Ignorant Homophobes fined $13,000 for refusing to host wedding

Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

Yes, how dare you actually say that these public accomedation laws that have been on the books for 50 years actually apply to the homos!

It's an assault on freedom, I tell you. Freeeeeeeedom.

Just once, I'd like to see a conservative have a definition of "freedom" that doesn't involve treating other people like shit.
 
Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

Yes, how dare you actually say that these public accomedation laws that have been on the books for 50 years actually apply to the homos!

It's an assault on freedom, I tell you. Freeeeeeeedom.

Just once, I'd like to see a conservative have a definition of "freedom" that doesn't involve treating other people like shit.

Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

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Ok, if they insist I will get Pedro in the kitchen to drop a load in the punch bowl and then stuff the cake with pubes.

You get what you pay for

-Geaux

Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

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Dropping a turd in the punch bowl and stuffing a wedding cake with pubic hairs is not "voicing and opinion".


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Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

Yes, how dare you actually say that these public accomedation laws that have been on the books for 50 years actually apply to the homos!

It's an assault on freedom, I tell you. Freeeeeeeedom.

Just once, I'd like to see a conservative have a definition of "freedom" that doesn't involve treating other people like shit.

I really don't care about other people Joe. Can't see them from my house.

-Geaux
 
Ok, if they insist I will get Pedro in the kitchen to drop a load in the punch bowl and then stuff the cake with pubes.

You get what you pay for

-Geaux

Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

.


Dropping a turd in the punch bowl and stuffing a wedding cake with pubic hairs is not "voicing and opinion".


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Perhaps you didn't understand my point.

I'll try to make it even more simple.

I said, clearly, "in the first place". Back when they first dared to say what they think.

Got it now?

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Ok, if they insist I will get Pedro in the kitchen to drop a load in the punch bowl and then stuff the cake with pubes.

You get what you pay for

-Geaux

Oh, the couple would love that. They'd be hoping for it.

Then they could punish the business owners even more with a lawsuit and outright ruin them for voicing their opinion in the first place.

Intimidation, punishment, control, submission.

Watch every word you say. After all, this is America.

.


Dropping a turd in the punch bowl and stuffing a wedding cake with pubic hairs is not "voicing and opinion".


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fysa- It wasn't a turd going into the punch bowl. Instead, baby batter

-Geaux
 
Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.


I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

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What's the uproar? Gay marriage is legal in NY. The couple was refused reasonable accommodations by a company that serves the public. No different than if they refused to serve a couple in wheelchairs.

If you want to run a business, do it within the realm of the law. It's that simple.

.... unless, of course, the law is wrong. Then, you have a civic responsibility to oppose it.
Change the law.....get enough people to agree with you to repeal the law. It's that simple.

Duh ! And, just how do you do that?

You start by getting the error identified and publicized ... welcome to the real world.

Oh, you think the public is stupid and doesn't realize these laws exist, is that it?

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I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

I'm perfectly content that homophobes are shutting the **** up and going away.
 
The only thing I hate is people using government to force others to do things they don't want to do when it comes to non essential chickenshit like this.

A person providing a wedding cake is providing a direct service, not just baking 20 cakes and putting them on a display. In that case the person's sexuality would never even come up.

the owner of that business has no problem demanding police and fire protection, secure bank accounts insured by the government to do transactions, roads so customers can get to his shop, infrastructure to provide gas, water and electricity to his shop, and all the other accurements of civilization to make his business possible.

I mean, seriously, putting young couples thousands of dollars into debt when they are just starting out is probably not what Jesus had in mind, but man, don't force them to provide services to homos.

He pays for all of that crap. I don't get the concept that we are beholden to government just because we allow it to exist to provide basic services.

and utilities, while regulated by government, are often not government, so you can stop with that crap.

You don't get to say how people relate to Jesus, or Allah, or Buddha, no matter how much you want to be a dictatorial asshat.
 
Yes they should sell the statue. Once the price is paid, it's entirely up to the customer what they should do with their purchase. It is, after all, a statue, not a relic.

What about a DJ who plays for a bar party on Friday night where homosexuals are dancing to a lively three song set by the Indigo Girls, and then the DJ packs up his gear for a Saturday afternoon same sex wedding. He may hate the idea of playing at a same sex wedding. But he played last night for a crowd including homosexuals.

Is a wedding any different? Are marriages only legitimate if the vendors who service that wedding approve?

So he should be forced to sell the statue, one he knows will be desecrated? YOUR morality doesn't care about the statue, THEIRS just might. Who are you to judge them, and more importantly, what right does government have to rule on them?

