Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

So government is one big game of revenge? What an asshole.

And government should only get involved when the dispute is big enough and can have a big enough impact to be warranted. This is not a case of that.

Don't you figure that is the key to the left? Their entire premise for life is the quest for petty revenge for some unknown slight that they suffered at the hands of their betters?

Press a leftist long enough and sooner or later they will declare that they are going to "make them pay." The leftist rarely knows who the "they" is that they seek revenge against, and they NEVER know what it is that they seek revenge for, but the motive power of the left is envy-fueled rage.

JoeB Stalin is a perfect example.
 
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant should be able to do so, and deal with the repercussions. What is more likely though is the owner wouldn't even notice it and have a chance to have a choice of asking them not to dine. Dining is dining, unless you are celebrating something that the owner does not want celebrated in his venue. Why can a hall deny a Klan meeting but not a gay wedding?

Forcing someone to provide a service they do not want to provide, or giving them the choice of going out of business is about as reprehensible as a person can get. that you wear the mantle of justice for some strange reason while advocating it is disturbing in and of itself.
The Klan is a criminal enterprise. Are homosexuals criminal by merely being a homosexual?

The New Mexico Supreme Court already addressed this hypothetical in their ruling which ruled against the photographer...and the SCOTUS did not take up, leaving the lower court ruling as the final ruling:

Elane Photography also suggests that enforcing the NMHRA against it would mean that an African-American photographer could not legally refuse to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the NMHRA. See § 28-1-7(F) (prohibiting public accommodation discrimination based on “race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap”). Therefore, an African-American could decline to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. However, the point is well-taken when the roles in the hypothetical are reversed—a Ku Klux Klan member who operates a photography business as a public accommodation would be compelled to photograph an African-American under the NMHRA. This result is required by the NMHRA, which seeks to promote equal rights and access to public accommodations by prohibiting discrimination based on certain specified protected classifications.

However, adoption of Elane Photography’s argument would allow a photographer who was a Klan member to refuse to photograph an African-American customer’s wedding, graduation, newborn child, or other event if the photographer felt that the photographs would cast African-Americans in a positive light or be interpreted as the photographer’s endorsement of African-Americans. A holding that the First Amendment mandates an exception to public accommodations laws for commercial photographers would license commercial photographers to freely discriminate against any protected class on the basis that the photographer was only exercising his or her right not to express a viewpoint with which he or she disagrees. Such a holding would undermine all of the protections provided by antidiscrimination laws.

You didn't include the ruling that gives Elane a method to avoid working for same sex couples.

"The NMHRA does not mandate that Elane Photography choose to take wedding pictures; that is the exclusive choice of Elane Photography."

Elane wasn't forced to photograph same sex couples. Elane was forced to change business practices and advertising.
 
So there are zero people you find "icky" and would not want to associate with?
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant should be able to do so, and deal with the repercussions. What is more likely though is the owner wouldn't even notice it and have a chance to have a choice of asking them not to dine. Dining is dining, unless you are celebrating something that the owner does not want celebrated in his venue. Why can a hall deny a Klan meeting but not a gay wedding?

Forcing someone to provide a service they do not want to provide, or giving them the choice of going out of business is about as reprehensible as a person can get. that you wear the mantle of justice for some strange reason while advocating it is disturbing in and of itself.
The Klan is a criminal enterprise. Are homosexuals criminal by merely being a homosexual?

The Klan is only a criminal enterprise when they perform Criminal acts, murder, robbery, assault, etc. They are not criminal for their belief structure. Just being in the Klan does not make you a criminal.
 
So government is one big game of revenge? What an asshole.

And government should only get involved when the dispute is big enough and can have a big enough impact to be warranted. This is not a case of that.

That depends on what you consider a big deal. I think this is a big enough deal for them to get involved.

Frankly, guy, you sound like a bully who just ran into someone who can beat him up.

