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People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose.



Abbas says he won't make concessions on Jerusalem

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sent a defiant message to Israel's leadership and U.S. mediators Saturday, telling cheering supporters that the Palestinians "won't kneel" and won't drop demands for a capital in east Jerusalem.







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Abbas' unusually fiery speech highlighted the wide gaps between him and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the outlines of a peace deal. It also raised new doubts about the chances of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to bridge those gaps in coming weeks and come up with a framework for an agreement.

Abbas adopted tough positions in the wide-ranging speech, saying that "there will be no peace" without a Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem and that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

He also suggested he would not continue negotiations beyond a U.S.-set target date of the end of April, and instead will resume his quest for broader international recognition of a state of Palestine by the United Nations and its various agencies.
 
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That's real good. Now we know the Palestinians will never have a state.
They can wait...Demographics will do the rest in a one state solution.
 

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The Palestinian Arabs won't regain their dignity until they stop allowing themselves to be the fall guys for the Arab League's ambitions for a judenrein ME.

Their "leadership" has been given the same choice over and over since the Mandate days - and they have chosen over and over to reject any 'relations' but war with an Israel of any size or shape.

Trust the fools to 'romanticize' that into some fantasy of the 'noble savage' .......

The world saw what Jordan (the Palestinian ethnic state) did with Jerusalem when they got the chance - thousands of Jerusalemites ethnically cleansed, tens of thousands of graves in the Mt of Olives cemetery desecrated, their tombstones used to pave roads and line sewer ditches.
 
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The Palestinian Arabs won't regain their dignity until they stop allowing themselves to be the fall guys for the Arab League's ambitions for a judenrein ME.

Their "leadership" has been given the same choice over and over since the Mandate days - and they have chosen over and over to reject any 'relations' but war with an Israel of any size or shape.

Trust the fools to 'romanticize' that into some fantasy of the 'noble savage' .......

The world saw what Jordan (the Palestinian ethnic state) did with Jerusalem when they got the chance - thousands of Jerusalemites ethnically cleansed, tens of thousands of graves in the Mt of Olives cemetery desecrated, their tombstones used to pave roads and line sewer ditches.
Noble savage.. your illiteracy and libel is the cause of war...Palestinians are the most educated Arabs on the peninsula....Abbas has a PhD along with thousands of others...
 

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The Palestinian Arabs won't regain their dignity until they stop allowing themselves to be the fall guys for the Arab League's ambitions for a judenrein ME.

Their "leadership" has been given the same choice over and over since the Mandate days - and they have chosen over and over to reject any 'relations' but war with an Israel of any size or shape.

Trust the fools to 'romanticize' that into some fantasy of the 'noble savage' .......

The world saw what Jordan (the Palestinian ethnic state) did with Jerusalem when they got the chance - thousands of Jerusalemites ethnically cleansed, tens of thousands of graves in the Mt of Olives cemetery desecrated, their tombstones used to pave roads and line sewer ditches.
Noble savage.. your illiteracy and libel is the cause of war...Palestinians are the most educated Arabs on the peninsula....Abbas has a PhD along with thousands of others...

Really, Pbel, I think by now the readers realize you are not interested in the Arabs as a whole so of course you are not interested even in the Arabs killing each other. Can you tell us how people are nobel when they send in people as suicide bombers and then treat these suicide bombers as celebrities? Did you know what Abbas thesis is, Pbel? I believe is was denial of the Holocaust.
 
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The Palestinian Arabs won't regain their dignity until they stop allowing themselves to be the fall guys for the Arab League's ambitions for a judenrein ME.

Their "leadership" has been given the same choice over and over since the Mandate days - and they have chosen over and over to reject any 'relations' but war with an Israel of any size or shape.

Trust the fools to 'romanticize' that into some fantasy of the 'noble savage' .......

