In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

[Brain357]

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

Sounds like a very different time. We have too many parents now working multiple jobs. Home is very important in education.

 

[Lewdog]

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

Show me where I can find such stats and I'll show them to you.

I'll stick to "probably" while you stick to "assumptions." Assumptions such as lack of education is less the student than it is the teachers and buildings.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

Sounds like a very different time. We have too many parents now working multiple jobs. Home is very important in education.

I couldn't agree more. The real problem with education is home and not the schools. I used to see it here all the time. My neighbor bought a portable basketball hoop. Before you knew it, all the neighborhood kids were here. If I didn't stop them, they'd be playing basketball until midnight. A few times I had to call the cops to stop them.

So how is it that kids can stay out that late playing games all night long and no parent intrusion? When I was a kid, you were home before dark no if's and's or but's about it; especially during the school year. Then when these kids grow up dumb as Fk, they blame the schools and society.

 

[Lewdog]

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

Show me where I can find such stats and I'll show them to you.

I'll stick to "probably" while you stick to "assumptions." Assumptions such as lack of education is less the student than it is the teachers and buildings.

Assumptions? I told you EXACTLY the true that inner city schools get less funding, and the factors that lead to youth becoming criminals, one of which evolves around not getting an education.

Your whole argument revolves around kids being taught how to be good people should happen in schools. That's ******* ridiculous. Not all kids live in Mayberry.

 

[Lewdog]

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

Sounds like a very different time. We have too many parents now working multiple jobs. Home is very important in education.

I couldn't agree more. The real problem with education is home and not the schools. I used to see it here all the time. My neighbor bought a portable basketball hoop. Before you knew it, all the neighborhood kids were here. If I didn't stop them, they'd be playing basketball until midnight. A few times I had to call the cops to stop them.

So how is it that kids can stay out that late playing games all night long and no parent intrusion? When I was a kid, you were home before dark no if's and's or but's about it; especially during the school year. Then when these kids grow up dumb as Fk, they blame the schools and society.

Oh man good for you! You called the cops on kids playing basketball...

For ****'s sake they could be out doing drugs and breaking the law, and you thought it was more important to call the cops to stop them from playing basketball.

You ******* loser.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

Sounds like a very different time. We have too many parents now working multiple jobs. Home is very important in education.

I couldn't agree more. The real problem with education is home and not the schools. I used to see it here all the time. My neighbor bought a portable basketball hoop. Before you knew it, all the neighborhood kids were here. If I didn't stop them, they'd be playing basketball until midnight. A few times I had to call the cops to stop them.

So how is it that kids can stay out that late playing games all night long and no parent intrusion? When I was a kid, you were home before dark no if's and's or but's about it; especially during the school year. Then when these kids grow up dumb as Fk, they blame the schools and society.

Oh man good for you! You called the cops on kids playing basketball...

For ****'s sake they could be out doing drugs and breaking the law, and you thought it was more important to call the cops to stop them from playing basketball.

You ******* loser.

Uhhh, yeah. I have to get up at 5:00 am, and I don't need to be losing sleep so lowlife kids can play basketball 20 feet from my bedroom window at 11:00 pm when they should be home with their parent. We put up with it all afternoon and early evening. They least they can do is stop it so the rest of us can enjoy the late evening for an hour or two........loser.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

Show me where I can find such stats and I'll show them to you.

I'll stick to "probably" while you stick to "assumptions." Assumptions such as lack of education is less the student than it is the teachers and buildings.

Assumptions? I told you EXACTLY the true that inner city schools get less funding, and the factors that lead to youth becoming criminals, one of which evolves around not getting an education.

Your whole argument revolves around kids being taught how to be good people should happen in schools. That's ******* ridiculous. Not all kids live in Mayberry.

And yet you have nothing to prove that more money equals better education. The US spends more per capita on education than any other industrialized country in the world, yet have only mediocre results to show for it. So what's the liberals solution? Throw even more money at it.

 

[Lewdog]

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

Sounds like a very different time. We have too many parents now working multiple jobs. Home is very important in education.

I couldn't agree more. The real problem with education is home and not the schools. I used to see it here all the time. My neighbor bought a portable basketball hoop. Before you knew it, all the neighborhood kids were here. If I didn't stop them, they'd be playing basketball until midnight. A few times I had to call the cops to stop them.

So how is it that kids can stay out that late playing games all night long and no parent intrusion? When I was a kid, you were home before dark no if's and's or but's about it; especially during the school year. Then when these kids grow up dumb as Fk, they blame the schools and society.

Oh man good for you! You called the cops on kids playing basketball...

For ****'s sake they could be out doing drugs and breaking the law, and you thought it was more important to call the cops to stop them from playing basketball.

You ******* loser.

Uhhh, yeah. I have to get up at 5:00 am, and I don't need to be losing sleep so lowlife kids can play basketball 20 feet from my bedroom window at 11:00 pm when they should be home with their parent. We put up with it all afternoon and early evening. They least they can do is stop it so the rest of us can enjoy the late evening for an hour or two........loser.

Then be a man... go out and ask the kids to stop because you have to sleep. Instead you called the cops. ******* stupid.

When you called the cops you then gave those kids a negative view of the cops as an enemy... when instead you could have take the opportunity to actually be a ******* neighbor and teach them the responsibility o being an adult.

Too bad you can't be consistent in your argument.

 

[Lewdog]

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

Show me where I can find such stats and I'll show them to you.

