that's the only way moderation takes place.

BEWARE...the posting police are on this board...CONFORM to their edicts...

 

[Iceman]

In a down economy, immigrants are taking almost all the new jobs, jobs that should be given to Americans first.

Since January 2009:

Foreign-born employment increased by 1.651 million, or by 7.6%. The immigrant employment index rose from 100.0 to 107.6

Native-born employment rose by 26,000 or by 0.02%. The native-born employment index in May 2013 was 100.0, or virtually unchanged from the level of January 2009

National Data | May Jobs: Immigrants Still Far Ahead Of Americans?And Native-Born Hispanics Grab Most New Jobs | VDARE.com

 

[hunarcy]

I do mind, I don't think we need to take in massive amounts of immigrants. One, our economy can't afford it, two, it isn't part of our political tradition of limited primarily european immigration the founders envisioned, and three, the more of the third world we bring in, the more like the third world we will become.

Illegal Immigration is a problem, but just a slice of it.

Well, if you'll remember, it was the Chinese and Irish who built our railroads, so there's some Asian immigrants who complimented the European ones. Perhaps that's the tradition we should follow.

 

[Iceman]

I do mind, I don't think we need to take in massive amounts of immigrants. One, our economy can't afford it, two, it isn't part of our political tradition of limited primarily european immigration the founders envisioned, and three, the more of the third world we bring in, the more like the third world we will become.

Illegal Immigration is a problem, but just a slice of it.

Well, if you'll remember, it was the Chinese and Irish who built our railroads, so there's some Asian immigrants who complimented the European ones. Perhaps that's the tradition we should follow.

Right now, I don't think we need any immigrants until this economy gets back on it's feet. Then we address the issue after the American economy is looked after. Then we should reinstate immigration at lower pre 1965 levels.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You know....if I had to describe what the word "intolerance" meant to a space alien who crash-landed in my back yard......my explaination might include something about using the ignore feature on an anonymous message board.

Hey Willie! Where's the cat?!

 

[hunarcy]

Well he is the poster child for all the worst posters on the board. And he holds the honor for giving me my first rep in the New Year--a neg rep of course--for the OP!!! And oooooh, it really smarts getting a neg rep from somebody I um (cough). . . .oh well, let's just leave it there.

Actually folks, I thank Mac and hunarcy and a few others who really did try to discuss the topic and who are among the few who understood the concept. Even that little bit restores my faith in human nature a bit.

But it is obvious that the trolls are not going to allow any reasoned discussion in this thread--they will continue to utilize all the numbers on that list plus the one I forgot to add to it which is asking the same questions over and over and over no matter how many times those questions are addressed. It is hard to respect that, but oh well. Even idiots need a hobby. So I'm going to move on. I may reintroduce the topic in the CDZ where hopefully those, both left and right, will be interested in the topic. I hope the smart people will join me there.

Happy New Year everybody. It's a brand new year to do it better.

I'll destroy your nonsense in the CDZ too.

As if by example...

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I have no doubt that the Self Feeding Troll will appear that, but apparently his trolling will get him kicked out there. If not, I'll never know...I still have him on ignore.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I'll destroy your nonsense in the CDZ too.

As if by example...

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I have no doubt that the Self Feeding Troll will appear that, but apparently his trolling will get him kicked out there. If not, I'll never know...I still have him on ignore.

You must have him on ignore because you are so tolerant of others.

 

[hunarcy]

In a down economy, immigrants are taking almost all the new jobs, jobs that should be given to Americans first.

Since January 2009:

Foreign-born employment increased by 1.651 million, or by 7.6%. The immigrant employment index rose from 100.0 to 107.6

Native-born employment rose by 26,000 or by 0.02%. The native-born employment index in May 2013 was 100.0, or virtually unchanged from the level of January 2009

National Data | May Jobs: Immigrants Still Far Ahead Of Americans?And Native-Born Hispanics Grab Most New Jobs | VDARE.com

Perhaps that is because immigrants are more willing to take such jobs. Or, they work for less. There has to be a reason beyond "they're immigrants".

 

[Statistikhengst]

^^^^ Anyone? Does anyone here know exactly what GLAAD did?^^^^^^

Don't quote me, but rumor has it they force-fed a diabetic a candy cane.

Oh, now you did it.

Now all the RWNJs are gonna froth at the mouth en masse.

 

[koshergrl]

They appreciate the opportunities a lot more than the entitlement losers who are raised here.

Plus they haven't been subjected to uber-progressive educations that have taught them that it's cruel to expect people to work in order to make their way in the world.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Interesting to note that our resident Nazi, Iceman, spread a lot of junk on this thread, but apparently, that is all just hunky dory with FoxFyre.

Fascinating.

Calls Lefties trolls. Is silent when a Nazi spreads hate. Another shining moment for the Right.

Sometimes, facts can really hurt.