Zone1 If Morality Doesn't Come From God Then Where Does It Come From?

[Robert W]

Simple. It's an abstract concept created by the human mind that is under constant revision.

Where did your morality come from, ChristisKing ?

Chiefly, it came from the genetic accident of where and when you were born.

Why is morality for many blacks so different from that of most whites or Asians?

 

[Dante]

Then where did all life come from?

define life, and it should lead back to an answer based on scientific observation/study/knowledge

 

[ChristisKing]

define life, and it should lead back to an answer based on scientific observation/study/knowledge

Never mind, if you don't know what life is I can't help you.

 

[ChristisKing]

Oh and for all of you claiming evolution is how we've developed morality then we sure came a LONNNNNGGGG way from it.

 

[dblack]

"Survival' is not the primary goal of JudeoChristianity though. Why is that?

Because it's become more about controlling people than providing a moral foundation. But the function of morality is to guide personal behavior to benefit the success - the survival - of the community.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course it is. The main goal of moral values is a stable society. Thats survival.

But your interpretation of moral values would negate all concepts of Martyrdom, i.e. those who would rather lose their lives than to violate their relationship with God.

 

[ChristisKing]

But your interpretation of moral values would negate all concepts of Martyrdom, i.e. those who would rather lose their lives than to violate their relationship with God.

Great point as Charlie Kirk didn't care about survival. He valued speaking the truth over his own life.

 

[dblack]

Oh and for all of you claiming evolution is how we've developed morality then we sure came a LONNNNNGGGG way from it.

It's not exactly evolution, as in there's no clear genetic component. It's just that cooperation enhances survival. So we do that.

 

[Foxfyre]

I have never thought about that. It completely goes against nature.

Thank you. Yes it does go against what had been basic human nature. The culture of the Roman Empire had been one of ruthlessness, cruelty, survival of the strongest and fittest, a culture that would throw Christians and other 'enemies' of Rome into an arena of hungry lions for the enjoyment and entertainment of the people.

JudeoChristianity was a whole different concept from the 'norms' of an intelligent but innately savage world. And it changed the world. It changed the morality of most of the people of the world.

 

[ChristisKing]

It's not exactly evolution, as in there's no clear genetic component. It's just that cooperation enhances survival. So we do that.

How do chimps cooperate?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Romans 2​

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Those verses don't a I'm say what you want them to say.

All of creation ONCE had "the law". An atheist can have the law because they still live in a Christian country.

 

[dblack]

How do chimps cooperate?

I don't know. Ask Jane Goodall?

I suspect there are examples, but your question misses the point. Chimps may have other means of enhancing their survival. Humans, on the other hand, are far more intelligent and social - and cooperation is a must. Otherwise, the chimps will win.

 

[ChristisKing]

All of creation ONCE had "the law". An atheist can have the law because they still live in a Christian country.

Yeah, but that was my question. Where did the law originate if not the Bible? So far not a single atheist can answer my question.

I don't know. Ask Jane Goodall?

She's dead.

 

[dblack]

She's dead.

It was a rhetorical comment suggesting that your question was irrelevant.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yeah, but that was my question. Where did the law originate if not the Bible? So far not a single atheist can answer my question.





She's dead.

For those who reject the true God, right and wrong is what each individual says it is. Some hold IN THEIR HEARTS remnants of God's law but they decided for themselves how much they obey

It is why God told them NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL

 

[ChristisKing]

It was a rhetorical comment suggesting that your question was irrelevant.

You're the one that brought it up though.

 

[ChristisKing]

For those who reject the true God, right and wrong is what each individual says it is. Some hold IN THEIR HEARTS remnants of God's law but they decided for themselves how much they obey

It is why God told them NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL

Right, so they're just making things up.

 

[dblack]

You're the one that brought it up though.

I don't think I was, looking at the chat history. But whatever. My point is that cooperation often creates an advantage for communities that adopt it. Regardless of what chimps do.

 

[Dante]

Not really correct. I would say that the inherent ability to create moral values exited in early mankind. Why would we have that before it was needed or used? That supports a creator of some type

Hmm...

I dont agree.

in early mankind as we came out of Africa, we see humanoids burying their dead, whereas before we see humanoids left where they were killed or died. Civilization and culture was born with identification and empathy. Morality followed long before some nomadic tribes invaded the levant area and killed off the agricultural societies.

 

[ChristisKing]

I don't think I was, looking at the chat history. But whatever. My point is that cooperation often creates an advantage for communities that adopt it. Regardless of what chimps do.

Wasn't your argument something about it being genetic and evolutionary? So if we're related to chimps then you must have some examples of chimpanzee cooperating with each other and acting moral as means to survive.