How should we think about this?

Do you find the humanitarian impulse of 73% of Americans saying they want taxpayer money to cover medical expenses for a hospital visit for the uninsured troubling?
No, I find it unsurprising that so many people want "free" money.

You seem to find it unsurprising that fifteen years after the Affordable Care Act was passed, we are even talking about getting hospital bills paid. Why is that?

Aren't you glad they never passed anything called the "Safe Cars Act," or the "Well-maintained Highways Act?" We'd all be dying in fiery crashes after falling from collapsed overpasses!
 
You seem to find it unsurprising that fifteen years after the Affordable Care Act was passed, we are even talking about getting hospital bills paid. Why is that?
The thread is about the differing attitudes of Americans towards covering a hospital bill for the uninsured. Not the ACA.
 
The thread is about the differing attitudes of Americans towards covering a hospital bill for the uninsured. Not the ACA.
The ACA has nothing to do with how Americans pay their hospital bills if they have no insurance?

Weird.

When they were hyping it, they talked endlessly about Americans being driven to bankruptcy by hospital bills due to no or inadequate insurance.

Were you around in those days?
 
The ACA is a broken program and it needs to be completely trashed. All we are doing is plugging leaks on the Titanic.
You don’t jump off a ship in the middle of the ocean unless you have something better to jump ON TO.

We don’t
 

Americans Support Federal Funding for Hospital Bills of Uninsured, With Limits​

A separate nationally representative web survey using Gallup’s probability-based panel, conducted Nov. 3-16, tested the public’s views on whether the federal government should provide funding to hospitals to cover medical expenses for uninsured Americans. When asked simply if the government should provide such funding, 73% of Americans say it should, and 25% say it should not. While majorities of Democrats (93%) and independents (78%) agree that the government should pay for the care of uninsured patients, a majority of Republicans (53%) disagree.

Americans have a different perspective on covering hospitals’ costs for the uninsured when the question specifies the residency status of those patients. When asked to choose from three options, a slim majority of U.S. adults (51%) favor federal funding to cover medical expenses for uninsured legal residents of the U.S., while 33% think it should cover costs for all uninsured patients, including those living in the country illegally. Another 14% of Americans believe the government should not pay hospitals for any costs incurred by uninsured patients.

A majority of Republicans (70%) and a plurality of independents (50%) support funding for uninsured patients living in the U.S. legally. In contrast, a majority of Democrats (59%) support federal funding for all uninsured patients, regardless of their legal status.


It's a poll that tells us a lot about who we are and yet leaves our attitudes as a nation open to interpretation. Perhaps raising more questions than it answers.

Are the 73% who favor using taxpayer money to pay the medical bills for the uninsured closet socialists when it comes to medical treatment for the needy? Have we become so enamored with tribal politics that it influences how we think our fellow human beings should be treated when it comes to their health? How should we balance matters of morality with fiscal responsibility? Is there a better way to design the healthcare delivery system of the country?
We should think that you are an idiot.
 
The ACA is a broken program and it needs to be completely trashed. All we are doing is plugging leaks on the Titanic.
Get back to us when R's have a viable alternative. But they don't. Something they should have considered before trying to break the ACA.
 
No shit Sherlock. I purposely avoided making any reference to the parts of the poll referring to the ACA.
How odd that a poll about something that "has nothing to do with the ACA," would have questions about the ACA.

I understand why you want ot run away from the ACA. Obviously.

But that was you Democrats and 'not Democrats' idea, passed with zero Republican votes. Therefore any problems people have with healthcare being unaffordable is absolutely on you.
 
How odd that a poll about something that "has nothing to do with the ACA," would have questions about the ACA.
Didn't say that. I said......."I purposely avoided making any reference to the parts of the poll referring to the ACA."

You have a very bad habit of being dependent on deceit to make an argument.
 
So in your opinion getting better health outcomes at a lower per capita cost makes people feel less free? How "free" do you think Americans who can't afford health insurance feel?
You have zero proof that they get better health outcomes.
 

