In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

[Ray From Cleveland]

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

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What is that supposed to prove? What is that supposed to make an argument for? There is no need for laws?

To make the point that gun laws won't disarm the criminal element, it will only disarm the law abiding citizens. Ever see the John Stossel video of him trying to get a CCW license in New York city? Took him months, hundreds of dollars, and they still refused to allow him to carry a gun. Think the gang members went through the same process and when denied, decided not to carry guns?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Here is a fact to consider: When has a homegrown nut ever gone on a killing spree with a single-shot .22?

Here's a fact to consider: how many people successfully defended themselves against an armed criminal with a single-shot .22?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the neighbor would have been prohibited his gun, why would the shooter have his own?

We have sown the seeds of high power firearms. Now we must reap the whirlwind.

For the same reason convicted felons have firearms for their crimes today. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are created. All laws do is stop good people from getting firearms. The criminals will always have them. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Events like this are good business for the NRA.

We will never see a real solution to gun violence in this country as long as we allow companies and organizations to influence our politicians through financial donations.

As long as we allow the NRA to buy our politicians off we will never do anything about this. Ever.

So where does the NRA get their money from? That's right, citizens who support their organization.

Welcome to the real world of politics. The NRA is no different than the countless unions that contribute to the Democrat party, the many environmental organizations that contribute to the Democrat party, the millions that trial lawyers contribute to the Democrat party.

Ok and?

I want all political donations banned. No politicians should be able to have policy decisions influenced because someone gave them money.

Those organizations represent thousands or millions of people. People give their money to those organizations to promote their cause. Are you saying the people should not have influence over the representatives outside of voting?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So who said a good guy with a gun is a guarantee to stop a bad guy with a gun? Nobody. They said the "only way" to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun; no guarantee offered.

Ignoring completely the concept of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys because it might make it harder for you to access firearms.

Fine. You show me a foolproof method for keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys, and you have my support. The only reason I make this offer is because it's impossible to do. Recreational narcotics have been illegal my entire life, and we have worse problem today with drugs than any other time in this country.

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

.

What is that supposed to prove? What is that supposed to make an argument for? There is no need for laws?

To make the point that gun laws won't disarm the criminal element, it will only disarm the law abiding citizens. Ever see the John Stossel video of him trying to get a CCW license in New York city? Took him months, hundreds of dollars, and they still refused to allow him to carry a gun. Think the gang members went through the same process and when denied, decided not to carry guns?

Who is disarmed by a background check?

 

[NightFox]

I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Good luck with that ....

The authoritarian, anti-right of self defense fanatics aren't interested in facts, they're just interested in making sure everyone but the government and criminals are defenseless.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Good luck with that ....

The authoritarian, anti-right of self defense fanatics aren't interested in facts, they're just interested in making sure everyone but the government and criminals are defenseless.

We have to let violent, dangerous, lunatics legally buy guns to protect your right to own one?

Interesting.

 

[NightFox]

I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Good luck with that ....

The authoritarian, anti-right of self defense fanatics aren't interested in facts, they're just interested in making sure everyone but the government and criminals are defenseless.

We have to let violent, dangerous, lunatics legally buy guns to protect your right to own one?

Interesting.

Yes that is an "interesting" proposal that you've come up with, one wonders why you would want to drop the existing legal prohibitions against allowing "violent, dangerous, lunatics" legally buying guns.

Is it because you're not aware that it's already illegal for "violent, dangerous lunatics" to buy guns, yet apparently the "violent, dangerous lunatics" don't care about the law and buy them anyways?

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" -- Albert Einstein

 

[jon_berzerk]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

Is that the best deflection you can do?
Did the shooter use an illegal gun?

it was illegal for him to have it

so it is no deflection shit for brains

 

[Crixus]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

1. no it wouldn’t. Eric Holder proved that. Way to many guns to be had and with our Mexican boarded the way it is all #1 would do is make guns cost more, and full auto leagally would be a moot point.

2.duh.

3.hm.

4. Okay so what does that mean for gun ownership?

5.hm.

 

[OldLady]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

It would drastically reduce them. Why do you think they started using vans in Europe?

 

[jon_berzerk]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

It would drastically reduce them. Why do you think they started using vans in Europe?

the gun was legal the guy had it had it illegally

banning guns does not stop bad guys from having guns

are you another one who believes (wrongly so) that criminals will obey laws

just a little sample of a daily occurrence of illegal and banned firearms

Dozens arrested, more than 50 illegal firearms seized in federal sting operation across Norfolk

Rapper T.I. arrested on machine gun charges, misses BET show - CNN.com

http://nypost.com/2017/03/08/massive-gun-bust-is-biggest-in-brooklyn-history-authorities/

who can forget this anti gun democrat

California Senate’s Top Gun Control Advocate Arrested In Firearms Trafficking Plot


California Senate's Top Gun Control Advocate Arrested In Firearms Trafficking Plot | HuffPost

your fallacy is just that a fallacy

banning guns from law abiding folks does not make you safer

it makes you vulnerable

 

[Timmy]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

I’m so tired of this BS Reasoning . Would you say the same about illiegal immigration ?

