If you don't believe in God...

[Tuatara]

I believe in elephants and airplanes, I believe in Saturn and copper. There are many things I believe in and many things I don't. Were you looking for something specific. Some people believe in the Loch Ness Monster. I don't. Is there a point to this thread?

 

[Tuatara]

I believe in God because it feels right to me. I do not expect you to share in that belief, nor care if you do. In the absence of any evidence, I go with my feelings because I want to. I fully admit that is entirely irrational, but what are you going to do?

I have no problem with people saying the believe in a god or anything else. I only have a problem when they state that their belief is the "truth". I'm not accusing you of doing this but I'm just clarifying my position.

 

[GWV5903]

It's ok if we disagree. However, I'm not sure we do.

You say that everyone makes decisions based upon what they see as right vs wrong. But that is all about perspective. You and I might well see the exact same situation, from our own perspective, with me seeing option A as right and you seeing it as wrong. When I say there is no right vs wrong, I am talking about the concept of an absolute.

Is it wrong to intentionally kill a child? Most would say yes, but what if you are a bombardier flying over a city in a war. You are most certainly about to kill any number of children. Is it still wrong? From the perspective of the parent holding one of those children below, is it right?

Most decisions in life are mundane. They aren't about Right vs Wrong, they are about convenience vs inconvenience. When we are faced with true moral decisions, it is never about absolutes.

Okay...

You can dilute it down to numerous levels, but choosing the donut to eat is not what I am referring to...

So if you decide to steal from your employer that is a conscience decision of right vs. wrong, wouldn't you agree that is a pretty clear absolute?

If you choose to flip off the car that just cut you off, isn't that a choice? Are you telling me in a civil society that this is the proper response?

I think the point you miss in this is what is right for me can be wrong for someone else, but it is still the right decision for me...

Sorry the bombardier has a choice long before he sits in the cock pit and releases the bomb...

Ok. Let's take them in turn....

Stealing from your employer. Someone is holding your family hostage at home and you either steal from your employer or they kill them. Your child is sick and if you don't buy some medicine she will die, you have no money and your only choice is steal or watch her die. You discover your employer is secretly polluting the town's water supply and the only way to bring this to light is to steal confidential files.

Flipping off a car. I'm not sure how this fits the discussion, but I do it because it makes me feel empowered. Is it better to just internalize the anger?

Yes, the bombardier made a choice. Defend his country or not. Do you drop the bombs to kill thousands in order to shorten the war and save millions? Which is right and which is wrong?

I get that what is right for you is right for you, even if not for me. That is my point as well. Just because something is right for me does not make it RIGHT. It just makes it right for me. And it only makes it right under specific circumstances. There are no absolutes.

These are excuses, there are numerous ways to get help besides stealing...

Ignore the other driver, best choice, anything else is wrong...

The bombardier is the tough one I will agree, but they had a choice somewhere...

The use of absolute is for conjecture only, people are inherently born with this knowledge of right vs. wrong, good vs. evil...

 

[sealybobo]

I would respond that positing there is no god is equally admitting personal ignorance. In the absence of evidence any conclusion is irrational. A negative conclusion is no less irrational than a positive one. Your claim that the existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes is a completely unfounded statement of pure, irrational belief. It is based upon nothing other than personal preference.

In fact, I would go further that you seem to have a clear idea of what god is to start with, and it seems to be Christian. There is nothing to conclude the Christian concept of god is the correct one, or even if there is any concept to have at all. You are arriving at conclusions on a subject for which you have neither data nor a definition by which to start looking for data.

Tell me again how atheism is not a religion.

You had me until you said the existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes is a completely unfounded statement of pure, irrational belief.

No it is not. I guess when you strip away all the god talked to mosus or sent jesus or talked to Joseph Smith or Mohammad, what do you have? Why do you believe there is a god?

