Zone1 If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?

[Captain Caveman]

This question came up in another topic and I wanted to turn it into a debate because I'm curious what people have to say about this. This question is for atheists and agnostics. How do we know what's right and wrong without the Bible? How does the government decide what's right and wrong without the Bible? Where does morality come from without the Bible?

They come from a number of sources. Some are even innate, the one you mentioned about the Bible is a societal influence source.

 

[Dante]

Then where did all life come from?

single cell organisms are life

Does their existence demand a creator?

How do single cell organisms come to be?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Let me ask you all a question. Hypothetically speaking, if the government said that murder and theft are now legal would it suddenly become moral?

No.

If the Bible gives instructions on owning slaves, does slavery become moral?

No. And it took 1000s of years and superior, secular ideas for peole to come to understand slavery is immoral.

 

[Dante]

First of all, government isn't society and doesn't define morality. Second, it's certainly possible for a society to adopt bad morals - rules that don't actually promote to their success. The proof is in the pudding. If a government legalized murder and theft, I suspect that country wouldn't last long. What do you think?

homework assignment:

Polity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They come from a number of sources. Some are even innate, the one you mentioned about the Bible is a societal influence source.

Sure. But those speaking on the Bible are the much stronger force.

Else the Christian fundies would be stoning women in the streets and beating their slaves.

 

[JoeB131]

Let me ask you all a question. Hypothetically speaking, if the government said that murder and theft are now legal would it suddenly become moral?

No, of course not.

But what is legal and what is moral aren't always the same thing.

It was illegal at one time to help slaves escape from bondage, but it was the moral thing to do.

I personally think getting drunk out of your mind is immoral, you are doing harm to yourself and those who care about you.

But I would hardly want to bring back prohibition.

 

[dblack]

homework assignment:

Hard stop. NO.

 

[Dante]

Morality is older than your god. Way older.
How could we have made successful civilizations thousands of years ago without morality?

Exactly! So where did that come from if it didn't come from God?

TNHarley IT decided to selectively answer only a part of your comment?

Why?

What would having dealt with all of it done to IT's brain?

 

[Dante]

Let me ask you all a question. Hypothetically speaking, if the government said that murder and theft are now legal would it suddenly become moral?

First of all, government isn't society and doesn't define morality. Second, it's certainly possible for a society to adopt bad morals - rules that don't actually promote to their success. The proof is in the pudding. If a government legalized murder and theft, I suspect that country wouldn't last long. What do you think?

homework assignment:

Polity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hard stop. NO.

Educational failures are evident

 

[dblack]

Educational failures are evident

Indeed. Where did you learn to be so pompous and stupid at the SAME TIME!?!? It's impressive.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hard stop. NO.

You should read it. It would help you.

 

[Dante]

Indeed. Where did you learn to be so pompous and stupid at the SAME TIME!?!? It's impressive.

Trump University?

 

[Dante]

You should read it. It would help you.

He seeks no help. That is anathema to a cultist.

 

[dblack]

You should read it. It would help you.

Maybe. But I don't do research tasks on command. If one of you trolls has a point, you'll have to actually use your words and make that point. I'm not going on a google safari because you're too lazy to do that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Maybe. But I don't do research tasks on command. If you one of you trolls has a point, you'll have to actually use your words and make that point. I'm not going on a google safari because you're too lazy to do that.

Okay,but it's one thing to make a point, and quite another to have to remedially teach basic, relevant concepts of a topic just so you can begin discussing it on the level.

 

[dblack]

Trump University?

Makes sense. Did you get a diploma?

 

[shockedcanadian]

It comes from G-d.

Our instincts are only to pursue self interest at the expense of others, violating G-ds Commands.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It comes from G-d.

Our instincts are only to pursue self interest at the expense of others, violating G-ds Commands.

Then immorality also comes from God.

Naughty God.

 

[dblack]

Okay,but it's one thing to make a point, and quite another to have to remedially teach basic, relevant concepts of a topic just so you can begin discussing it on the level.

Good point. I'll stop wasting my time with you. Again.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Good point. I'll stop wasting my time with you. Again.

Haha,and you call people trolls. That was about a 4th grade level troll attempt.

Grow up, son. Adults only, here.