The only bullies are on your side nowadays, using government to get other people's lunch money.
 
and the government should not interfere in said "irrelevant" perception unless some serious shit would be caused by it. A gay couple having to go somewhere else for a cake is not serious shit.

What is unconstitutional is government saying, you can hide your morals, but try to live up to them in public and we will fine your ass, bwahaahahaha!!!!

Hey, you are more than able to keep your religious beliefs "in the closet". That's what the gays had to do for decades.

Again with the revenge thing. Its all about being a petty **** for you, isn't it?
 
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant should be able to do so, and deal with the repercussions. What is more likely though is the owner wouldn't even notice it and have a chance to have a choice of asking them not to dine. Dining is dining, unless you are celebrating something that the owner does not want celebrated in his venue. Why can a hall deny a Klan meeting but not a gay wedding?

Forcing someone to provide a service they do not want to provide, or giving them the choice of going out of business is about as reprehensible as a person can get. that you wear the mantle of justice for some strange reason while advocating it is disturbing in and of itself.
The Klan is a criminal enterprise. Are homosexuals criminal by merely being a homosexual?

The New Mexico Supreme Court already addressed this hypothetical in their ruling which ruled against the photographer...and the SCOTUS did not take up, leaving the lower court ruling as the final ruling:

Elane Photography also suggests that enforcing the NMHRA against it would mean that an African-American photographer could not legally refuse to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the NMHRA. See § 28-1-7(F) (prohibiting public accommodation discrimination based on “race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap”). Therefore, an African-American could decline to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. However, the point is well-taken when the roles in the hypothetical are reversed—a Ku Klux Klan member who operates a photography business as a public accommodation would be compelled to photograph an African-American under the NMHRA. This result is required by the NMHRA, which seeks to promote equal rights and access to public accommodations by prohibiting discrimination based on certain specified protected classifications.

However, adoption of Elane Photography’s argument would allow a photographer who was a Klan member to refuse to photograph an African-American customer’s wedding, graduation, newborn child, or other event if the photographer felt that the photographs would cast African-Americans in a positive light or be interpreted as the photographer’s endorsement of African-Americans. A holding that the First Amendment mandates an exception to public accommodations laws for commercial photographers would license commercial photographers to freely discriminate against any protected class on the basis that the photographer was only exercising his or her right not to express a viewpoint with which he or she disagrees. Such a holding would undermine all of the protections provided by antidiscrimination laws.

Again, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. If the government supports your viewpoint, you can use it to punish others. If not, they can go **** themselves. You all harp about equal protection under the law, this is a glaring example of the law not being equal, of it being manipulated by assholes like you to punish people you do not like.
 
Anyone who doesn't want to deal with anyone they find icky is a very lonely person indeed.

So there are zero people you find "icky" and would not want to associate with?
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant serves a homosexual couple that comes in, sits down and places their order. The bakery boxes up the cupcakes whether the couple is heterosexual or homosexual. No one has told them no. The vendors simply by virtue of their appearance at a same sex event advertise their approval of such an event. There is a difference between going out to a restaurant and sitting down, and bringing that vendor to your location. Having that vendor's name on his or her personal product is an advertisement for future business. It is an advertisement specifically to a subset of the population that the vendor does not wish to target in his advertising program. It is forced speech. Not only is the speech forced, there is no way for the vendor to deny the speech forced from his mouth. Every picture the photographer takes is a statement of expertise. Every bite of wedding cake advertises the baker's talent. Every song the singer sings is an advertisement of quality of work. At a same sex event, all that advertising is directed to same sex couples indicating a willingness to accept their business.
Vendors for wedding services are hired and paid. Their presence at an affair is not a commercial imprimatur, rather it is simply plying their trade.
 