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan

“A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.” – David Stevens

Theists often state “God is outside of time”. This claim does not actually make their speculation correct. Instead, it brings with it a whole host of problems and may be immediately dismissed as being without basis and a type fallacy known as special pleading.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalise world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. So we even know what part of your brain believes in god. The primitive part.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

I don’t feel frightened by not knowing things, I think it’s much more interesting that way … I have approximate answers, and possible beliefs, and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything. I might think about it a little, but if I can’t figure it out, then I go to something else. It doesn’t frighten me.” – Richard Feynman

Argument from incredulity / Lack of imagination and Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. Ignores and does not eliminate the fact that something can seem incredible or unlikely and still be true, or appear to be obvious or likely and yet still be false.

The world is the way it is. Reality does not bend to our personal whim and facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. Our personal belief in something does not automatically make it real or true and, conversely, our lack of understanding of a topic does not make it false.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

Everything you just wrote is unsupported opinion. It means nothing and carries no weight. It is nothing more than belief with a different colored wrapper. I am especially unimpressed with Sagan's quote. What does "extraordinary" mean? Who gets to decide where the line is on that? It is merely a justification for belief, not the foundation of a rational conclusion. There are only claims and evidence. Extraneous adjectives are flowery but pointless.

Provide me with a definition of god supported by factual evidence, then we can begin. Until then, any opinion has no greater worth than any other. Saying your opinion is superior is pretty much what all religions do. But sans evidence, it is just one more expression of faith.

Pretend you walk up to me on the street and you are going to tell me about god. What would you say? Would you ask me if I know about god? Lets say I say no. What is god? Lets start there and lets see if you can logically or rationally or intelligently explain it to me.

 

[koshergrl]

I believe in God because it feels right to me. I do not expect you to share in that belief, nor care if you do. In the absence of any evidence, I go with my feelings because I want to. I fully admit that is entirely irrational, but what are you going to do?

I have no problem with people saying the believe in a god or anything else. I only have a problem when they state that their belief is the "truth". I'm not accusing you of doing this but I'm just clarifying my position.

Yeah, it's a power issue.

Sorry, the truth exists whether or not you believe it. And we are perfectly correct in saying that the truth is, God exists and will pass judgement on us all.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm not sure how boob sees me telling him that he will meet God as a threat.

Methinks he's paranoid.

And..boob...it's chromosome. If you're going to pretend you're smart, at least spell the key words correctly....

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

 

[sealybobo]

I would respond that positing there is no god is equally admitting personal ignorance. In the absence of evidence any conclusion is irrational. A negative conclusion is no less irrational than a positive one. Your claim that the existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes is a completely unfounded statement of pure, irrational belief. It is based upon nothing other than personal preference.

In fact, I would go further that you seem to have a clear idea of what god is to start with, and it seems to be Christian. There is nothing to conclude the Christian concept of god is the correct one, or even if there is any concept to have at all. You are arriving at conclusions on a subject for which you have neither data nor a definition by which to start looking for data.

Tell me again how atheism is not a religion.

You had me until you said the existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes is a completely unfounded statement of pure, irrational belief.

No it is not. I guess when you strip away all the god talked to mosus or sent jesus or talked to Joseph Smith or Mohammad, what do you have? Why do you believe there is a god?

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan

“A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.” – David Stevens

Theists often state “God is outside of time”. This claim does not actually make their speculation correct. Instead, it brings with it a whole host of problems and may be immediately dismissed as being without basis and a type fallacy known as special pleading.

The fact that an intelligent person holds an irrational belief is simply evidence that our brains are able to compartmentalise world-views and models from one another, usually in order to maintain a state of ‘ignorant bliss’ and escape the discomfort of cognitive dissonance. So we even know what part of your brain believes in god. The primitive part.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” – Richard Dawkins

I don’t feel frightened by not knowing things, I think it’s much more interesting that way … I have approximate answers, and possible beliefs, and different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything. I might think about it a little, but if I can’t figure it out, then I go to something else. It doesn’t frighten me.” – Richard Feynman

Argument from incredulity / Lack of imagination and Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. Ignores and does not eliminate the fact that something can seem incredible or unlikely and still be true, or appear to be obvious or likely and yet still be false.

The world is the way it is. Reality does not bend to our personal whim and facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. Our personal belief in something does not automatically make it real or true and, conversely, our lack of understanding of a topic does not make it false.