The world saw what Jordan (the Palestinian ethnic state) did with Jerusalem when they got the chance - thousands of Jerusalemites ethnically cleansed, tens of thousands of graves in the Mt of Olives cemetery desecrated, their tombstones used to pave roads and line sewer ditches.
Noble savage.. your illiteracy and libel is the cause of war...Palestinians are the most educated Arabs on the peninsula....Abbas has a PhD along with thousands of others...

Really, Pbel, I think by now the readers realize you are not interested in the Arabs as a whole so of course you are not interested even in the Arabs killing each other. Can you tell us how people are nobel when they send in people as suicide bombers and then treat these suicide bombers as celebrities? Did you know what Abbas thesis is, Pbel? I believe is was denial of the Holocaust.
Lying again....

Mahmoud Abbas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism

The Connection between the Nazis and the Leaders of the Zionist Movement 1933 - 1945 is the title of Mahmoud Abbas' CandSc thesis, completed in 1982 at the Peoples' Friendship University of Russia, and defended at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Soviet Academy of Sciences. In 1984 it was published as a book in Arabic titled "The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism" (Arabic: al-Wajh al-Akhar: al-'Alaqat as-Sirriya bayna an-Naziya wa's-Sihyuniya).

The dissertation and book discussed topics such as the Haavara Agreement, by which the Third Reich agreed with the Jewish Agency to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine, in conjunction with the UK and was never a secret at all.[12][62] Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by critics, especially the parts disputing the accepted number of deaths in the Holocaust as well as the accusations that Zionist agitation was the cause of the Holocaust[63] a charge that he denies.[64] However, in 2013 he reasserted the veracity of the contents of his thesis, that "the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis".[65][66]
Through Secret Channels (1995) Memoirs of the Oslo agreement
 

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An Israeli unilateral and enforced two-state solution with Israeli maintaining security provisions in Palestine.

No right of return.

No removal of the wall.

No Palestinian capital in Jerusalem.
 

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The Palestinian Arabs won't regain their dignity until they stop allowing themselves to be the fall guys for the Arab League's ambitions for a judenrein ME.

Their "leadership" has been given the same choice over and over since the Mandate days - and they have chosen over and over to reject any 'relations' but war with an Israel of any size or shape.

Trust the fools to 'romanticize' that into some fantasy of the 'noble savage' .......

The world saw what Jordan (the Palestinian ethnic state) did with Jerusalem when they got the chance - thousands of Jerusalemites ethnically cleansed, tens of thousands of graves in the Mt of Olives cemetery desecrated, their tombstones used to pave roads and line sewer ditches.
Noble savage.. your illiteracy and libel is the cause of war...Palestinians are the most educated Arabs on the peninsula....Abbas has a PhD along with thousands of others...
MY 'illiteracy'?????? How absurd. YOU are the one who's fantasizing about the Palestinians, not I. And I notice you studiously avoided replying to the facts about the way certain 'Palestinians' treated Jerusalem while they had control over her : ((
 

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Oh, isn't that cute - Abbas' 'dissertation' was indeed Holocaust denial:

The dissertation and book discussed topics such as the Haavara Agreement, by which the Third Reich agreed with the Jewish Agency to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine, in conjunction with the UK and was never a secret at all.[12][62] Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by critics, especially the parts disputing the accepted number of deaths in the Holocaust as well as the accusations that Zionist agitation was the cause of the Holocaust[63] a charge that he denies.[64] However, in 2013 he reasserted the veracity of the contents of his thesis, that "the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis".[65][66]
 
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Oh, isn't that cute - Abbas' 'dissertation' was indeed Holocaust denial:

The dissertation and book discussed topics such as the Haavara Agreement, by which the Third Reich agreed with the Jewish Agency to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine, in conjunction with the UK and was never a secret at all.[12][62] Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by critics, especially the parts disputing the accepted number of deaths in the Holocaust as well as the accusations that Zionist agitation was the cause of the Holocaust[63] a charge that he denies.[64] However, in 2013 he reasserted the veracity of the contents of his thesis, that "the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis".[65][66]
Haavara Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was agreed to by the German government in 1933 to allow the Zionist movement, in the form of the Haavara company to transfer property from Germany to Palestine, for the sole purpose of encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany. The Haavara company operated under a similar plan as the earlier Hanotea company. The Haavara Company required immigrants to pay at least 1000 pounds sterling into the banking company. This money would then be used to buy German exports for import to Palestine.