Stay on topic tard.

Point out the bs instead of trying to change the subject

That is the topic! You only hear the “well what can you do?” Argument wh gun nuts .

 

[RDD_1210]

Events like this are good business for the NRA.

We will never see a real solution to gun violence in this country as long as we allow companies and organizations to influence our politicians through financial donations.

As long as we allow the NRA to buy our politicians off we will never do anything about this. Ever.

So where does the NRA get their money from? That's right, citizens who support their organization.

Welcome to the real world of politics. The NRA is no different than the countless unions that contribute to the Democrat party, the many environmental organizations that contribute to the Democrat party, the millions that trial lawyers contribute to the Democrat party.

Ok and?

I want all political donations banned. No politicians should be able to have policy decisions influenced because someone gave them money.

Those organizations represent thousands or millions of people. People give their money to those organizations to promote their cause. Are you saying the people should not have influence over the representatives outside of voting?

Yes, that is what I am saying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.

that dont stop illegal guns

It would drastically reduce them. Why do you think they started using vans in Europe?

the gun was legal the guy had it had it illegally

banning guns does not stop bad guys from having guns

are you another one who believes (wrongly so) that criminals will obey laws

just a little sample of a daily occurrence of illegal and banned firearms

Dozens arrested, more than 50 illegal firearms seized in federal sting operation across Norfolk

Rapper T.I. arrested on machine gun charges, misses BET show - CNN.com

http://nypost.com/2017/03/08/massive-gun-bust-is-biggest-in-brooklyn-history-authorities/

who can forget this anti gun democrat

California Senate’s Top Gun Control Advocate Arrested In Firearms Trafficking Plot


California Senate's Top Gun Control Advocate Arrested In Firearms Trafficking Plot | HuffPost

your fallacy is just that a fallacy

banning guns from law abiding folks does not make you safer

it makes you vulnerable

This guy should never have been able to buy a gun legally and the law should be, quite simply,

if YOU sell this guy a gun,

YOU go to jail.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Good luck with that ....

The authoritarian, anti-right of self defense fanatics aren't interested in facts, they're just interested in making sure everyone but the government and criminals are defenseless.

We have to let violent, dangerous, lunatics legally buy guns to protect your right to own one?

Interesting.

Yes that is an "interesting" proposal that you've come up with, one wonders why you would want to drop the existing legal prohibitions against allowing "violent, dangerous, lunatics" legally buying guns.

Is it because you're not aware that it's already illegal for "violent, dangerous lunatics" to buy guns, yet apparently the "violent, dangerous lunatics" don't care about the law and buy them anyways?

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" -- Albert Einstein

You're an idiot. In Texas a private seller has no obligation to do a background check on the buyer, and therefore has no obligation to know whether or not the buyer is legally eligible to buy a gun,

and therefore has no liability in the matter if he goes ahead and sells that person a gun, no questions asked.

Why don't you want to fix that?

 

[NightFox]

I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

Good luck with that ....

The authoritarian, anti-right of self defense fanatics aren't interested in facts, they're just interested in making sure everyone but the government and criminals are defenseless.

We have to let violent, dangerous, lunatics legally buy guns to protect your right to own one?

Interesting.

Yes that is an "interesting" proposal that you've come up with, one wonders why you would want to drop the existing legal prohibitions against allowing "violent, dangerous, lunatics" legally buying guns.

Is it because you're not aware that it's already illegal for "violent, dangerous lunatics" to buy guns, yet apparently the "violent, dangerous lunatics" don't care about the law and buy them anyways?

"The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" -- Albert Einstein

You're an idiot. In Texas a private seller has no obligation to do a background check on the buyer, and therefore has no obligation to know whether or not the buyer is legally eligible to buy a gun,

and therefore has no liability in the matter if he goes ahead and sells that person a gun, no questions asked.

LOL, You're the one that proposed getting rid of existing federal background check requirements in order to let "violent, dangerous lunatics" "legally buy guns" as a requirement to allowing citizens to acquire the means to exercise their natural right of self defense.

Why don't you want to fix that?

Because I'd rather see the root cause addressed rather than attempting to "fix" the symptoms by creating an even more lucrative black market for firearms while at the same time infringing upon the rights of peaceful citizens.

Why are you so focused on government coercion as the sole means to "solve" every problem?

 

[LaDexter]

Those who support gun control are fascists.

They don't like being called fascists, but that is what they are.

Fascists confiscate guns.

So do leftists and Zionists.

 

[Slyhunter]

So who said a good guy with a gun is a guarantee to stop a bad guy with a gun? Nobody. They said the "only way" to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun; no guarantee offered.

Ignoring completely the concept of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys because it might make it harder for you to access firearms.

Fine. You show me a foolproof method for keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys, and you have my support. The only reason I make this offer is because it's impossible to do. Recreational narcotics have been illegal my entire life, and we have worse problem today with drugs than any other time in this country.

Show me a foolproof method for keeping cars, or cooker bombs out of the hands of bad guys and you might have an argument to stand on.