So you decide which 'gods' are the creation of man and which aren't. What evidence is there that any human in history was more than human?
You simply believe in one more god than atheists do out of the 4,000 or so currently identified by humans.
What gives anyone the ability to discern that all the other 3,999 are false?
They are all the creation of man. All.So you decide which 'gods' are the creation of man and which aren't. What evidence is there that any human in history was more than human?
You simply believe in one more god than atheists do out of the 4,000 or so currently identified by humans.
What gives anyone the ability to discern that all the other 3,999 are false?
They are all the creation of man. All.
What gives you the ability to discern that there's no such thing as God at all?
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I'm an agnostic and a scientist, I don't say 100% that I know. But 99.999% yes, there is are no 'gods'. Rather odd that each person says 'no god', singular, referring of course to their own 'god'.
You of course cannot prove there is no Zeus or Mithra or the Spaghetti Monster. But that is exactly what theists do, they 'claim' to know there is only one 'god' and their 'god' is the only true 'god'.
If you would be an agnostics then you would say: "100% I don't know wether god exists or not". You are just simple an atheist - that's your belief. And you are without a big idea about when and how to use probability calculations. You just simple have some wrong ideas about other people who are not atheists (= a-atheists=theists). And in your self-created world - no: in the world of your indcotrinating ideology - you are thinking you are living in the noble world of science. But indeed believers of all religions - and not only atheists - are able to be scientists.
Yes there are scientists that are religious. Seems quite contrarian and they have to construct massive mental scaffolding in their heads to accommodate that but some do it.
I haven't seen any evidence of 'gods'. But there is voluminous evidence of humans needing to believe in 'gods' to explain that which they don't understand and are afraid of.
LOL And 'indocrination' to many means the same as college education, knowledge, and a life time of study of something.
Show evidence of any god that can be tested or correlated.
Nothing started the universe because there was nothing before not even a before.
It did have a beginning. Something from nothing notates a starting point.
What you say is without logic. If the universe had a beginning then existed a first cause - but a first cause is uncaused. So nothing started the universe.
How do you know the universe had a beginning?
I guess this thread is under the implied assumption that
1)the Universe had a start
2) that there is only one scientific theory to explain that start(false)
3) that theory is the Big Bang
4) that there is only one Big Bang theory.(false)
Whew, a lot of assumptions! I might have missed some other assumptions.
Anyway, this thread is dead. Turns out the op claims to be a pantheist.
Remember, we started out with "If there is no GOD" yada yada yada "Then what kicked started the Universe?"
If we are given the Pantheist GOD as not existing, then isn't the answer nothing?
Finally went back and spent some time reading and doing some research I see.
Having difficulties accepting that theology and theory might be one for some?
Oh by the way... Your answers were all FAILS ON YOUR PART...
Even in your current post.
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I normally explain fails. It is to help the person to correct himself in future discussions.
Let start by showing that you just declare fails without any explanations behind them.
The first part of the post is a list of assumptions taken from themes argued through out the thread. Anyone can go back over the thread to see these themes.
The second part deal with the question posed by the OP. First, take note the OP later claims he is a Pantheist.
Pantheism is the belief that the Universe (or Nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity,[1] or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God.
We are given that God does not exist by the Pantheist OP,
Then we are asked what kick started the Universe.
Since God=Universe(Pantheist definition) and there is no God, then we have no Universe. We have nothing, basically. This is all from given and knowing the OP
Now we are asked 'What jump started nothing?' The simplest answer is nothing.
Now I am happy to discuss any faults in the above logic. But just exclaiming fail without any explanation is not conducive to the discussion nor helps anyone following along.