Americans Support Federal Funding for Hospital Bills of Uninsured, With Limits​

A separate nationally representative web survey using Gallup’s probability-based panel, conducted Nov. 3-16, tested the public’s views on whether the federal government should provide funding to hospitals to cover medical expenses for uninsured Americans. When asked simply if the government should provide such funding, 73% of Americans say it should, and 25% say it should not. While majorities of Democrats (93%) and independents (78%) agree that the government should pay for the care of uninsured patients, a majority of Republicans (53%) disagree.

Americans have a different perspective on covering hospitals’ costs for the uninsured when the question specifies the residency status of those patients. When asked to choose from three options, a slim majority of U.S. adults (51%) favor federal funding to cover medical expenses for uninsured legal residents of the U.S., while 33% think it should cover costs for all uninsured patients, including those living in the country illegally. Another 14% of Americans believe the government should not pay hospitals for any costs incurred by uninsured patients.

A majority of Republicans (70%) and a plurality of independents (50%) support funding for uninsured patients living in the U.S. legally. In contrast, a majority of Democrats (59%) support federal funding for all uninsured patients, regardless of their legal status.


It's a poll that tells us a lot about who we are and yet leaves our attitudes as a nation open to interpretation. Perhaps raising more questions than it answers.

Are the 73% who favor using taxpayer money to pay the medical bills for the uninsured closet socialists when it comes to medical treatment for the needy? Have we become so enamored with tribal politics that it influences how we think our fellow human beings should be treated when it comes to their health? How should we balance matters of morality with fiscal responsibility? Is there a better way to design the healthcare delivery system of the country?
Here is something that EVERYONE should think deeply about and it sheds light on your world view.


The Entitlement Machine​

How modern progressivism caters to the worst in human behavior by cultivating outrage, infantilization, and permanent reliance​


Republicans need to recognize that they will always start any election, contest or debate from behind the sticks. It will always be first and fifteen because Democrats have a built-in advantage in elections.

Their policies cater to the worst in human nature. They reward the short term, punish the prudent, and erode the cultural preconditions of a functioning republic: responsibility, restraint, and reciprocity. Policies that indulge negative traits may feel humane in the moment but generate long-term civic fragility—and while the consequences may not be immediate, they are unavoidable.

We can debate whether it is fair or foul to have a federal income tax—and one so steeply progressive that 47 percent of income-earning Americans carry no income-tax liability. But the consequences of such a system are no longer theoretical. When nearly half the population contributes nothing to the cost of federal activity, the incentives shift in ways economists have long understood. People behave differently when they bear no financial stake in the outcomes they support. This is moral hazard dressed up as compassionate governance. If a policy costs you nothing—indeed, if someone else is footing the bill—why not vote for more spending, more subsidies, more redistribution?

A politics built on other people’s money is not merely fiscally unsound; it is psychologically seductive. Progressive policy design increasingly caters to four deeply rooted but negative human tendencies: dependency, risk displacement, infantilization, and grievance incentives. These traits are not partisan inventions—they are part of human nature. The divide exists because one side has learned to weaponize them.

Consider the latest fights over health-care subsidies. During COVID, Democrats enacted temporarily enhanced Obamacare subsidies, sold as emergency measures. But once installed, they immediately triggered predictable behavioral dynamics. What critics call “government generosity,” the public experiences as an upgrade in lifestyle. When the pre-COVID baseline was about to be restored, the reaction was not gratitude for the windfall but outrage at its removal.

This is the cycle of hedonic adaptation—people normalize benefits almost instantly—and loss aversion, the principle that losses loom larger than equivalent gains. Withdraw something that was never permanent, and the emotional response is sharper than the pleasure felt when it arrived. These tendencies feed entitlement, the belief that a conditional benefit has become an irrevocable right. The envy that follows—resentment toward anyone perceived to have “more”—becomes political jet fuel.

You can see this psychology play out in real time. Watch videos of people complaining about the temporary pause in SNAP benefits during the recent government shutdown. The reaction was not, “This is a logistical gap.” It was fury that something “owed” to them had stopped even briefly. In these clips—raw, emotional, often misdirected—you witness hedonic adaptation, loss aversion, entitlement, and envy operating simultaneously. Progressive politics thrives in this emotional ecosystem.

