In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

[Brain357]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

Other countries have the human condition. Those with gun control don't have regular mass killings. It seems guns and the condition combined are quite the problem. We should at the very least heavily regulate guns for mass killings like we do machine guns. We should have kept the high capacity magazine and assault weapon bans.

 

[francoHFW]

If the neighbor would have been prohibited his gun, why would the shooter have his own?

We have sown the seeds of high power firearms. Now we must reap the whirlwind.

For the same reason convicted felons have firearms for their crimes today. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are created. All laws do is stop good people from getting firearms. The criminals will always have them. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

 

[JoeB131]

the gun was legal the guy had it had it illegally

banning guns does not stop bad guys from having guns

Well, yeah, except for all the countries that have banned guns and bad guys can't get them.... Except those.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the neighbor would have been prohibited his gun, why would the shooter have his own?

We have sown the seeds of high power firearms. Now we must reap the whirlwind.

For the same reason convicted felons have firearms for their crimes today. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are created. All laws do is stop good people from getting firearms. The criminals will always have them. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

He never went insane either.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We should have kept the high capacity magazine and assault weapon bans.

Do you know why they didn't keep the assault weapons ban? Because it didn't produce any results.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you know why they didn't keep the assault weapons ban? .

Because the NRA bought congress.

 

[bendog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

Seriously, you embarrassed yourself sufficiently with the "guy stopped the killings with a rifle" thread. Take a shot of vodka and two aspirins and turn in.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

Seriously, you embarrassed yourself sufficiently with the "guy stopped the killings with a rifle" thread. Take a shot of vodka and two aspirins and turn in.

 

[jon_berzerk]

the gun was legal the guy had it had it illegally

banning guns does not stop bad guys from having guns

Well, yeah, except for all the countries that have banned guns and bad guys can't get them.... Except those.

liar

 

[whitehall]

Typically ignorant democrats get away with a cliche. What do they mean by "gun control" ? They don't even know. The democrat Mayor of Chicago (who ironically has more killings on a summer weekend) once coined the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste". Democrats don't give a damn about the carnage, especially to Christian Churches, all they want is a political issue.

 

[francoHFW]

If the neighbor would have been prohibited his gun, why would the shooter have his own?

We have sown the seeds of high power firearms. Now we must reap the whirlwind.

For the same reason convicted felons have firearms for their crimes today. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are created. All laws do is stop good people from getting firearms. The criminals will always have them. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

He never went insane either.

He was on psychiatric care and drugs...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For the same reason convicted felons have firearms for their crimes today. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws are created. All laws do is stop good people from getting firearms. The criminals will always have them. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CRIMINALS!!!!!

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

He never went insane either.

He was on psychiatric care and drugs...

So what? Everybody that has a shrink should not be allowed to own a firearm?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Typically ignorant democrats get away with a cliche. What do they mean by "gun control" ? They don't even know. The democrat Mayor of Chicago (who ironically has more killings on a summer weekend) once coined the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste". Democrats don't give a damn about the carnage, especially to Christian Churches, all they want is a political issue.

Especially after the Vegas shooting. They were running around saying "we need to do something!" Okay, what would you like to do to stop things like this? "Anything!"

They meant it too. Do anything whether it helps the problem or not, just take action for the sake of taking action.

 

[francoHFW]

That's so stupid since if they're illegal they can be taken away from the criminals and put them away and there are also many mental cases buying guns like the guy in Las Vegas and if we had a good background system they wouldn't be able to buy them. You're brainwashed dupe arguments are ridiculous...

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

He never went insane either.

He was on psychiatric care and drugs...

So what? Everybody that has a shrink should not be allowed to own a firearm?

You always have to go off the deep end, like all GOP people? Of course not.

 

[francoHFW]

Typically ignorant democrats get away with a cliche. What do they mean by "gun control" ? They don't even know. The democrat Mayor of Chicago (who ironically has more killings on a summer weekend) once coined the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste". Democrats don't give a damn about the carnage, especially to Christian Churches, all they want is a political issue.

Especially after the Vegas shooting. They were running around saying "we need to do something!" Okay, what would you like to do to stop things like this? "Anything!"

They meant it too. Do anything whether it helps the problem or not, just take action for the sake of taking action.

Bulshit. How about banning bump stocks?

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, Mr. OP, how's that heading off debate thing working out for you?

 

[Lewdog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

I used a gun and thank God I didn't get 30 years.

 

[Slyhunter]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

30 years is too much if they haven't pulled the trigger. facing 30 years it would be smarter for them to kill all the witnesses in the hope of getting away with it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

And i cant speak to your reformed question but the number is VERY low regardless of weapons.