No business owner has claimed its against their faith to engage in commerce with a homosexual. None. Don't you understand that by now?
Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding
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ChrisL
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JoeB131
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That depends on what you consider a big deal. I think this is a big enough deal for them to get involved.
Frankly, guy, you sound like a bully who just ran into someone who can beat him up.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
People are forced to do things that they think are immoral all the time, guy.
Pacifists are drafted into the military and forced to pay for wars.
I mean, shit, if you want to go that route, we can make Religion the ultimate get out of jail free card.
"Why'd you kill him?"
"He was raking leaves on Sunday,and violating God's commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy!"
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Naw, that fights over, man. Romney went down in flames.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Hey, you are more than able to keep your religious beliefs "in the closet". That's what the gays had to do for decades.
David Jeffrey Spetch
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All the millions if not billions wasted on homosexual activist lies. These people don't deserve a fine, they deserve a medal for standing against a complete mockery!
A natural repulsion is not an irrational fear. Homosexuals go on and on about homosexuality being natural yet they call heterosexuals being naturally repulsed by homosexuality (we are not bi sexual and we are not homosexual, we are heterosexual and in part because we are naturally repulsed with the thought of having sex with those born with the same sex genital we ourselves are born with.) But for being naturally repulsed homosexual activists want to make you out to be a monster with every lie and deception that they can possibly fathom like making up the lie known as homophobe and again that is based upon a bunch of liars and deceivers calling a natural repulsion an irrational fear. That along with false claims of discrimination.
Feel free to come join me on a thread just created and can be found here on this very forum:
How Homosexual Activists For Now Got Away With Making A Mockery Of Marriage US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Homosexual activists avoided the primary fact about marriage to make their lies and deceptions the issue to create corrupt legislation based upon every lie and deception they could possibly fathom. Some of them just became scholars just so they could start trying to make every gay relationship recorded throughout history a marriage because they are using every lie and deception that they can possibly fathom to try and hide the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honored with marriage proves that marriage is about honoring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we owe our very existence which is quite obviously worth honoring.
If it were up to gays to sustain the population w would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honor in that?
which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.
As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that was marriage was created for and in honor of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.
Marriage:
Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honored with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honoring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honor of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honor of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honoring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honor in that?
The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honoring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honored with marriage.
They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honors the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance us such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activist demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.
They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!
You prove to the world that homosexuality equals heterosexuality and you have a case but you never will because one does not equal the other no matter how much you choose to ignore this simple fact.
Marriage will soon be restored to a respectable state that it was created for and in honor of globally thus ending this short lived mockery that homosexuals activists have managed to make of it in only a couple of countries where homosexual activists managed to hide the primary fact of what marriage is behind an onslaught of homosexual activist lies and deceptions upon weaker minded parliamentarians.
My pleasure to play a primary role in restoring marriage to a respectable state.
love
David Jeffre Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
A natural repulsion is not an irrational fear. Homosexuals go on and on about homosexuality being natural yet they call heterosexuals being naturally repulsed by homosexuality (we are not bi sexual and we are not homosexual, we are heterosexual and in part because we are naturally repulsed with the thought of having sex with those born with the same sex genital we ourselves are born with.) But for being naturally repulsed homosexual activists want to make you out to be a monster with every lie and deception that they can possibly fathom like making up the lie known as homophobe and again that is based upon a bunch of liars and deceivers calling a natural repulsion an irrational fear. That along with false claims of discrimination.
Feel free to come join me on a thread just created and can be found here on this very forum:
How Homosexual Activists For Now Got Away With Making A Mockery Of Marriage US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Homosexual activists avoided the primary fact about marriage to make their lies and deceptions the issue to create corrupt legislation based upon every lie and deception they could possibly fathom. Some of them just became scholars just so they could start trying to make every gay relationship recorded throughout history a marriage because they are using every lie and deception that they can possibly fathom to try and hide the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honored with marriage proves that marriage is about honoring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we owe our very existence which is quite obviously worth honoring.
If it were up to gays to sustain the population w would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honor in that?
which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.
As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that was marriage was created for and in honor of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.
Marriage:
Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honored with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honoring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honor of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honor of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honoring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honor in that?
The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honoring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honored with marriage.
They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honors the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance us such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activist demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.
They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!
You prove to the world that homosexuality equals heterosexuality and you have a case but you never will because one does not equal the other no matter how much you choose to ignore this simple fact.
Marriage will soon be restored to a respectable state that it was created for and in honor of globally thus ending this short lived mockery that homosexuals activists have managed to make of it in only a couple of countries where homosexual activists managed to hide the primary fact of what marriage is behind an onslaught of homosexual activist lies and deceptions upon weaker minded parliamentarians.
