In light of the Texas church massacre I want to head off the gun control debate with a few facts.

[Lewdog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

I used a gun and thank God I didn't get 30 years.

That's the point. Some on this forum think locking up people that make mistakes for 30 years, wasting tax dollars and taking away the chances for individuals to become contributing members of society.

 

[Slyhunter]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

I used a gun and thank God I didn't get 30 years.

I remember heading to the woods with my rifle to go hunt refrigerators. Some bully came up to me and threatened to slice me up with a knife. I laughed at him, you know I have a gun right? Under your rules that might've gotten me 30 years.

Another time, while hunting targets in the woods, I stumbled upon a construction site and saw something curious in the distance. I zoomed in with my scope to see what it was. It was a cop. I turned around walked out of sight and tossed the rifle into a thorn bush. The cop came by and wanted to know what I was pointing at him with. I shrugged my shoulders and said a stick. He drove away. That might've gotten me 30 years too. In your world.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

I used a gun and thank God I didn't get 30 years.

That's the point. Some on this forum think locking up people that make mistakes for 30 years, wasting tax dollars and taking away the chances for individuals to become contributing members of society.

It's not a fair comparison tho. I'v lived it they haven't. Humans fear what they can't relate to.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Typically ignorant democrats get away with a cliche. What do they mean by "gun control" ? They don't even know. The democrat Mayor of Chicago (who ironically has more killings on a summer weekend) once coined the phrase "never let a crisis go to waste". Democrats don't give a damn about the carnage, especially to Christian Churches, all they want is a political issue.

Especially after the Vegas shooting. They were running around saying "we need to do something!" Okay, what would you like to do to stop things like this? "Anything!"

They meant it too. Do anything whether it helps the problem or not, just take action for the sake of taking action.

Bulshit. How about banning bump stocks?

What would that do? They have only been used once in a major crime and I doubt anybody would use them again given the percentage of failure. Most of the Vegas shooters guns jammed from excessive heat that the gun was not designed for.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Idiot. They Vegas guy bought his guns legally with a background check. Until he flipped out, he was a regular citizen with no reason for a dealer not to sell him a gun.

Here in New York they take away people's guns when they go insane... What the hell is wrong with you people?

He never went insane either.

He was on psychiatric care and drugs...

So what? Everybody that has a shrink should not be allowed to own a firearm?

You always have to go off the deep end, like all GOP people? Of course not.

Okay, what are you trying to say then? At most, this guy was depressed from losing money in Vegas. Should that have been reported to authorities who would in return put him on a black list of some kind?

 

[Aletheia4u]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

Cocaine is banned here in the States. But it is all around us. To ban something will only bring it into the blackmarket and which the ones that had the ban to be placed on the item can even sell it for an higher price. And which the government will control those that bought the blackmarket item. And so now the person that bought the blackmarket item to protect themselves, that pretty soon that person will be dishing out a lot of money so that they can stay out of jail for defending themselves. That is the only reason why the government bans stuff. It is to make money from off of the citizens. But I can see that it is taboo to talk about psych meds that are causing people to kill. But nobody doesn't want to place a ban on that. I wonder why? Anyone that shoots up a place must have some mental issues. But that is always being ignored. They like to focus on the item that the mentally ill person use, rather than what makes them tick. An mentally insane person can make anything into a weapon.

 

[Lewdog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

 

[Rustic]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

Execute violent criminals

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

"Deterrent" is a falsehood.
As an ex convict I can tell you that of the many dozens of crimes I committed I NEVER considered the consequences.
What most prisons don't provide that makes the difference is rehabilitation.
Teach a trade or a specific skill so when people like me are released they have more to rely on than just their old habits.

 

[Lewdog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

 

[Lewdog]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

"Deterrent" is a falsehood.
As an ex convict I can tell you that of the many dozens of crimes I committed I NEVER considered the consequences.
What most prisons don't provide that makes the difference is rehabilitation.
Teach a trade or a specific skill so when people like me are released they have more to rely on than just their old habits.

Well see that is the issue, it cost more to rehabilitate, and Conservatives don't want to spend more money, nor do they want criminals to leave prison with some kind of self-improvement. They want prison to simply be punishment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

 

[Lewdog]

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

 

[g5000]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

 

[Brain357]

1. The only thing that would cut down on this kind of shit is a complete gun ban coordinated with a confiscation program.
1a. That is a literal impossiility for two reasons. The constitution & there are more guns in the wild than citizens.

2. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS.

3.People who go into some kind of rage based on emotions DO NOT THINK THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH.

4. Focus your anger/outrage where it can actually have a positive outcome. Our problems do not stem from the gun, they stem from the human condition and all the complications that go with it.

5. Remember point number 1.

So what do you think of the people on this forum that say if a person uses a gun in a crime they should go to jail for a mandatory 30 years? Also given your personal experience, how often do criminals use guns and then are reformed?

People are only looking for a solution to a problem. A guy robs a store using a gun and gets maybe five years in prison. Many don't believe it's a strong enough deterrent.

"Deterrent" is a falsehood.
As an ex convict I can tell you that of the many dozens of crimes I committed I NEVER considered the consequences.
What most prisons don't provide that makes the difference is rehabilitation.
Teach a trade or a specific skill so when people like me are released they have more to rely on than just their old habits.

We definitely don't do much for rehabilitation.
Why Norway's prison system is so successful

 

[Lewdog]

And most of those people have probably ever spent more than a night in prison.

It cost the tax payer between $20,000-50,000 a year per inmate to keep them in a state or federal prison depending on the security level and state. In California it is $70,000.

People want to ***** about giving health care, housing, and food stamps to people, but then would rather pay to lock up people who often commit crime because they don't have those things.

Irony.

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you don't have those things, then the solution is to work for them, not get a gun and take them from people. However we feel the same way about housing, food stamps and other things. If you need something, get a job, make money and pay for them like the rest of us do.

Sounds simple doesn't it? Except when you live in a city that doesn't pay a livable wage... and your heroes are the drug dealers in your neighborhood because they are the only people succeeding.

That's not a failure of our society, that's a failure of our education system. When I was younger I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs. When I couldn't make it, I simply worked more hours. If the place I was working for didn't have more hours, I found a second job. But I never had to take anything from anybody.

So it's not theory, it's experience. The lower paying jobs did not turn me into a criminal, it made me want to try harder is all.

The failure in our education system is not showing them you don't have to be a rap artist, good at sports, or a drug dealer to make it in life. Ask any kid in school what they know about investments, and you'll draw a blank look on their face. Ask them what a CD is; no, not the kind that has music on it. Ask them what they know about starting their own business. Ask if they know what a PE ratio is in stocks. Ask them what they know about real estate or the commodities market. Ask them what compound interest is for crying out loud.

Schools should be teaching kids these kids of things, especially in areas where no hope is the theme. There is hope for everybody and opportunity as well no matter what neighborhood you come from. This is America damn it.

If you think that is the answer, you are blind as a bat. There is a reason why inner city schools don't get as much funding as others most of the time, and numbers back up everything I have to say about that.

When it comes to a juvenile becoming a criminal there are three huge factors to it.

#1. Do they come from a deficient household with either a single parent or two parents who do not parent well
#2. Does the child live in poverty
#3. Did they get a high school diploma or a GED

Two-parent middle-class families can usually teach their children stuff that the schools don't teach, so you are correct, single-parent families are at a disadvantage that way. That's why I said the school should pickup up where the family left off.

At least over here, schools are funded by the local taxpayers. If you want more money to go to the schools, pass a tax levy increase.

No. Passing the buck has never, and will never solve that problem, especially when kids are going to school in the inner city with teachers that don't give a shit because they are getting paid less than teachers at other schools... and they have 50 students in their class. What it seems like you want is re-education camps, not schools.

If you go to any successful suburban school, trade all the students to one of those inner-city schools you speak of, you probably wouldn't notice any reduction of learning. Conversely, take those inner-city kids and put them in that now vacant suburban school, they wouldn't learn anything more and probably destroy the school on top of it. You can lead a horse to water.........

It's not the buildings and it's not the teachers, its the students. Most of my elementary education was in a private Catholic school. Not many college educated nuns there. Mostly just women who joined the religion. Back then, I would have challenged any public school against our class.

We had one classroom. No lunch room, no school busses, no gymnasium, no air conditioning. Our class was 45 people, but the nuns didn't complain because they could teach 45 as well as 5. Of course they didn't belong to a union where the more teachers, the stronger the union which is the only reason union teachers complain about class size.