But subsidies are only the surface expression of a deeper architecture of dependency. When government benefits become the central organizing principle of economic life, personal agency contracts. Systems designed to help people end up trapping them, not through malice but through structure: welfare cliffs that punish earnings, housing programs that penalize marriage, college-aid formulas that reward borrowing rather than saving. A constituency stabilized by reliance reliably votes to preserve the system that sustains it.

Layered atop dependency is risk displacement. As the state assumes responsibility for ever more dimensions of life—health care, debt burdens, housing, childcare—individuals rationally outsource decision-making to government. If Washington will fix the consequences, why not make riskier choices? Student loan forgiveness illustrates this perfectly. When borrowers hear repeatedly that debts will eventually be erased, over-borrowing ceases to be a mistake and becomes a strategy. The risk is not eliminated; it is shifted to taxpayers who played no role in the original decision.

Then comes infantilization, the erosion of the expectation that adults are responsible for themselves. In the progressive worldview, individuals are not actors but subjects acted upon—shaped by systemic forces, wounded by invisible structures, forever in need of expert supervision. The message is unmistakable: adults cannot be trusted with conflict, judgment, or self-direction. Treat people like children long enough, and they will behave like children, demanding that the state manage every discomfort.

Finally, the most potent of these incentives: grievance culture. In an identity-based political framework, suffering—real or imagined—becomes currency. Policies that distribute resources or status based on demographic categories encourage people and institutions to emphasize victimhood rather than competence. The result is a politics where competing grievances become the primary mode of civic engagement.

Together, these four tendencies form a self-reinforcing ecosystem: dependency reduces agency; risk displacement normalizes irresponsibility; infantilization lowers expectations for maturity; and grievance incentives transform personal dissatisfaction into political identity.

The tragedy is not that these incentives exist—they always have. The tragedy is that modern politics treats them not as problems to be corrected but as levers to be pulled. A society governed by its worst instincts cannot sustain the prosperity and stability that once made those instincts survivable.
 
Didn't say that. I said......."I purposely avoided making any reference to the parts of the poll referring to the ACA."

You have a very bad habit of being dependent on deceit to make an argument.
So what were the "parts of the poll referring to the ACA" that were not "questions about the ACA?"
 
Republicans need to recognize that they will always start any election, contest or debate from behind the sticks. It will always be first and fifteen because Democrats have a built-in advantage in elections.

Their policies cater to the worst in human nature. They reward the short term, punish the prudent, and erode the cultural preconditions of a functioning republic: responsibility, restraint, and reciprocity.

Clearly, that's not true. Massive tax cuts passed by R's, counterintuitively supported by the people least advantaged by them, resulting in still larger deficits in return for the short term reward of incremental tax relief, "punish the prudent, and erode the cultural preconditions of a functioning republic: responsibility, restraint, and reciprocity."
 
Clearly, that's not true. Massive tax cuts passed by R's, counterintuitively supported by the people least advantaged by them, resulting in still larger deficits in return for the short term reward of incremental tax relief, "punish the prudent, and erode the cultural preconditions of a functioning republic: responsibility, restraint, and reciprocity."
So, you didn't read it all.

I didn't think you would.
 
15th post
You have zero proof that they get better health outcomes.


Despite spending nearly twice as much per capita on healthcare compared to similarly large and wealthy nations, the United States has a lower life expectancy than peer nations and the gap has grown for some measures since the COVID-19 pandemic.

This chart collection combines various measures of quality of care in the United States and other large, high-income nations (based on total and per capita GDP) to show how the U.S. stacks up against its peers and how that has changed over time. Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, and the UK are included in this analysis.

Generally, the U.S. performs worse in long-term health outcomes measures (such as life expectancy), certain treatment outcomes (such as maternal mortality and congestive heart failure hospital admissions), some patient safety measures (such as obstetric trauma with instrument), and health system capacity (such as rate of general practitioners). The U.S. performs similarly to or better than peer nations in other measures of treatment outcomes (such as mortality rates within 30 days of acute hospital treatment) and some patient safety measures (such as post-operative complications).

 
Health insurance premiums continue to rise across the board. A proven solution to that problem is a "Medicare for all" type model, employed around the world yielding better health outcomes at a lower cost, which R's refuse to consider.
Because ita"rationed healthcare"
We're not about to allow the government to control healthcare like Lois Lerner ran her IRS scam.
 
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