My pleasure to play a primary role in restoring marriage to a respectable state.
love
David Jeffre Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
JoeB131
Diamond Member
You know, they've done studies where they've determined that high-grade homophobes like yourself are really latent homosexuals.
Took some homophobes, put sensors on their wangs and showed them gay porn. Guess who got a woodie?
It would explain a lot.
Maybe their alternative stimulative was Moochelle Obama. I guess they had to choose one....
-Geaux
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Again, I honestly hope the Obamas pay you rent on all that space they occupy in your head.
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
Yes, they are wrong (there are still people that believe interracial marriage is a sin)...but the anti gay bigots using the bible to justify their bigotry are just as wrong. Both sets of bigots, however, feel they are equally justified.
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
The New Mexico Supreme Court already addressed this hypothetical in their ruling which ruled against the photographer...and the SCOTUS did not take up, leaving the lower court ruling as the final ruling:
Elane Photography also suggests that enforcing the NMHRA against it would mean that an African-American photographer could not legally refuse to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the NMHRA. See § 28-1-7(F) (prohibiting public accommodation discrimination based on “race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap”). Therefore, an African-American could decline to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. However, the point is well-taken when the roles in the hypothetical are reversed—a Ku Klux Klan member who operates a photography business as a public accommodation would be compelled to photograph an African-American under the NMHRA. This result is required by the NMHRA, which seeks to promote equal rights and access to public accommodations by prohibiting discrimination based on certain specified protected classifications.
However, adoption of Elane Photography’s argument would allow a photographer who was a Klan member to refuse to photograph an African-American customer’s wedding, graduation, newborn child, or other event if the photographer felt that the photographs would cast African-Americans in a positive light or be interpreted as the photographer’s endorsement of African-Americans. A holding that the First Amendment mandates an exception to public accommodations laws for commercial photographers would license commercial photographers to freely discriminate against any protected class on the basis that the photographer was only exercising his or her right not to express a viewpoint with which he or she disagrees. Such a holding would undermine all of the protections provided by antidiscrimination laws.
However, adoption of Elane Photography’s argument would allow a photographer who was a Klan member to refuse to photograph an African-American customer’s wedding, graduation, newborn child, or other event if the photographer felt that the photographs would cast African-Americans in a positive light or be interpreted as the photographer’s endorsement of African-Americans. A holding that the First Amendment mandates an exception to public accommodations laws for commercial photographers would license commercial photographers to freely discriminate against any protected class on the basis that the photographer was only exercising his or her right not to express a viewpoint with which he or she disagrees. Such a holding would undermine all of the protections provided by antidiscrimination laws.
Yes simpleton, I'm an anarchist. I got it, you mentioned that. That's as much brain function as you have. You're set for a role as an extra on the walking dead and all you have to do is be yourself.
As for fraud, I'm a minarchist and I have that covered both with criminal and civil enforcement. I'm referring to the gap between small government libertarian and socialist. Seriously, you people set such a high bar for yourselves. You want ROADS, you get MARXISM. What a dumb ass.
So you got a defense of government beyond what I already support or you just going with that?
Pop23
Gold Member
One was right, the other wrong. Delusions did not make blacks skin color different.
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
Both are wrong, but both believe equally that they are right. Same bigots, different target.
Pop23
Gold Member
Nope, a black man was discriminated against due to a slight variation of skin color.
That variation was not due to the delusions of the Man.
Nosmo King
Gold Member
This flimsy shield of 'delusion' just isn't cutting the mustard. Your misunderstanding of human sexuality is leading your argument to an indefensible position. Just because you fail to grasp the science, the sociological impact, the truth about homosexuality does not give you claim to drive the argument with your ignorance.
If you continue to claim that a life long commitment to a member of the opposite sex is, in your opinion, delusional, you will in fact continue to expose your attitude as uneducated at best, horribly bigoted and ignorant at worst. Either way, inaccuracies and ignorance is no defense while rationalizing discrimination.
A restaurant serves a homosexual couple that comes in, sits down and places their order. The bakery boxes up the cupcakes whether the couple is heterosexual or homosexual. No one has told them no. The vendors simply by virtue of their appearance at a same sex event advertise their approval of such an event. There is a difference between going out to a restaurant and sitting down, and bringing that vendor to your location. Having that vendor's name on his or her personal product is an advertisement for future business. It is an advertisement specifically to a subset of the population that the vendor does not wish to target in his advertising program. It is forced speech. Not only is the speech forced, there is no way for the vendor to deny the speech forced from his mouth. Every picture the photographer takes is a statement of expertise. Every bite of wedding cake advertises the baker's talent. Every song the singer sings is an advertisement of quality of work. At a same sex event, all that advertising is directed to same sex couples indicating a willingness to accept their business.
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