And yes, a wedding is different. Most people who think homosexuality is sinful do not care if people are all gay and stuff, what they care about is being forced to participate in something that they find sinful, or yes, even repulsive. A DJ at a party that is not all about gayness (which a gay wedding is) may not even notice the frolicing around, and besides the point, being gay is not the crux of the celebration. a gay wedding is all about that.
Do 'Christian' merchants post a "No Desecration" policy in their stores? Once the purchase is made, the business owner does no bear any responsibility for how or where their merchandise is used. Does the Satanist have the right to express his religious freedom? Should the store owner monitor how the artifacts he is selling are used? Is there any business with such a burden?

And what fears motivate the bigots you defend? Are they afraid that, by supplying their services for a same sex wedding, that some of that Gay might rub off either actually or by reputation? Must these ignorant, uttedrly stupid homophobic merchants approve of each and every wedding they service?

The business owners bears the responsibility to themselves and to their God if they knowingly sell something they know will be desecrated, just like they may feel responsible morally for contributing or participating in something they find immoral. Why should it be up to government to force them to either acquiesce or perish? Why is having a certain baker/hall/photographer so important that we have to threaten people with massive fines to force compliance?

I don't care what motivates these people to not want to participate in this stuff. What i care about is assholes like you who feel you have the right to use government to force them to accept YOUR moral compass over theirs or face government mandated repercussions.


thats what this is really about, government mandated thought control and punishment for violating the government definition of political correctness.

it amazes me that the libs cannot see this for what it is.
I'll wager that you've heard the expression 'Your rights extend from the tip of your finger to the tip of your neighbor's nose'. In other words, your rights do not include eroding mine.

What effect do you suppose being discriminated against bring? Can you imagine a world where you yourself might be turned away simply because of who you are? At a small, hometown business, what would you feel about being told 'No' for some immutable reason about your physical status, your race, your nation of origin or, your most personal attribute, your sexuality?

If it's still hip to slam gays, do you think it's right to similarly slam any other group?

Conservatives always strive to keep the division going. They put up the resistence to Civil Rights, Women's Rights, and worker's rights. Is it any surprise they will defend a bigot over a homosexual?

So if you are part of a protected class your rights trump others? By forcing them to provide a service, you are breaking the very rule you created. But I get it, its because you hate the people the government is ******* over, so that makes it OK.

People get denied for things all the time because of who they are. Ask those assholes standing on line at a club that lets pretty people in before normal people, or a person bad a baseball being unable to make a pro team, or someone with a criminal record being denied a job. Some of these are because of who they are, some are because of what they did, or cannot do. In the end all you are doing is saying some people deserve more rights than others, and for me, who you like to bugger at night does not elevate you to a class that gets protected from everyone that does not like you, or what you do.
 
Who used the word freedom?

Ol' Joe just loves to pull stuff out of nowhere to make a point.

Always a good sign.

You don't have a point. Just man up, admit you were on the losing end of a stupid argument, and move on.


I don't know why you get so upset.

You agree with me that, in America today, you'd better watch what you say or you'll be punished for your beliefs.

You're perfectly content that people are being intimidated and controlled, less and less willing to speak their minds.

Rejoice! You have it just the way you want it.

Yes, you have won! Be a gracious winner. If you can.

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Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?
 
So he should be forced to sell the statue, one he knows will be desecrated? YOUR morality doesn't care about the statue, THEIRS just might. Who are you to judge them, and more importantly, what right does government have to rule on them?

And yes, a wedding is different. Most people who think homosexuality is sinful do not care if people are all gay and stuff, what they care about is being forced to participate in something that they find sinful, or yes, even repulsive. A DJ at a party that is not all about gayness (which a gay wedding is) may not even notice the frolicing around, and besides the point, being gay is not the crux of the celebration. a gay wedding is all about that.
Do 'Christian' merchants post a "No Desecration" policy in their stores? Once the purchase is made, the business owner does no bear any responsibility for how or where their merchandise is used. Does the Satanist have the right to express his religious freedom? Should the store owner monitor how the artifacts he is selling are used? Is there any business with such a burden?

And what fears motivate the bigots you defend? Are they afraid that, by supplying their services for a same sex wedding, that some of that Gay might rub off either actually or by reputation? Must these ignorant, uttedrly stupid homophobic merchants approve of each and every wedding they service?

The business owners bears the responsibility to themselves and to their God if they knowingly sell something they know will be desecrated, just like they may feel responsible morally for contributing or participating in something they find immoral. Why should it be up to government to force them to either acquiesce or perish? Why is having a certain baker/hall/photographer so important that we have to threaten people with massive fines to force compliance?

I don't care what motivates these people to not want to participate in this stuff. What i care about is assholes like you who feel you have the right to use government to force them to accept YOUR moral compass over theirs or face government mandated repercussions.
Doncha wish gun shop owners had the same level of concern and conscience?

