Canada wait-list deaths: 23,000 Canadians died, report finds

[shockedcanadian]

Simply brilliant. I'll try to comment more on it at a later date, when I have more time.

No response needed, I simply have too much time and need to share my opinion.

Here is the question, "does the U.S want to emulate our system at the costs of their own principles and/or do they wish to maintain the expansion of principles of liberty"?

As one must appreciate, Western Values used to be ubiquotous with "American Values". Since the ill-advised entry of China into the WTO, the entire global system and the objective of fair and honest engagements has been eroded.

All of this part of the plan of China and middle powers like Canada try to benefit while speaking from both sides of their mouth. This must not continue unabated.

 

[gipper]

Often, they actually are. If you have chronic health conditions, you are not likely to exceed the actuary tables of life expectancy averages in the country or even state in which you live. I have always maintained good health, for years forced to not only stay in shape, but to set the example of staying in shape, so I still do, and remain very healthy. In my case, genetics is probably a big factor, also. Like I said, my great-grandmother was born in 1862. In 1862 the average life expectancy in Tennessee was about 39 years, but she made it to almost 104. She was a heathy, little old lady. I never knew her to be sick, but she broke her hip when I was 6 or 7, but remained healthy and overcame that, to get back to doing her daily walks, half a mile up the dead end road, from the house she lived in with her younger sister, who was only in her late 80s or early 90s, again, pretty unusual for rural West Tennessee.

Many Americans are decidedly unhealthy in mind, body, and lifestyle, apparently more so, than in Canada. All of these come together to bring down the average life expectancy in the United States, compared to much of the world.

Along with a government, healthcare system, food industry, and media all colluding to kill Americans.

 

[gipper]

No response needed, I simply have too much time and need to share my opinion.

Here is the question, "does the U.S want to emulate our system at the costs of their own principles and/or do they wish to maintain the expansion of principles of liberty"?

As one must appreciate, Western Values used to be ubiquotous with "American Values". Since the ill-advised entry of China into the WTO, the entire global system and the objective of fair and honest engagements has been eroded.

All of this part of the plan of China and middle powers like Canada try to benefit while speaking from both sides of their mouth. This must not continue unabated.

You’re way too late to the party. The US like Canada is well down the road to a dystopian nightmare, where a tiny psychopathic elite control everything. Thinking the US will save Canada from the nightmare is naive.

 

[forkup]

The report emphasizes that the bulk of wait-list deaths occurred among patients awaiting procedures that could have improved their quality of life

So if I read this correctly what you're saying is that you sited a list were the only requirement is being on a waiting list for some medical procedure when you passed. No causal link between that procedure and the death is required?

Wouldn't that make the number of 23000 kind of useless? Since the only thing that number proves is that there are waiting lists for medical procedures in Canada?

 

[shockedcanadian]

You’re way too late to the party. The US like Canada is well down the road to a dystopian nightmare, where a tiny psychopathic elite control everything. Thinking the US will save Canada from the nightmare is naive.

You are not even remotely similar to Canada. You have a few too many boot lickers I agree, but these boot lickers are admonished in America as worms. In Canada they are both celebrated and feared as our society is obedient to abusers, especially those who abuse kids and the vulnerable. A.weak society of cowardly and abusive men will not survive in the globally competitive and innovative economies of 2026 and beyond. Nepotism is a recipe for disaster.

 

[forkup]

No response needed, I simply have too much time and need to share my opinion.

Here is the question, "does the U.S want to emulate our system at the costs of their own principles and/or do they wish to maintain the expansion of principles of liberty"?

As one must appreciate, Western Values used to be ubiquotous with "American Values". Since the ill-advised entry of China into the WTO, the entire global system and the objective of fair and honest engagements has been eroded.

All of this part of the plan of China and middle powers like Canada try to benefit while speaking from both sides of their mouth. This must not continue unabated.

You mean emulating a system that's cheaper and has better health outcomes?

Maybe before you site a report by a think tank that tries to muddle causation you should actually use you know... actual significant statistical numbers. Like cost per Capita, health index, child mortality, and sure you can can include wait times, which is a valid number to cite I will readily admit.

Because from were I'm sitting starting an OP that sites the number 23000 and hides the fact that that number has nothing to do with people actually dying because they are on a waiting list in a single paragraph in the middle of the story makes you at best gullible and at worst someone who tries to deceive.

