If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

[Rustic]

No he was a vegetable at the end of a terminal genetic condition. There was no normal life and new treatments that would saved him. Sure he could have been a human lab rat for a bit if he had gotten there sooner, but the end was inevitable

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

Experts like the medical doctors who were treating him disagree with your trailer park diagnosis. Guess what. They were right. He's dead.

You should never of been up to the government, because they don’t give two shits about the kid or the the family.
Typical of socialism don’t give a shit about individuals

 

[Rustic]

No

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

That they do.

Scientists Have Reversed Brain Damage in a 2-Year-Old Girl Who Drowned in a Swimming Pool

Alfie wasn't a two year old who drowned in a pool. He had MDS and had already lost 70% of the white matter in his brain.

So, it should’ve been up to the parents 100% ~ 0% up to the government

 

[Rustic]

To all of you bitching: take care of those kids on the caravan heading north. Fight for them and for everything possible to give them a better life. Or is your championship of a toddler whose brain basically was gone give you political points and this is why you're doing it. The kids from Honduras need your help.

Illegal aliens doing illegal things, that’s Apples to oranges... jack ass

 

[Rustic]

And people why millions of Americans want nothing to do with European socialism, fuck them motherfuckers fuck them all to hell

 

[Lysistrata]

To all of you bitching: take care of those kids on the caravan heading north. Fight for them and for everything possible to give them a better life. Or is your championship of a toddler whose brain basically was gone give you political points and this is why you're doing it. The kids from Honduras need your help.

Illegal aliens doing illegal things, that’s Apples to oranges... jack ass

Yeah, kids are "illegal aliens doing illegal things." You are a phony, jackass. You don't care one shit about kids, just one that you think you can use for purposes of political propaganda. Get to that caravan and serve those kids. If you can't take care of them here, why don't you take them to Italy.

 

[Rustic]

To all of you bitching: take care of those kids on the caravan heading north. Fight for them and for everything possible to give them a better life. Or is your championship of a toddler whose brain basically was gone give you political points and this is why you're doing it. The kids from Honduras need your help.

Illegal aliens doing illegal things, that’s Apples to oranges... jack ass

Yeah, kids are "illegal aliens doing illegal things." You are a phony, jackass. You don't care one shit about kids, just one that you think you can use for purposes of political propaganda. Get to that caravan and serve those kids. If you can't take care of them here, why don't you take them to Italy.

Apples to oranges, just existing does not give anyone a right to citizenship. We are not talking about life or death here

 

[TheOldSchool]

No he was a vegetable at the end of a terminal genetic condition. There was no normal life and new treatments that would saved him. Sure he could have been a human lab rat for a bit if he had gotten there sooner, but the end was inevitable

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

Experts like the medical doctors who were treating him disagree with your trailer park diagnosis. Guess what. They were right. He's dead.

You should never of been up to the government, because they don’t give two shits about the kid or the the family.
Typical of socialism don’t give a shit about individuals

The only place that would take the kid and went to great lengths to take him in was Italy, a country with what you'd call socialist healthcare

 

[toobfreak]

If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

I think the answer is pretty clear that had Alfie been a Muslim, the courts would have stayed out of it. Further, the fact that a court would get in the way of a parent trying to save their kid and refuse to let them fly to Italy for medical treatment only goes to show America the danger of allowing a government to take control of your care.

 

[Lysistrata]

If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

I think the answer is pretty clear that had Alfie been a Muslim, the courts would have stayed out of it. Further, the fact that a court would get in the way of a parent trying to save their kid and refuse to let them fly to Italy for medical treatment only goes to show America the danger of allowing a government to take control of your care.

Explain why "the answer is pretty clear that had Alfie been a Muslim, the courts would have stayed out of it"? Where do you get this statement from? It's NOT "pretty clear." Who else is dragging religion into this discussion?

 

[Political Junky]

No he was a vegetable at the end of a terminal genetic condition. There was no normal life and new treatments that would saved him. Sure he could have been a human lab rat for a bit if he had gotten there sooner, but the end was inevitable

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

Experts like the medical doctors who were treating him disagree with your trailer park diagnosis. Guess what. They were right. He's dead.

You should never of been up to the government, because they don’t give two shits about the kid or the the family.
Typical of socialism don’t give a shit about individuals

The only place that would take the kid and went to great lengths to take him in was Italy, a country with what you'd call socialist healthcare

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

Oh no, the US didn't make it again.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

Yes, and what does this have to do with the EU?

EU courts are making the decisions after appeals.

You show little understanding of the European court system. The EU has had no part of this. The European Court of Human Rights declined to hear the parents appeal. They have nothing to do with the EU and represent pretty much every country in Europe, EU members and non EU members . Countries like Russia are a part of it.

The ECHR are independent of any single country and have pretty much upset every one of them with their rulings. That suggests to me they are doing a good job.

Sick boy's parents lose final appeal bid

Judges found no appearance of a violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, the court said.