Until we understand something we “do not know”. Positing a ‘god’ in place of admitting personal ignorance is an unfounded leap which demonstrates a fundamental lack of humility.

The existence and non-existence of a god are not equally probable outcomes. The majority of things we can possibly imagine do not exist. Thus, belief is not as valid a position as skepticism when dealing with unsupported or unfalsifiable claims. Agnostic atheism is the most rational position.

BTW, you asked me the question so I should give you an answer. Why do I believe in God? I think it likely that I don't, at least your idea of God that I glean from your posts. You seem to be very Christian centered and I am not a Christian.

I believe in God because it feels right to me. I do not expect you to share in that belief, nor care if you do. In the absence of any evidence, I go with my feelings because I want to. I fully admit that is entirely irrational, but what are you going to do?

Finally some honesty.

You also believe because you've been told this story from when you were a baby.

And hey, as long as you aren't saying I'll go to hell if I don't believe and that you want this god story told in school, I don't care as much. I do care though because they use religion to divide the middle class/poor but I don't care as much when it's a person who admits they just want to believe instead of claiming their book is real and if I don't believe I'll burn in hell. I don't think society is better off if everyone believes this lie.

We also know where your belief comes from. The most primitive part of the brain. They think monkey's are spiritual too. Dogs and cats too. Do they believe in god(s)? We don't know. But all animals have a healthy fear of the unknown.

 

[gallantwarrior]

If you don't believe in God, what do you believe in?

If you do believe in God, why?

Also a valid question, but not the question being posed here. So, if you don't believe in god, what do you believe in?

 

[koshergrl]

I'm not sure how boob sees me telling him that he will meet God as a threat.

Methinks he's paranoid.

And..boob...it's chromosome. If you're going to pretend you're smart, at least spell the key words correctly....

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

 

[Slyhunter]

I'm not sure how boob sees me telling him that he will meet God as a threat.

Methinks he's paranoid.

And..boob...it's chromosome. If you're going to pretend you're smart, at least spell the key words correctly....

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

worship god or go to hell.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm not sure how boob sees me telling him that he will meet God as a threat.

Methinks he's paranoid.

And..boob...it's chromosome. If you're going to pretend you're smart, at least spell the key words correctly....

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

Whatever. I get the point behind your comment.

So what happens if I'm not saved? Ohhhh???? There lies the threat stupid. Or do you not even realize you're doing it. See, you religious fools can't even argue this without the threats.

Lastly, *****. No I don't believe your story so you are correct on me it doesn't work, but it does on millions of impressionable/gullible people and that's why it has to go. Look at you. You know how to spell better than me but still believe in invisible men. Wow!

 

[sealybobo]

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

worship god or go to hell.

See kosher girl? You say I'm dumb but this guy got your threat so how smart can you be if you don't even understand the very methods you use to pray on young children to get them to join your cult? And of course you don't realize that these methods/tactics were used on you too. Now you are using them on others. Just what a cult follower would do. What a stupid ***** I tell you. But you sure can spell huh?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If you don't believe in God, what do you believe in?

One cannot not believe in something that doesn't exist to begin with.

????

[MENTION=29614]C_Clayton_Jones[/MENTION]

Do you mean exist in your mind?

If someone believes the "sun revolves around the earth,"
or the "earth is flat," you mean the earth has to exist to have beliefs about it?

I actually agree, in a way, the issue is not whether people believe in Jesus or God,
but WHAT we believe about their "meanings" that determines true or false, right or wrong.

If people believe in a VENGEFUL God/Jesus the problem is believing in retribution as something we can decide as judge/jury/executioner.

Is this what you mean? You can't have a belief ABOUT something if it doesn't represent a CONCEPT in your mind? I believe Jesus represents Justice, so this could explain that. Thanks CCJ!

Theism is the aberration, for the great majority of human existence man enjoyed freedom from the curse of religion and 'god.'

And prior to the advent of civilization religion was pantheistic, free of doctrine, dogma, and deities.

Consequently, religion is the creation of man, where 'god' is a human contrivance, and 'god' never existed as perceived by theists; since 'god' as a omnipotent deity has never existed, and obviously doesn't exist now, there isn't anything not to believe in.

