I will not Bow!

[toastman]

Actually, outside of the Americans, the world is getting sick and tired of Israel's tactics designed to make it impossible for the creation of a Palestinian state. Heck, even the U.S. leadership (not the dummies) is beginning to figure it out.

The world wants a two state solution. Israel and Palestine.

Israel is making this almost impossible to happen.

If the current peace talks fail, the world might aswell just start demanding the one state solution and embargo Israel until they comply.

Actually, there won't be a one state or two state solution.

A one state solution would mean that all the Arabs living in the West Bank AND Gaza would be part of the State of Israel. This will obviously cause massive demographic issues for Israel. Also, there are plenty of Palestinians who will still be extremely hostile towards Israel, even if they do accept the one state solution (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad). Do you really expect these Palestinians to live in this ONE STATE in peace?? No. They want it all

 

[Victory67]

Actually, there won't be a one state or two state solution.

A one state solution would mean that all the Arabs living in the West Bank AND Gaza would be part of the State of Israel. This will obviously cause massive demographic issues for Israel. Also, there are plenty of Palestinians who will still be extremely hostile towards Israel, even if they do accept the one state solution (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad). Do you really expect these Palestinians to live in this ONE STATE in peace?? No. They want it all

Many Israelis want it all.

Many Palestinians want it all.

Houston, we have a problem.

 

[montelatici]

Actually, outside of the Americans, the world is getting sick and tired of Israel's tactics designed to make it impossible for the creation of a Palestinian state. Heck, even the U.S. leadership (not the dummies) is beginning to figure it out.

The world wants a two state solution. Israel and Palestine.

Israel is making this almost impossible to happen.

If the current peace talks fail, the world might aswell just start demanding the one state solution and embargo Israel until they comply.

Actually, there won't be a one state or two state solution.

A one state solution would mean that all the Arabs living in the West Bank AND Gaza would be part of the State of Israel. This will obviously cause massive demographic issues for Israel. Also, there are plenty of Palestinians who will still be extremely hostile towards Israel, even if they do accept the one state solution (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad). Do you really expect these Palestinians to live in this ONE STATE in peace?? No. They want it all

Then, either Israel ethnically cleanses all the non-Jews (to maintain a Jewish majority), or Israel will have to continue to exist as a non-democratic apartheid state. There are no other options that I can see.

Possibly, with continued U.S. support to counter the world's rejection, Israel will succeed where the white South Africans (and Rhodesians) could not.

 

[Indeependent]

"Right of return for 3 million people who have never lived on the land"

The European Jews that settled in Palestine had never lived on the land.

I don't mind millions of Jews going to Israel as long as the rights of non-Jews are respected.

The British and the League of Nations must have seen a problem on the horizon when they made Jewish settlement in Palestine and the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine conditional upon the full respect for non-Jewish civil & religious rights in Palestine.

Their concerns have been realized a million times over.

I wonder if the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, and the Mandate for Palestine would have happened if they could see in the future how Israel treats non-Jews in the West Bank. Probably not. The Jews would today be stuck in Europe, Russia, and the Muslim lands.

If they were Christians instead of Muslims there never would have been a problem.
Show me a Christian country today that WANTS Muslims.
Hypocrite.

 

[toastman]

Actually, there won't be a one state or two state solution.

A one state solution would mean that all the Arabs living in the West Bank AND Gaza would be part of the State of Israel. This will obviously cause massive demographic issues for Israel. Also, there are plenty of Palestinians who will still be extremely hostile towards Israel, even if they do accept the one state solution (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad). Do you really expect these Palestinians to live in this ONE STATE in peace?? No. They want it all

Many Israelis want it all.

Many Palestinians want it all.

Houston, we have a problem.

Israelis aren't going to start killing Palestinians because they want more land somewhere else.

Palestinians have many times and will continue to attack/kill Israelis because they want their land.

BIG difference

 

[Indeependent]

The world wants a two state solution. Israel and Palestine.

Israel is making this almost impossible to happen.

If the current peace talks fail, the world might aswell just start demanding the one state solution and embargo Israel until they comply.

Actually, there won't be a one state or two state solution.

A one state solution would mean that all the Arabs living in the West Bank AND Gaza would be part of the State of Israel. This will obviously cause massive demographic issues for Israel. Also, there are plenty of Palestinians who will still be extremely hostile towards Israel, even if they do accept the one state solution (Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad). Do you really expect these Palestinians to live in this ONE STATE in peace?? No. They want it all

Then, either Israel ethnically cleanses all the non-Jews (to maintain a Jewish majority), or Israel will have to continue to exist as a non-democratic apartheid state. There are no other options that I can see.

Possibly, with continued U.S. support to counter the world's rejection, Israel will succeed where the white South Africans (and Rhodesians) could not.

Once again, why aren't the Arab Oil Sheiks bribing the US?

 

[Victory67]

Once again, why aren't the Arab Oil Sheiks bribing the US?

How many Arab Oil Sheiks are American citizens?

 

[Indeependent]

Once again, why aren't the Arab Oil Sheiks bribing the US?

How many Arab Oil Sheiks are American citizens?

Don't even suggest that our Representatives aren't influenced by foreign money.

 

[Victory67]

Don't even suggest that our Representatives aren't influenced by foreign money.

I've seen no evidence that they are. You're welcome to clear the air.

 

[Sally]

Once again, why aren't the Arab Oil Sheiks bribing the US?

How many Arab Oil Sheiks are American citizens?