 

[gipper]

You are not even remotely similar to Canada. You have a few too many boot lickers I agree, but these boot lickers are admonished in America as worms. In Canada they are both celebrated and feared as our society is obedient to abusers, especially those who abuse kids and the vulnerable. A.weak society of cowardly and abusive men will not survive in the globally competitive and innovative economies of 2026 and beyond. Nepotism is a recipe for disaster.

No. Americans are a weak, fat, dumb bunch. Yes we may have a few who’ve awakened to the fraud being perpetrated on us, which may be a slight difference from Canadians.

The Epstein scandal and Israel’s control of our government and media, are good examples of American weakness.

We’re a much bigger and more powerful country lead by criminals. So the harm caused is far greater.

 

[White 6]

Along with a government, healthcare system, food industry, and media all colluding to kill Americans.

I actually lean more toward your suggestion of blaming food industry (specifically fast food and packaged food) and media, (promoting bad choices) along with the manipulability or the modern American public, as a whole, and the fact, many do not invest in their own healthcare, in terms of insurance and regular visits, often until there is a more serious problem.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I actually lean more toward your suggestion of blaming food industry (specifically fast food and packaged food) and media, (promoting bad choices) along with the manipulability or the modern American public, as a whole, and the fact, many do not invest in their own healthcare, in terms of insurance and regular visits, often until there is a more serious problem.

It's also a lack of knowledge. Refined carbs, in fact, very high carb diets are the enemy NOT high fat. Some are still listening to experts from 80 years ago and looking for "fat free" options. Bad fats are a problem, good fats (like olive oil, butter etc) are satiating.

If looking at the back of a products ingredients, I start with sugar content and then move to carb content. Calories will be next. When I see high fat I am fine with it. The more I learn the more confident I am in my eating decisions, I'm like a sponge so I investigate and search repeated confirmation.

I've learned a great deal about insulin levels and how getting them down is critical to keeping weight off because if we don't it will become fat. I've learned about intermittent fasting, I've learned to walk immediately after a meal (even if just around the house in the Winter), apple cider vinegar diluted in water from time to time before a high carb meal, eat protein and fiber before carbs to help absorb the carbs and keep insulin levels down etc.

I know this much, if I had this knowledge when I wrestled I would have saved myself hours of running outside with a garbage bag on!

 

[White 6]

It's also a lack of knowledge. Refined carbs, in fact, very high carb diets are the enemy NOT high fat. Some are still listening to experts from 80 years ago and looking for "fat free" options. Bad fats are a problem, good fats (like olive oil, butter etc) are satiating.

If looking at the back of a products ingredients, I start with sugar content and then move to carb content. Calories will be next. When I see high fat I am fine with it. The more I learn the more confident I am in my eating decisions, I'm like a sponge so I investigate and do repeated influence.

I've learned a great deal about insulin levels and how getting them down is critical to keeping weight off because if we don't it will become fat. I've learned about intermittent fasting, I've learned to walk immediately after a meal (even if just around the house in the Winter), apple cider vinegar diluted in water from time to time before a high carb meal, eat protein and fiber before carbs to help absorb the carbs and keep insulin levels down etc.

I know this much, if I had this knowledge when I wrestled I would have saved myself hours of running outside with a garbage bag on!

Still, it goes back to what the packaged food industry and fast food industry in this country promotes, through media and advertising, starting on the very young. Much of this does taste great, but promoting it and shortcuts to make the stuff taste great cheaper, with only consideration of profits, and no oversight is what does it. There are lots of things processed, packaged, and promoted here, that are not healthy, many not even allowed in many foreign countries. We're more of a "Let the buyer beware", "Any way to make a buck" country.

 

[hjmick]

Those weren't "wait list deaths," they were all participating in Canada's Medical Assistance in Dying program...

 

[Dragonlady]

That's a pretty cold blooded way for Canada to control healthcare costs. I can't believe any American would want a "Single Payer" healthcare system when we have such an egregious example right next door to us.

And none of is true. SecondStreet.org is an American funded, right wing think tank that pretends to be unbiased, but advocates for free market solutions.

The American funded is important because US healthcare companies have been trying to obtain unfettered access to Canadian markets for decades.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I wonder if they offer the Creepy Ones who have destroyed our nation through their covert police abuses the MAID option when they seek medical assistance?

Canada is failing its citizens and America knows this. The strategy is to wait Trump out, however, if the Trump administration rips up USMCA and negotiations separate deals with the us and Mexico, or worse, focuses provincially to divide Canada even more; with how much the caste system has decimated this nations most endearing qualities, there will be no one willing to fight for Canadas future when situation demands it.