The mistake theists make is to perceive 'god' as 'fact,' and those free from faith 'denying' that 'fact,' when in reality nothing could be further from the truth – as the error exists solely with theists.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I'm not sure how boob sees me telling him that he will meet God as a threat.

Methinks he's paranoid.

And..boob...it's chromosome. If you're going to pretend you're smart, at least spell the key words correctly....

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

Nonsense.

Acknowledging the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists is neither 'anti-Christian' nor being a 'bigot.'

Indeed, it's the arrogance, ignorance, intolerance, hate, and stupidity exhibited by you and many other Christians that reflects poorly on your faith.

 

[sealybobo]

I seem to be getting worse at spelling with age. But I don't have the time to spell check for you.

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

I think we all get the intent of a comment like that. And without it, you got nothin.

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

Nonsense.

Acknowledging the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists is neither 'anti-Christian' nor being a 'bigot.'

Indeed, it's the arrogance, ignorance, intolerance, hate, and stupidity exhibited by you and many other Christians that reflects poorly on your faith.

They even admit that the adam and eve story is just that, a story. 7 out of 10 of them anyways admit it. And then you have the BOSS' who don't believe in Christianity or Muslim or Jew. He knows those are made up but still believes.

They also sometimes use science to argue. Bad science but hey, science can't disprove an imaginary guy in the sky so why can't he use bad science too? Science even shows us that god comes from the most primitive part of the brain. Boss says there is no primitive part of the brain. Like my dad says, "If science says this all happened by chance then they are stupid". Really dad? You have a high school education and science has done everything it can to lay it all out there why/how there is no god. Why there is no god

He'll blow it off as a lefty atheist crazy website and even argue the points they make, which are pretty much unarguable. If there was there would be a theist website and the atheist website would be more than happy to link to it because that is exactly what that site is. A reply to what theists say. The most common 46 things a theist says and what to say back.

My favorite: Every conceivable argument, every imaginable piece of evidence for god is not without some fatal flaw or more likely explanation which precludes it from being used as definitive proof.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

My point is, you are patently and certifiably stupid and you are undone when you call OTHER people stupid, while you are inacpable of #1, understanding the written word, and #2, using it yourself.

Telling you that "you are going to meet God" is not a threat. I'm not God. For all I know, you could be saved this evening, and when you meet God it will be a joyous event.

Besides which..if you don't believe in God, how on earth could you perceive meeting him as a threat?

The disorganized thinking and ignorance of anti-Christian bigots/progressive nutbags never fails to amaze me. You have to work at it to be that stupid.

Nonsense.

Acknowledging the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists is neither 'anti-Christian' nor being a 'bigot.'

Indeed, it's the arrogance, ignorance, intolerance, hate, and stupidity exhibited by you and many other Christians that reflects poorly on your faith.

They even admit that the adam and eve story is just that, a story. 7 out of 10 of them anyways admit it. And then you have the BOSS' who don't believe in Christianity or Muslim or Jew. He knows those are made up but still believes.

They also sometimes use science to argue. Bad science but hey, science can't disprove an imaginary guy in the sky so why can't he use bad science too? Science even shows us that god comes from the most primitive part of the brain. Boss says there is no primitive part of the brain. Like my dad says, "If science says this all happened by chance then they are stupid". Really dad? You have a high school education and science has done everything it can to lay it all out there why/how there is no god. Why there is no god

He'll blow it off as a lefty atheist crazy website and even argue the points they make, which are pretty much unarguable. If there was there would be a theist website and the atheist website would be more than happy to link to it because that is exactly what that site is. A reply to what theists say. The most common 46 things a theist says and what to say back.

My favorite: Every conceivable argument, every imaginable piece of evidence for god is not without some fatal flaw or more likely explanation which precludes it from being used as definitive proof.

Which would be consistent with the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Oh, and yes that is a threat. To tell someone, "ok buddy, it's your soul, one day you'll meet this imaginary man and you'll see"

If you don't have that malignant tumor removed your going to die kind of threat..

