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[Plasmaball]

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

Has nothing to do with my arguments, KEEP UP!

well thats if we ignore you saying it was a side issue .

 

[Unkotare]

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

It's astounding that any of these nutcases maintain the idiocy of denying the confederacy was all about slavery in the face of each of the states outwardly admitting as much.

Lincoln didn't invade Virginia to free the slaves, numskull. He said so himself. That means the war wasn't about slavery.

You are an illogical fool on top of everything else.

 

[OKTexas]

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

Has nothing to do with my arguments, KEEP UP!

well thats if we ignore you saying it was a side issue .

You can talk all the shit you want, just because the southern States included it in their secession proclamations doesn't mean it was the primary issue. When are you going to figure out slavery was legal at that time.

 

[Plasmaball]

you're ability to paint a war started to guarantee slavery as something noble is sickening.

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

It's astounding that any of these nutcases maintain the idiocy of denying the confederacy was all about slavery in the face of each of the states outwardly admitting as much.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

Has nothing to do with my arguments, KEEP UP!

well thats if we ignore you saying it was a side issue .

You can talk all the shit you want, just because the southern States included it in their secession proclamations doesn't mean it was the primary issue. When are you going to figure out slavery was legal at that time.

it was a main reason, and had you bothered to read them you would have known this. But hey look stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

It's astounding that any of these nutcases maintain the idiocy of denying the confederacy was all about slavery in the face of each of the states outwardly admitting as much.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

Has nothing to do with my arguments, KEEP UP!

well thats if we ignore you saying it was a side issue .

You can talk all the shit you want, just because the southern States included it in their secession proclamations doesn't mean it was the primary issue. When are you going to figure out slavery was legal at that time.

it was a main reason, and had you bothered to read them you would have known this. But hey look stupid.

I read them, why did you just pick 4 of the 11, did the others not support your BS? Ya know several gave no reason at all for seceding. But hey, carry on.

 

[Boss]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act as well as suspending habeas corpus.

 

[Unkotare]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act .....

No it was not.

 

[Boss]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act .....

No it was not.

Well... Yes, it had to be unless the South was a separate independent nation at war with the Union. The president does not have the authority to do what the EP did IF Southerners are legitimate citizens. You have the Constitutional protection of the 4th Amendment and you also have Constitutional guarantee of habeas corpus. The "exception" is if you are an enemy of the state at time of war. Under that scenario, the President has the right to seize property as "spoils of war" and can also deny you ANY Constitutional rights.

So... You can ignorantly THINK that Lincoln had the right, but he didn't and the Constitution makes it clear he didn't.

 

[there4eyeM]

Perpetual Union.

 

[Boss]

Perpetual Union.

Union of WHAT? Disenfranchised entities formerly known as states?

A "Union" you have no choice but to belong to becomes a tyrannic dictatorship.

 

[Unkotare]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act .....

No it was not.

Well... Yes, it had to be unless the South was a separate independent nation at war with the Union. ...

No, the traitors had created a state of war regardless of the fact that the so-call confederacy was never a legal or legitimate entity.

 

[Unkotare]

So... You can ignorantly THINK that Lincoln had the right, but he didn't and the Constitution makes it clear he didn't.

What legal authority or legitimate Constitutional scholar has ever reached that conclusion?

 

[Boss]

So... You can ignorantly THINK that Lincoln had the right, but he didn't and the Constitution makes it clear he didn't.

What legal authority or legitimate Constitutional scholar has ever reached that conclusion?

All of them, including Lincoln himself, who was a Constitutional lawyer. He admitted that he did not know if the EP was Constitutional but he did it anyway.

Now... If you can show me anywhere in the Constitution where the President is given the power to seize my property without due cause or suspend my rights under habeas corpus... feel free to post that! I can tell you, because I know for a fact, that's not in the Constitution.

Of course, under the powers of war the Commander in Chief has exceptional powers granted for that reason. This is why Bush could detain enemy combatants at Gitmo.... or FDR could intern Japanese-Americans during WWII.

 

[Boss]

No, the traitors had created a state of war regardless of the fact that the so-call confederacy was never a legal or legitimate entity.

Well no one was ever tried or convicted of treason, so your claiming they were "traitors" is entirely without merit. Yes, a state of war existed, and as Commander in Chief, the president used his authority to issue the Emancipation Proclamation and to suspend habeas corpus. In doing so, he must recognize the South as an enemy nation at war with the US (the ONLY way it is Constitutional)... even though he denied this was the case. So it was a very tenuous predicament for Lincoln and he knew it.

 

[bripat9643]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act .....

No it was not.

Of course it was. Where does the Constitution give the president authority to liberate anyone of their property?

 

[bripat9643]

No, the traitors had created a state of war regardless of the fact that the so-call confederacy was never a legal or legitimate entity.

Well no one was ever tried or convicted of treason, so your claiming they were "traitors" is entirely without merit. Yes, a state of war existed, and as Commander in Chief, the president used his authority to issue the Emancipation Proclamation and to suspend habeas corpus. In doing so, he must recognize the South as an enemy nation at war with the US (the ONLY way it is Constitutional)... even though he denied this was the case. So it was a very tenuous predicament for Lincoln and he knew it.

Actually, Congress never declared war. It didn't even authorize Lincoln to raise an army. Everything he did was extra constitutional.

 

[Unkotare]

No, the traitors had created a state of war regardless of the fact that the so-call confederacy was never a legal or legitimate entity.

Well no one was ever tried or convicted of treason....

There were plenty of Radical Republicans who wanted to, and they had a solid argument. The traitorous 'confederate' scum benefited from the magnanimity of Lincoln.

 

[Unkotare]

The confederacy was NOT a legally or legitimately separate, independent nation. Never, loser wannabe.

Then Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a completely unconstitutional act .....

No it was not.

Of course it was. Where does the Constitution give the president authority to liberate anyone of their property?

Article II, Section 2

 

[Faun]

And you thinking you can judge people that lived in a different time by todays standards is equally sickening.

so you're a moral relativist now?
those people chose to take up arms against their nation in defense of slavery. that does not make them patriots as the op would like us to believe. it makes them traitors.

Hey dumb ass, slavery was legal when the war started and there were no official moves to outlaw it at the time. In fact Lincoln said he was willing to continue to allow it if the south rejoined the union. Economics and an overbearing federal government started the war, slavery was a side issue at the time. Maybe you should learn real history instead of the leftist revisionist bullshit you seem to be buying into.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

shut up

It's astounding that any of these nutcases maintain the idiocy of denying the confederacy was all about slavery in the face of each of the states outwardly admitting as much.

Lincoln didn't invade Virginia to free the slaves, numskull. He said so himself. That means the war wasn't about slavery.

I never said Lincoln fought the war to free the slaves. He fought the war to save the United States from breaking apart.

The south fought the war to keep their slaves.

 

[OKTexas]

President Lincoln was too kind to the south he should have let General Sherman continue even after the south was whipped and utterly defeated

"I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy."

"My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom."


William Tecumseh Sherman

A true tyrant and war criminal.