The Haavara Agreement was thought among certain circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Von Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier.[5] Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6]

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine.[7] This proposal, however, did not produce results.
 

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Noble savage.. your illiteracy and libel is the cause of war...Palestinians are the most educated Arabs on the peninsula....Abbas has a PhD along with thousands of others...

Really, Pbel, I think by now the readers realize you are not interested in the Arabs as a whole so of course you are not interested even in the Arabs killing each other. Can you tell us how people are nobel when they send in people as suicide bombers and then treat these suicide bombers as celebrities? Did you know what Abbas thesis is, Pbel? I believe is was denial of the Holocaust.
Lying again....

Mahmoud Abbas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism

The Connection between the Nazis and the Leaders of the Zionist Movement 1933 - 1945 is the title of Mahmoud Abbas' CandSc thesis, completed in 1982 at the Peoples' Friendship University of Russia, and defended at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Soviet Academy of Sciences. In 1984 it was published as a book in Arabic titled "The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism" (Arabic: al-Wajh al-Akhar: al-'Alaqat as-Sirriya bayna an-Naziya wa's-Sihyuniya).

The dissertation and book discussed topics such as the Haavara Agreement, by which the Third Reich agreed with the Jewish Agency to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine, in conjunction with the UK and was never a secret at all.[12][62] Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by critics, especially the parts disputing the accepted number of deaths in the Holocaust as well as the accusations that Zionist agitation was the cause of the Holocaust[63] a charge that he denies.[64] However, in 2013 he reasserted the veracity of the contents of his thesis, that "the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis".[65][66]
Through Secret Channels (1995) Memoirs of the Oslo agreement
Perhaps, Pbel, you should have your good friend Abbas take a look at Edwin Black and what he has to say.

EDWIN BLACK ON C-SPAN: THE FARHUD: THE ROOTS OF THE ARAB-NAZI ALLIANCE DURING WWII??. |
 

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Sally, you noticed that he hasn't replied to the words he initially quoted which discussed the charges of Holocaust denial leveled at Abbas for his 'work'. I wonder why not?
 

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An Israeli unilateral and enforced two-state solution with Israeli maintaining security provisions in Palestine.

No right of return.

No removal of the wall.

No Palestinian capital in Jerusalem.
Listen, Jake, Pbel has been salivating for years over a one-state solution. He has posted his "demographics" shtick for years on end that he by now has probably mentioned it over a thousand times. He is anxious for the Arabs to begin their takeover of the land so that once again it will be rulled by Muslims and the Christians and the Jews will become their dhimmis. He has no interest at all with what is happening in the rest of the Middle East or elsewhere in the Muslim world, even though each day innocent people are being killed by extremist Muslims.
 

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Oh, isn't that cute - Abbas' 'dissertation' was indeed Holocaust denial:

The dissertation and book discussed topics such as the Haavara Agreement, by which the Third Reich agreed with the Jewish Agency to facilitate Jewish emigration to Palestine, in conjunction with the UK and was never a secret at all.[12][62] Some content of his thesis has been considered as Holocaust denial by critics, especially the parts disputing the accepted number of deaths in the Holocaust as well as the accusations that Zionist agitation was the cause of the Holocaust[63] a charge that he denies.[64] However, in 2013 he reasserted the veracity of the contents of his thesis, that "the Zionist movement had ties with the Nazis".[65][66]
Haavara Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was agreed to by the German government in 1933 to allow the Zionist movement, in the form of the Haavara company to transfer property from Germany to Palestine, for the sole purpose of encouraging Jewish emigration from Germany. The Haavara company operated under a similar plan as the earlier Hanotea company. The Haavara Company required immigrants to pay at least 1000 pounds sterling into the banking company. This money would then be used to buy German exports for import to Palestine.