I'll stick to "probably" while you stick to "assumptions." Assumptions such as lack of education is less the student than it is the teachers and buildings.

Assumptions? I told you EXACTLY the true that inner city schools get less funding, and the factors that lead to youth becoming criminals, one of which evolves around not getting an education.

Your whole argument revolves around kids being taught how to be good people should happen in schools. That's ******* ridiculous. Not all kids live in Mayberry.

And yet you have nothing to prove that more money equals better education. The US spends more per capita on education than any other industrialized country in the world, yet have only mediocre results to show for it. So what's the liberals solution? Throw even more money at it.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a school with less money, that can't afford better equipment, and afford more programs including after school ones... are not going to be able give a better education to their students.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How about locking trigger guards and open carry?

Protect more children and let others have the option of getting away from possible gunfire.


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[Old Rocks]

It is what we are...'MURICA!

We are not "'MURICA!" we are the People of the United States of America that have the right to defend ourselves accordingly in most states of the 'Union'.

So you need a machine gun to defend yourself? I did so successfully with a single shot shotgun, and their were ten of them. Once they realized that at least one was going to catch a load of 00 buckshot, they decided the game was not worth the candle.

The assault rifles should be allowed only to those that can pass the vetting for a license for a machine gun, for that is what they are.

 

[Lewdog]

How about locking trigger guards and open carry?

Protect more children and let others have the option of getting away from possible gunfire.


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I say make all games random. All guns fire only once, and you don't know what will happen. It may shoot a bullet, OR it may just shoot out a sign that says "Bang." It would make it less likely someone would use a gun to commit a crime.

 

[RodISHI]

It is what we are...'MURICA!

We are not "'MURICA!" we are the People of the United States of America that have the right to defend ourselves accordingly in most states of the 'Union'.

So you need a machine gun to defend yourself? I did so successfully with a single shot shotgun, and their were ten of them. Once they realized that at least one was going to catch a load of 00 buckshot, they decided the game was not worth the candle.

The assault rifles should be allowed only to those that can pass the vetting for a license for a machine gun, for that is what they are.

I disagree with your precepts.

 

[Dschrute3]

It's all about disarming populations. It's a major part of the NWO Global Elite agenda. They won't stop trying to disarm. They need an unarmed defenseless population. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat/Communist vs. Conservative. It's about the New World Order. We'll see if Americans stand strong and defend their Constitution. Time will tell.

 

[Lewdog]

It's all about disarming populations. It's a major part of the NWO Global Elite agenda. They won't stop trying to disarm. They need an unarmed defenseless population. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat/Communist vs. Conservative. It's about the New World Order. We'll see if Americans stand strong and defend their Constitution. Time will tell.

I hate to break this to you, but if you think owning an AR rifle is going to help you defeat the U.S. military if they come knocking on your door, you are completely bent. We aren't talking about 5 guys with single shot muskets knocking on your door anymore.

 

[Dschrute3]

It's all about disarming populations. It's a major part of the NWO Global Elite agenda. They won't stop trying to disarm. They need an unarmed defenseless population. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat/Communist vs. Conservative. It's about the New World Order. We'll see if Americans stand strong and defend their Constitution. Time will tell.

I hate to break this to you, but if you think owning an AR rifle is going to help you defeat the U.S. military if they come knocking on your door, you are completely bent. We aren't talking about 5 guys with single shot muskets knocking on your door anymore.

I'm willing to defend our Constitution. I'll take my chances being armed, rather than unarmed. That's how our Founding Fathers felt too.

 

[Lewdog]

It's all about disarming populations. It's a major part of the NWO Global Elite agenda. They won't stop trying to disarm. They need an unarmed defenseless population. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat/Communist vs. Conservative. It's about the New World Order. We'll see if Americans stand strong and defend their Constitution. Time will tell.

I hate to break this to you, but if you think owning an AR rifle is going to help you defeat the U.S. military if they come knocking on your door, you are completely bent. We aren't talking about 5 guys with single shot muskets knocking on your door anymore.

I'm willing to defend our Constitution. I'll take my chances being armed, rather than unarmed. That's how our Founding Fathers felt too.

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[Ray From Cleveland]

How about locking trigger guards and open carry?

Protect more children and let others have the option of getting away from possible gunfire.


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I say make all games random. All guns fire only once, and you don't know what will happen. It may shoot a bullet, OR it may just shoot out a sign that says "Bang." It would make it less likely someone would use a gun to commit a crime.

It would make it less likely you would be able to defend yourself too. The idea of having equal firepower to a criminal is so that you stand a chance at making it out alive.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.

See there is a difference between you saying things like "probably" and me showing you actual stats.

Show me where I can find such stats and I'll show them to you.

I'll stick to "probably" while you stick to "assumptions." Assumptions such as lack of education is less the student than it is the teachers and buildings.

Assumptions? I told you EXACTLY the true that inner city schools get less funding, and the factors that lead to youth becoming criminals, one of which evolves around not getting an education.

Your whole argument revolves around kids being taught how to be good people should happen in schools. That's ******* ridiculous. Not all kids live in Mayberry.

And yet you have nothing to prove that more money equals better education. The US spends more per capita on education than any other industrialized country in the world, yet have only mediocre results to show for it. So what's the liberals solution? Throw even more money at it.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a school with less money, that can't afford better equipment, and afford more programs including after school ones... are not going to be able give a better education to their students.

Oh please. How much money do you think parents spend who home school their children? If money produced results, we would have the most educated kids on the planet. Do you know what kind of equipment our school had? A desk and a teacher.