So there are zero people you find "icky" and would not want to associate with?
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant serves a homosexual couple that comes in, sits down and places their order. The bakery boxes up the cupcakes whether the couple is heterosexual or homosexual. No one has told them no. The vendors simply by virtue of their appearance at a same sex event advertise their approval of such an event. There is a difference between going out to a restaurant and sitting down, and bringing that vendor to your location. Having that vendor's name on his or her personal product is an advertisement for future business. It is an advertisement specifically to a subset of the population that the vendor does not wish to target in his advertising program. It is forced speech. Not only is the speech forced, there is no way for the vendor to deny the speech forced from his mouth. Every picture the photographer takes is a statement of expertise. Every bite of wedding cake advertises the baker's talent. Every song the singer sings is an advertisement of quality of work. At a same sex event, all that advertising is directed to same sex couples indicating a willingness to accept their business.
Vendors for wedding services are hired and paid. Their presence at an affair is not a commercial imprimatur, rather it is simply plying their trade.

Why does that matter, again, where is the benefit in forcing these people to participate in something they do not want to? What does getting paid to do it change?
 
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To seek to codify the ignorance and hate advocated by the bible is the true idiocy – in addition to being un-Constitutional.

That some might perceive homosexuality as 'sinful' is subjective, unsubstantiated, and legally irrelevant.

Saul, that Manila law school you went to after finding it advertised in the back of a match book failed to teach you about something we call "The Constitution of the United States." You see, it's doesn't make any difference that you hate Christians, they are guaranteed by something we call the "1st Amendment" the freedom to their own beliefs - even though you hate them. When you pass laws which compel people at the barrel of a gun to violate their beliefs - EVEN WHEN YOU HATE THOSE BELIEFS, then that law is what we call "unconstitutional."

I realize these are all brand new concepts which you've never been exposed to before, Saul - but after the last election, we will revert to the law of the land, so you might want to study up on them.
 
Vendors for wedding services are hired and paid. Their presence at an affair is not a commercial imprimatur, rather it is simply plying their trade.

And because they are your slaves, you are justified using force to make them ply their trade against their will.

democrats, democrats never change.
 
Sure...but in my business, I have no choice. I provide services for any law-abiding, tax-paying citizen tho many of them I would rather have nothing to do with for various reasons. It's business. Perhaps you are unaware of that being a PA requirement.

Do they all up and out say they don't like gay people? do they make you attend a celebration of not liking gay people?
It might, at first glance, to be merely semantic, but you keep saying wedding vendors are forced to "attend" same sex weddings. There is a difference between 'attending' a wedding and 'working' a wedding. The vendors are just plying their trade. They are not required, nor requested to approve of the happy couple.

Could a restaurantuer refuse service to a walki in four top of homosexuals? I wonder what that restaurantuer's attitude might be on a slow Tuesday night? But the maitre d does not sidle up to the table, the sommelier doesn't bring an extra glass and make a toast.

And wedding vendors, with the exception of the waiters and bartenders and musical entertainment should be invisible. It's the bride's day, not the day for a vendor to grant his empremator even on the occasion.

A restaurant serves a homosexual couple that comes in, sits down and places their order. The bakery boxes up the cupcakes whether the couple is heterosexual or homosexual. No one has told them no. The vendors simply by virtue of their appearance at a same sex event advertise their approval of such an event. There is a difference between going out to a restaurant and sitting down, and bringing that vendor to your location. Having that vendor's name on his or her personal product is an advertisement for future business. It is an advertisement specifically to a subset of the population that the vendor does not wish to target in his advertising program. It is forced speech. Not only is the speech forced, there is no way for the vendor to deny the speech forced from his mouth. Every picture the photographer takes is a statement of expertise. Every bite of wedding cake advertises the baker's talent. Every song the singer sings is an advertisement of quality of work. At a same sex event, all that advertising is directed to same sex couples indicating a willingness to accept their business.
Vendors for wedding services are hired and paid. Their presence at an affair is not a commercial imprimatur, rather it is simply plying their trade.