Don't blame me, I am one of it's many once unwitting victims as the TPS, Peel Region Police, DRPS and OPP, among others, milked the system of tens of millions just to destroy one kid. Multiply these nefarious acts against our population by many thousands and you can see how an unaccountable covert police state which rewards the least impressive among us while destroying its most driven and patriotic has lost faith from its citizens, perhaps irreparably.

America must look to Japan and other allies who believe in American Values and will fight for them, sacrificing their flesh and blood for freedom because we have long failed our nation. I will keep spreading the news and demanding accountability as they steal my home after decades of stealing my dreams. I hope the federal government, Public Safety Minister and other key stakeholders heed my warning because details and truth spread fast in todays small world of rapid communication.

To the more than 23,000 who died waiting, many of us tried to clean up this corrupt system of abusers and their feckless boot lickers who happily destroyed their fellow citizen. Weak, lying, heathen, rats have overrun the ship. Our duty is to align with those who demand accountability and stand up for our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any violator in a position of power is an enemy to all that is good.

If our politicians won't protect us I ask that Americans meander with our population and reach out to us who pursue the rights ordained by G-d. We are getting destroyed here and you are well aware of this by now.

Tens of thousands of Canadians died waiting for medical care in the past year: report

A new report is raising alarm over growing wait-list deaths in Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

A new report is raising alarm over growing wait-list deaths in Canada.

The report from public policy think tank SecondStreet.org revealed that at least 23,746 patients died in Canada while waiting for surgeries or diagnostic procedures between April 2024 and March 2025.

The figures are a three per cent increase from the previous year and push the total number of reported wait-list deaths since 2018 to more than 100,000.


The organization says the findings are based on freedom of information (FOI) requests summitted to more than 40 provincial and territorial health bodies.

The report warned that several jurisdictions provided only partial data, while Alberta and some parts of Manitoba provided none, meaning the true total is likely higher.

“It’s interesting that governments will regularly inspect restaurants and report publicly if there’s a minor problem such as a missing paper towel holder,” SecondStreet.org president Colin Craig said in a news release. “Meanwhile, no government reports publicly on patients dying on waiting lists. It’s quite hypocritical.”

Behind the numbers​

Behind the statistics are the lives of Canadians like Debbie Fewster, a Manitoba mother of three who was told in July 2024 she needed heart surgery within three weeks, the report says.

Instead, she waited more than two months. She died on Thanksgiving Day.

Her death, like many others, became public only because her family spoke out, the report says.

Similar stories have emerged across the country: 19-year-old Laura Hillier and 16-year-old Finlay van der Werken of Ontario who died while waiting for treatment; Alberta’s Jerry Dunham also passed away in 2020 while waiting for a pacemaker.

Widespread strain​

Ontario recorded the highest number of wait-list deaths: 10,634, including more than 9,100 diagnostic-scan deaths where patients died before reaching the point of receiving or being scheduled for surgery.

Quebec was second with 6,290, while B.C. followed with 4,620. Smaller provinces also saw a number of deaths including Nova Scotia (727), Newfoundland and Labrador (542), Saskatchewan (419), Prince Edward Island (178) and New Brunswick (121).

Manitoba reported 215 deaths but that data is partial.

The report emphasizes that the bulk of wait-list deaths occurred among patients awaiting procedures that could have improved their quality of life, such as hip and knee surgeries, cataract operations and MRIs, but a significant subset involved potentially life-saving interventions including heart surgeries and cancer treatments.

Ontario’s cardiac data alone showed 355 deaths among patients waiting for heart procedures. In at least 90 cases, patients waited beyond recommended timelines or more than 90 days.

The wait times associated with some recorded deaths ranged from under a week to nearly nine years.

The organization noted that even waiting for “non-life-saving” procedures can become life-altering. Patients awaiting cataract surgery may lose functional vision, for example, while those waiting for joint replacement often live sedentary lives increasing the risk of falls, blood clots or other complications.

Issue isn’t funding: report​

At $244 billion, public health-care spending from 2024 to 2025 reached a historic high, the report said, with per-capita spending tripling to $5,943 from the mid-1990s. Canada also remains one of the world’s top health-care spenders.

But high spending has not translated into improved performance, the report said.

The brief cites research from the Fraser Institute showing Canada has fewer doctors, hospital beds and MRI machines per capita than many other universal health-care systems – and longer wait times.

Calls for reform​

The brief outlines key policy options that provincial governments could adopt to reduce wait times and prevent further deaths.