The Haavara Agreement was thought among certain circles to be a possible way to rid the country of its supposed "Jewish problem." The head of the Middle Eastern division of the foreign ministry, Werner Otto von Hentig, supported the policy of concentrating Jews in Palestine. Von Hentig believed that if the Jewish population was concentrated in a single foreign entity, then foreign diplomatic policy and containment of the Jews would become easier.[5] Hitler's support of the Haavara Agreement varied throughout the thirties. Initially, Hitler criticized the agreement, but shortly reversed his opinion, and continued to support it, in the face of opposition, through 1939.[6]

After the invasion of Poland and the onset of World War II in 1939, the practical continuation of the Haavara agreement became impossible. In 1940, representatives of the underground Zionist group Lehi met with von Hentig to propose direct military cooperation with the Nazis for the continuation of the transfer of European Jews to Palestine.[7] This proposal, however, did not produce results.
I think Pbel is annoyed that a plan was made to save some Jews. He would much rather have had them end up in the concentration camp where they had a good chance of being killed.
 

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That's real good. Now we know the Palestinians will never have a state.
They can wait...Demographics will do the rest in a one state solution.


Hardly as very soon the filastins will run out of places to build new homes and they will have to move to the empty quarter. Until they stop thinking they are the top dogs they will get nowhere and just see more of their demands get denied
 

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They can wait...Demographics will do the rest in a one state solution.
Thank you for exposing that the intolerant, racist arab muslims believe they can "conquer" Israel through means other than war - like the mexicans in the US - so they have no reason in their minds to negotiate in good faith, thanks for clarifying.

What then is the incentive for Israel to not expel or deport all/most of them out of the country, like Azerbaijan did in the 1990s?

That country deported all of its muslims, suffered a few years of hypocritical sanctions which ended, and is now doing quite well.
 

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They fought for their 'identity' for "65" years, while we fought for ours for 2000.

They have 22 states to find refugee in, we have none.

Who do you think has more to lose? who will fight for their survival more?
 

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People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose.



Abbas says he won't make concessions on Jerusalem

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas sent a defiant message to Israel's leadership and U.S. mediators Saturday, telling cheering supporters that the Palestinians "won't kneel" and won't drop demands for a capital in east Jerusalem.







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Abbas' unusually fiery speech highlighted the wide gaps between him and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the outlines of a peace deal. It also raised new doubts about the chances of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to bridge those gaps in coming weeks and come up with a framework for an agreement.

Abbas adopted tough positions in the wide-ranging speech, saying that "there will be no peace" without a Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem and that he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

He also suggested he would not continue negotiations beyond a U.S.-set target date of the end of April, and instead will resume his quest for broader international recognition of a state of Palestine by the United Nations and its various agencies.



I say then give him abu dis as his new capital, it is east of Jerusalem. Then tell him to get the two carbuncles of the temple mount so the Jews can rebuild the Temple as prophesised in the Bible and Koran.
 

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They fought for their 'identity' for "65" years, while we fought for ours for 2000.

They have 22 states to find refugee in, we have none.


Who do you think has more to lose? who will fight for their survival more?
States and identity are not solely tied to religion.

Otherwise Bangledesh would never have split off from Pakistan.

They have no more states than you have - after all, there are Jews all over the world if you look at it that way.

Both deserve recognition of their identity, a right to self determination, and a right to exist as a people. It shouldn't that hard to acknowledge - the legitimacy of fundamental rights are not determined by how long they've been fought for but by what is right and just and human - what we all want for ourselves.
 
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