How do gunshops come into play? Is this some sad pathetic attempt at a progressive "gotcha?"
Well that allegedly "Christian" bookstore owner cared so much about how his mercha
That wasn't the point. The fine was an abomination to a free people. You are authoritarian leftists, not liberals. Forcing people to do business with each other is the reverse of freedom. Most people don't care about gay, they care about green. The insistence to force the bigots is just sick frankly.
Who's in the right? A same sex couple wanting to plan their dream wedding, or an ignorant bigot who thinks he'll be tainted by the sale?

You fundamentally don't understand liberty. Here's a hint, liberty is people making their own choices, not you making it for them. Blows your mind, doesn't it?

As for your question, the "moral" right goes to the former and the "legal" right goes to the latter.

Tell me again how you're against government legislating morality....
Does a bus line have the right to refuse service to any group they find objectionable, even if no one has committed any crimes?

Didn't follow my post, did you Rover? BTW, the bus line didn't refuse service to anyone, government forced them to discriminate against blacks. They were actually against it, blacks were their best customers. You got anything actually regarding the point I made?
Yeah, I do. Liberty means not being repressed anywhere in public society. Freedom means so long as you aren't committing a crime or acting unruly, an individual can act, shop, invest, renew, improve and, indeed, fail as an equal participant in his community. That freedom from second class citizenship at the hands of businesses open to the public amounts to true Liberty.

Why, in a society billing itself as the 'Greatest on Earth", would it be right fit to erode one citizen's Libery by allowing an idiot to call the tune? Why does a bigot's 'rights' trump the right of an American citizens to shop at public stores?

So again, freedom for some, none for others. Freedom is defined by you as anything you agree with, and we will rigorously punish via government anything the great Nosmo King and their ilk finds unacceptable.

I's is powerful sorry, massa, don't make that big ol govmint come after me....
 
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He pays for all of that crap. I don't get the concept that we are beholden to government just because we allow it to exist to provide basic services.

and utilities, while regulated by government, are often not government, so you can stop with that crap.

You don't get to say how people relate to Jesus, or Allah, or Buddha, no matter how much you want to be a dictatorial asshat.

Actually, most of the rest of us are subsidizing businesses. Especially small businesses like this where the employees have to go on Medicaid because they are too cheap to spring for health insurance.

Utilities were built by goverment and private companies manage them. You really think any private company could build an entire city's electrical grid?

Unitl we cure the mental delusion of religion, you guys can't use your magic sky fairy as an excuse to provide services you promised.
 
Yes, I am content that bigots and homophobes are less willing to "speak their minds". I can't believe you see that as a bad thing. You'd prefer that the bigots walk around calling people the n-word?

Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

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Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

Yeah, that is kind of insane.

Bigotry doesn't wither and die because we let it out in the open. We all go, 'tsk, tsk' and the bigot keeps being a bigot.
 
I am still waiting for one of you gay/libs to explain why you would want an anti-gay baker to make your wedding cake. I am sure you could find a baker who has no problem with gay marriage. Why would you want to give your business to someone who does not approve of your lifestyle? Why would you want to increase his profit?

I know the answer, I just wish that one of you would be honest enough to answer it truthfully.
What evidence do you have that the couple KNEW that baker was an "anti-gay baker" when they went in to order their wedding cake?


what difference does it make? where have we heard that before???? LOL

Once he told them he was not interested in baking their cake that should have given them a clue.
So...if you go into a store and they say they don't serve your kind, you just quietly take it and leave? No wonder you get beat up for your lunch money all the time.

I have no interest in doing business with someone who does not like me for whatever reason.

the reason you would do business with an anti-gay baker would be because of the shit you could stir up. No other reason, and you know it.

I would never try to buy a drink at a black bar in the lower ninth ward or in the rainbow district of the french quarter. They would not want my business and I have no interest in forcing them to do business with me.

the gay agenda is not about freedom, discrimination, or equaliy. Its about using the government to force societal acceptance of a lifestyle that a majority of human beings find abnormal
 
Yes.

I want to know who the bigots are, where they are, what they are thinking, and (perhaps most importantly) who agrees with them.

I want the light shined on them for all to see, and then I want to engage them in the court of public opinion, change a few hearts and minds, watch them slowly learn, and allow momentum to take its course. We are so lucky to live in a country that allows this. Or, used to.

None of this can happen if they are forced to keep their mouths shut, allowing their hatred to build and fester and grow like a disease and manifest in other ways.

Yes, I very well may be insane, but that's how I see it.

Yeah, that is kind of insane.

Bigotry doesn't wither and die because we let it out in the open. We all go, 'tsk, tsk' and the bigot keeps being a bigot.


spoken by one who practices the bigotry of intolerance. pathetic.
 
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