So your attempt to link in all of your pet hates into one ill informed rant looks a bit silly. At least you dint include Gays in the brain dump.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It was more than that by Feb 2018, and all their attempts to slow or halt the disease had failed. These doctors also don’t work in isolation, they consult with experts around the world, and the Vatican could have sent their doctors there I would think.

Could the doctors have been incompetent and refused to cooperate with release of the child so that their incompetence could not be documented by outside sources?

Other experts were saying that the little boy was treatable and could have a normal life, but the UK docs said Nyet!

No Doctors were saying that. Stop lying.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

I think the answer is pretty clear that had Alfie been a Muslim, the courts would have stayed out of it. Further, the fact that a court would get in the way of a parent trying to save their kid and refuse to let them fly to Italy for medical treatment only goes to show America the danger of allowing a government to take control of your care.

Explain why "the answer is pretty clear that had Alfie been a Muslim, the courts would have stayed out of it"? Where do you get this statement from? It's NOT "pretty clear." Who else is dragging religion into this discussion?

Alfies case was hijacked by a catholic group called the Christian Legal Centre. They are a bog standard "pro life" anti gay" set up . Their legal representative was not actually a solicitor and did more harm than good.

A High Court judge has slammed a legal adviser to the family of sick toddler Alfie Evans, calling him a "fanatical and deluded young man".

Mr Justice Hayden hit out at law student Pavel Stroilov, who is linked to the pro-life Christian Legal Centre (CLC), at a three-hour hearing in Manchester yesterday.

He criticised Mr Stroilov's "malign hand" and told the Family Division of the High Court that some of his legal advice had come close to contempt of court.

The court heard the adviser had been party to Alfie's dad, Tom Evans, lodging a private prosecution of Alder Hey Hospital doctors, allegedly for murder.

The judge said, in fact, the Liverpool-based hospital had provided "world class" care for the little boy, who suffers from a mystery brain condition.

'Fanatic' who's urged Alfie Evans' parents to 'prosecute doctors for murder'

This is the organisation that hijcked this case. A bunch of radical religious nuts stirring up the feeble minded to turn the hospital into a war zone. Much to the distress of staff and patients, many of whom are very sick and perhaps do not need riot police parked outside their doors..

What does the Christian Legal Centre believe in?
The Christian Legal Centre (CLC) represented Alfie's parents in court yesterday.

It is a branch of Christian Concern - a religious lobbying organisation which has been vocal on a range of topics including abortion and gender identity.

The organisation says “divorce, homosexuality and transsexualism are the three most significant challenges to God’s pattern for family in today’s society.”

It has also fought against compulsory sexual education in school.

A mission statement on Christian Concern's website reads: “We have a passion to see the United Kingdom return to the Christian faith.

“Our nation has been shaped and defined by this faith for hundreds of years.

“Yet in the last few decades, the nation has largely turned her back on Jesus and embraced alternative ideas such as secular liberal humanism, moral relativism and sexual licence.

“The fruit of this can be seen in widespread family breakdown, immorality and social disintegration.”

On abortion, the website adds: “At Christian Concern we resist abortion and aim to inform women of its dangers.

"We believe that every unborn child should have their right to life protected.”

The CLC, to which Pavel Stroilov is linked, claims it handles more religious discrimination cases than any other group in the UK, the Liverpool Echo reports.

It exists "to defend Christians in the public sphere and to protect the freedom of Christians to live their lives in accordance with their Christian beliefs.”

 

[JoeB131]

There was no reason not to release him to the Italians......cost them nothing to exercise a little compassion.

And then what do you do with the next case where you don't get a lot of sympathy money? "Well, you didn't raise enough money, so we let your kid die!" Then the religious nutters would be crying about that.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

 

[JoeB131]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

As opposed to a big corporation deciding when you die?

Okay, let's compare.

Alfie Evans- Brain dead, kept alive for months on the taxpayers dime until it was determined that he had no hope of recovery without artificial support.

vs.

Nataline Sarkisyan, a 17 year old girl who needed a liver transplant, the doctors said she had at least a 60% chance of recovery, but Cigna called the process "experimental" and refused to pay for it. Her father sued, but the courts ruled that because Cigna's contract was with his employer and not him, they could refuse the payments.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

Your statement makes no sense.
If cost was the issue then the cheap option would have been to send him off to Italy.
Cost was not the issue.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

That they do.

Scientists Have Reversed Brain Damage in a 2-Year-Old Girl Who Drowned in a Swimming Pool

Alfie wasn't a two year old who drowned in a pool. He had MDS and had already lost 70% of the white matter in his brain.

So, it should’ve been up to the parents 100% ~ 0% up to the government

No, the childs rights are paramount.

 

[Rustic]

There was no reason not to release him to the Italians......cost them nothing to exercise a little compassion.

And then what do you do with the next case where you don't get a lot of sympathy money? "Well, you didn't raise enough money, so we let your kid die!" Then the religious nutters would be crying about that.

The government should’ve stayed out of it, they have no moral authority. Plus the healthcare over there was incompetent

 

[Rustic]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

Yep, Orwellian