Don't even suggest that our Representatives aren't influenced by foreign money.

Say, didn't the Saudis give the money to set up Jimmy Carter's Center?

 

[Phoenall]

"Right of return for 3 million people who have never lived on the land"

The European Jews that settled in Palestine had never lived on the land.

They were invited migrants who had more ties to the land than the 3 million muslims who had never lived there. Each and every one had a distinguishing Jewish Gene while the muslims had nothing to tie them to the land.

 

[Indeependent]

Don't even suggest that our Representatives aren't influenced by foreign money.

I've seen no evidence that they are. You're welcome to clear the air.

Easy...US 's lukewarm Israel policy from the 1960s until about 6 months into GWs first term.
Example? Every single time Israel was about to kill/arrest Yassar Arafat, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Every time Israel was winning a war in overt Arab Territory, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Israel was prevented by the US from freeing Lebanon from the Syrian/PLO invasion in 1982.
Clinton was totally anti-Israel and I blame him for not allowing Israel to implement anti-Intifada strategies.

You really have to brush up on modern history.

 

[Victory67]

Don't even suggest that our Representatives aren't influenced by foreign money.

I've seen no evidence that they are. You're welcome to clear the air.

Easy...US 's lukewarm Israel policy from the 1960s until about 6 months into GWs first term.
Example? Every single time Israel was about to kill/arrest Yassar Arafat, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Every time Israel was winning a war in overt Arab Territory, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Israel was prevented by the US from freeing Lebanon from the Syrian/PLO invasion in 1982.
Clinton was totally anti-Israel and I blame him for not allowing Israel to implement anti-Intifada strategies.

You really have to brush up on modern history.

The USA allowed Israel to conquer the massive Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and occupy a large chunk of Lebanon for decades.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

 

[Phoenall]

Surely if Israel acquired any land there would be documents showing a treaty or agreement. Any land won would be defined by definite borders.

I don't see where that has ever happened.

*yawn* Still peddling the same crap eh??

Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan.

Israel captured the land land during the 1948 war. This land was NOT UNDER SOVEREIGNTY. Now, this land is inside the GREEN LINE. Land inside the Green Line belongs to Israel.

The whole "there are no documents showing Israel acquiring land" shtick is one of your many made up crap that you never read anywhere.

Let me ask you this, where did you read that Israel needs documents to show they acquired that land in order for the land to be theirs ?? I would really love to know

This land was NOT UNDER SOVEREIGNTY.

If you are implying that this was not Palestinian land then that begs the question:

Why is it that the negotiation between Israel and Palestine over who gets what land is a final status issue. If it is not Palestinian land then why are they involved in that negotiation?

Because Israel is acting honourably in dealing with the muslim terrorists. They don't have to as there is no mention of Palestine in the relevant UN resolutions dealing with the borders of Israel.

 

[Indeependent]

I've seen no evidence that they are. You're welcome to clear the air.

Easy...US 's lukewarm Israel policy from the 1960s until about 6 months into GWs first term.
Example? Every single time Israel was about to kill/arrest Yassar Arafat, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Every time Israel was winning a war in overt Arab Territory, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Israel was prevented by the US from freeing Lebanon from the Syrian/PLO invasion in 1982.
Clinton was totally anti-Israel and I blame him for not allowing Israel to implement anti-Intifada strategies.

You really have to brush up on modern history.

The USA allowed Israel to conquer the massive Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and occupy a large chunk of Lebanon for decades.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

 

[Sally]

Easy...US 's lukewarm Israel policy from the 1960s until about 6 months into GWs first term.
Example? Every single time Israel was about to kill/arrest Yassar Arafat, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Every time Israel was winning a war in overt Arab Territory, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Israel was prevented by the US from freeing Lebanon from the Syrian/PLO invasion in 1982.
Clinton was totally anti-Israel and I blame him for not allowing Israel to implement anti-Intifada strategies.

You really have to brush up on modern history.

The USA allowed Israel to conquer the massive Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and occupy a large chunk of Lebanon for decades.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

I find it amusing how the Arabs and their fellow travelers keep on bringing up the $3 billion a year. What they feel to mention is that most of the money is to be spent here in our defense industries, which gives jobs to American defense workers. Meanwhile, so much of the other money that we give in foreign aid goes right into the pockets of the tyrants or dictators who run these other countries and never is used for the people the aid was intended for.

 

[Indeependent]

The USA allowed Israel to conquer the massive Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and occupy a large chunk of Lebanon for decades.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

I find it amusing how the Arabs and their fellow travelers keep on bringing up the $3 billion a year. What they feel to mention is that most of the money is to be spent here in our defense industries, which gives jobs to American defense workers. Meanwhile, so much of the other money that we give in foreign aid goes right into the pockets of the tyrants or dictators who run these other countries and never is used for the people the aid was intended for.

True.
They never mention how much money the US hands out to their already immensely wealthy elite and how many military personnel the US has stationed there to protect the oil fields; and the US gets to pay the Market Price in return.
Sweet deal.

 

[Victory67]

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

Israel occupies the Golan Heights. Their annexation was illegal.

 

[Kondor3]

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

Israel occupies the Golan Heights. Their annexation was illegal.

Did they ever get around to annexing the West Bank, or are they just occupying it?

 

[Indeependent]

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

Israel occupies the Golan Heights. Their annexation was illegal.

The sole utility of the Golan Heights is securing the border from a Syrian attack.
You know those warm and fuzzy Syrians.
I bet you just LOVE them.