One is tracking and disclosing wait-list deaths. A 2021 poll commissioned by SecondStreet.org found that 79 per cent of Canadians think governments should carefully track and disclose data on how long patients wait for care, how that compares to maximum recommended waiting periods, and what the eventual patient outcome is.

Another proposed policy change is adopting activity-based funding where hospitals are paid based on the number of patients they treat rather than receiving large annual lump-sum budgets.

Other recommendations include partnering with private clinics at lower costs than hospitals, providing patients a mix of public and private options, and adopting an EU-style “Cross Border Directive” that would allow patients to seek treatment elsewhere either within or outside Canada and be reimbursed up to the amount their provincial government would have spent.

23,000 / 41,600,000 X 100 = 0.055%.

Bit of a none story. With anything in life, there can be failures/improvements, and around half of one percent is good going.

 

[shockedcanadian]

23,000 / 41,600,000 X 100 = 0.055%.

Bit of a none story. With anything in life, there can be failures/improvements, and around half of one percent is good going.

Erfr, no, this is not the correct equation. You need to apply the number of people who visited a hospital or doctor, were advised they needed increased even immediate medical attention and of that total what percentage does 23,000 dead who didn't receive this medical assistance represent. Also, why pay into a service that you cannot use?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Erfr, no, this is not the correct equation. You need to apply the number of people who visited a hospital or doctor, were advised they needed increased even immediate medical attention and of that total what percentage does 23,000 dead who didn't receive this medical assistance represent. Also, why pay into a service that you cannot use?

You will probably find the number/frequency of admissions, attendances, and out patient appointments will probably be twice to three times the population number. Someone with an agenda will skew the numbers to validate their claim they're trying to make with a bizarre conclusion, but the reality is, it's a tiny percentage.

Just like COVID deaths and how dreadful such and such was, equate deaths to world population and it's a tiny tiny tiny percentage, but everyone had to suffer the fallout from lockdown economies to make the figures a tiny tiny percentage.

But some are bothered by tiny percentages, I'm not.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You will probably find the number/frequency of admissions, attendances, and out patient appointments will probably be twice to three times the population number. Someone with an agenda will skew the numbers to validate their claim they're trying to make with a bizarre conclusion, but the reality is, it's a tiny percentage.

Just like COVID deaths and how dreadful such and such was, equate deaths to world population and it's a tiny tiny tiny percentage, but everyone had to suffer the fallout from lockdown economies to make the figures a tiny tiny percentage.

But some are bothered by tiny percentages, I'm not.

You are mad.

 

[Captain Caveman]

You are mad.

Ok

 

[Dragonlady]

No, we are victims of an enforced caste system. The elites will get healthcare, the poor will die, even if they both pay an equal percentage into the system.

You're the victim of brain rot.

CANADIANS get health care. I don't know where YOU live, but it's obviously NOT Canada.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You're the victim of brain rot.

CANADIANS get health care. I don't know where YOU live, but it's obviously NOT Canada.

Tell your handler that you continue to destroy us with your efforts against me. A dozen international agencies and the most important in the U.S. In the meantime, from CTV:

Tens of thousands of Canadians died waiting for medical care in the past year: report Tens of thousands of Canadians died waiting for medical care in the past year: report​

 

[Dragonlady]

Interesting.
A view of longevity by country 2025 lists Canada as 19th in the world, compared to the United States in 48th place.

Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2026) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by life expectancy at birth, both sexes, males and females. World Population Life Expectancy with historical chart

www.worldometers.info

Here is what you need to read:

"The report emphasizes that the bulk of wait-list deaths occurred among patients awaiting procedures that could have improved their quality of life, such as hip and knee surgeries, cataract operations and MRIs, but a significant subset involved potentially life-saving interventions including heart surgeries and cancer treatments."

I was on a waiting list for 2 years for my knee replacement. If I had a heart attack and died before I have my knee surgery, they would have counted me as a "waiting list death". But everybody my age is on a waiting list for something.

Waiting lists were horrendous after covid but they're back down to reasonable levels again. I had to wait an extra year for my surgery. With our system, you get in line BEFORE you actually need the surgery, because there are waiting lists.

I need to get in line for hip surgery. I don't need it now, but I will in a year or two. I had a long wait for my knee surgery, but my friend, who couldn't walk and was in agony, went to the doctor in September and had the surgery 3 weeks later, giving her just enough time to make arrangements for her post surgery care and transportation, before she went in for a double knee replacement. Triage.