Why does that matter, again, where is the benefit in forcing these people to participate in something they do not want to? What does getting paid to do it change?
Hiring a caterer is suddenly forcing them to participate in my wedding? All I want is 150 servings of chicken cordon bleu and 150 servings of salmon croquettes. I don't want the serving staff to join the father-daughter dance or to offer up a toast. I want them to ply their trade and nothing else.

If I am accused of forcing them to work, what will next weekend's clients be accused of? Forcing them to accept a check?

Wedding vendors DO NOT PARTICIPATE nor are they asked to approve of each and every event they facilitate.
 
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The Klan is only a criminal enterprise when they perform Criminal acts, murder, robbery, assault, etc. They are not criminal for their belief structure. Just being in the Klan does not make you a criminal.

But it DOES make you a scumbag!

Of course the same could be said about belonging to the democratic party. :dunno:
 
Vendors for wedding services are hired and paid. Their presence at an affair is not a commercial imprimatur, rather it is simply plying their trade.

And because they are your slaves, you are justified using force to make them ply their trade against their will.

democrats, democrats never change.
"Slaves"? I guess the flimsier the argument the wilder the hyperbole.
 
"Slaves"? I guess the flimsier the argument the wilder the hyperbole.

You force others to labor against their will.

That is slavery - something democrats and leftists ALWAYS advocate in the end.

People will work for one of two reasons, the promise of reward or the fear of punishment. All that leftists ever offer is fear of the whip. You pass immoral and unconstitutional laws which compel others to work against their will for fear of consequence - what name other than "slavery" do you attach? What lie do you tell to mask what you're doing?
 
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"Slaves"? I guess the flimsier the argument the wilder the hyperbole.

You force others to labor against their will.

That is slavery - something democrats and leftists ALWAYS advocate in the end.

People will work for one of two reasons, the promise of reward or the fear of punishment. All that leftists ever offer is fear of the whip. You pass immoral and unconstitutional laws which compel others to work against their will for fear of consequence - what name other than "slavery" do you attach? What lie do you tell to mask what you're doing?
Those poor poor victims. Wedding slavery! OMIGOD!
 
"Slaves"? I guess the flimsier the argument the wilder the hyperbole.

You force others to labor against their will.

That is slavery - something democrats and leftists ALWAYS advocate in the end.

People will work for one of two reasons, the promise of reward or the fear of punishment. All that leftists ever offer is fear of the whip. You pass immoral and unconstitutional laws which compel others to work against their will for fear of consequence - what name other than "slavery" do you attach? What lie do you tell to mask what you're doing?
Do homosexuals actually buy the body, mind and spirit of a DJ for their wedding? Do homosexuals pay their bills?

If a DJ does not want to be a DJ, that DJ has made some regrettable decisions. Decisions like "Should I be a DJ?"

Bakers, caterers, photographers, florists, gown makers and venue owners are in the business of supplying goods and services, not to be "enslaved". Does every other client see these vendors as "slaves" or is this a ham handed attempt to interject hyperbole to bolster a crappy argument and rationalize bigotry?
 
Those poor poor victims. Wedding slavery! OMIGOD!

You are at war against civil rights. The primary weapon you have is that no one names what it is, precisely that you are doing. You and I both know that defeating you is as simple as plainly stating what you demand.

If you seek to use the threat of force to compel others to labor against their will, I will state the truth - that you are enslaving others.
 
Do homosexuals actually buy the body, mind and spirit of a DJ for their wedding? Do homosexuals pay their bills?

If a DJ does not want to be a DJ, that DJ has made some regrettable decisions. Decisions like "Should I be a DJ?"

Bakers, caterers, photographers, florists, gown makers and venue owners are in the business of supplying goods and services, not to be "enslaved". Does every other client see these vendors as "slaves" or is this a ham handed attempt to interject hyperbole to bolster a crappy argument and rationalize bigotry?

If you compel others to labor against their will, based on the threat of force, then the name of that is slavery.

There are no weasel words that can alter this fact. You seek to enslave others to your will.
 
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