 

[sealybobo]

Nonsense.

Acknowledging the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists is neither 'anti-Christian' nor being a 'bigot.'

Indeed, it's the arrogance, ignorance, intolerance, hate, and stupidity exhibited by you and many other Christians that reflects poorly on your faith.

They even admit that the adam and eve story is just that, a story. 7 out of 10 of them anyways admit it. And then you have the BOSS' who don't believe in Christianity or Muslim or Jew. He knows those are made up but still believes.

They also sometimes use science to argue. Bad science but hey, science can't disprove an imaginary guy in the sky so why can't he use bad science too? Science even shows us that god comes from the most primitive part of the brain. Boss says there is no primitive part of the brain. Like my dad says, "If science says this all happened by chance then they are stupid". Really dad? You have a high school education and science has done everything it can to lay it all out there why/how there is no god. Why there is no god

He'll blow it off as a lefty atheist crazy website and even argue the points they make, which are pretty much unarguable. If there was there would be a theist website and the atheist website would be more than happy to link to it because that is exactly what that site is. A reply to what theists say. The most common 46 things a theist says and what to say back.

My favorite: Every conceivable argument, every imaginable piece of evidence for god is not without some fatal flaw or more likely explanation which precludes it from being used as definitive proof.

Which would be consistent with the fact that there is no 'god' as perceived by theists.

You mean atheists?

 

[PratchettFan]

I believe in God because it feels right to me. I do not expect you to share in that belief, nor care if you do. In the absence of any evidence, I go with my feelings because I want to. I fully admit that is entirely irrational, but what are you going to do?

I have no problem with people saying the believe in a god or anything else. I only have a problem when they state that their belief is the "truth". I'm not accusing you of doing this but I'm just clarifying my position.

Understood. I certainly have no line to the "truth". Like everyone else, I just putter along as best I can. What I believe is probably wrong, but until some evidence comes along I see no reason to change.

Where I have a problem is when people make statements of belief and claim to be rational and evidence based. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but at least be rational enough to recognize when it is belief.

 

[PratchettFan]

Okay...

You can dilute it down to numerous levels, but choosing the donut to eat is not what I am referring to...

So if you decide to steal from your employer that is a conscience decision of right vs. wrong, wouldn't you agree that is a pretty clear absolute?

If you choose to flip off the car that just cut you off, isn't that a choice? Are you telling me in a civil society that this is the proper response?

I think the point you miss in this is what is right for me can be wrong for someone else, but it is still the right decision for me...

Sorry the bombardier has a choice long before he sits in the cock pit and releases the bomb...

Ok. Let's take them in turn....

Stealing from your employer. Someone is holding your family hostage at home and you either steal from your employer or they kill them. Your child is sick and if you don't buy some medicine she will die, you have no money and your only choice is steal or watch her die. You discover your employer is secretly polluting the town's water supply and the only way to bring this to light is to steal confidential files.

Flipping off a car. I'm not sure how this fits the discussion, but I do it because it makes me feel empowered. Is it better to just internalize the anger?

Yes, the bombardier made a choice. Defend his country or not. Do you drop the bombs to kill thousands in order to shorten the war and save millions? Which is right and which is wrong?

I get that what is right for you is right for you, even if not for me. That is my point as well. Just because something is right for me does not make it RIGHT. It just makes it right for me. And it only makes it right under specific circumstances. There are no absolutes.

These are excuses, there are numerous ways to get help besides stealing...

Ignore the other driver, best choice, anything else is wrong...

The bombardier is the tough one I will agree, but they had a choice somewhere...

The use of absolute is for conjecture only, people are inherently born with this knowledge of right vs. wrong, good vs. evil...

No. People are not born with this inherent knowledge. If that were the case, we would not need to teach children to share. We are taught this.

Everything is a choice. There are always options no matter what the situation. The question is which choice to make. Mostly that is mundane, but if good and evil were absolutes, then there would be no choice. It would be obvious for everyone. It is not because there are no absolutes. All choices involve the weighing of consequences and is never clean. If you find all such choices to be clear, then you have lived a very lucky life indeed.