I will not Bow!

[pbel]

What is it with you and thinking that the growing number of Arabs will be Israels demise?? Israel is already surrounded by over a billion of them, and none of them are doing anything. You think if there's another 500 million, it will make a difference?

its not numbers its the proliferation of WMD's and the potential that they will be used. If the next 68 years in Israel are like the last 68, what do you think?

And the first one used will see WW3 breakout, and your muslim friends facing extinction. There will be no more playing by the book and following the rules of war, it will be just a bloodbath with anyone as a target. You can forget International law and the Geneva conventions until after the conflict. and then the victors will impose their revenge on islam and execute the muslim leaders left alive. Then the M.E will be carved up by the west and martial law imposed, leaving Israel as an oasis of prosperity surrounded by death and destruction.

Yes, a war might start, but there won't be anyone siding with the Israeli State...world polls show that it is the most disliked nation on planet earth.

 

[Kondor3]

its not numbers its the proliferation of WMD's and the potential that they will be used. If the next 68 years in Israel are like the last 68, what do you think?

And the first one used will see WW3 breakout, and your muslim friends facing extinction. There will be no more playing by the book and following the rules of war, it will be just a bloodbath with anyone as a target. You can forget International law and the Geneva conventions until after the conflict. and then the victors will impose their revenge on islam and execute the muslim leaders left alive. Then the M.E will be carved up by the west and martial law imposed, leaving Israel as an oasis of prosperity surrounded by death and destruction.

Yes, a war might start, but there won't be anyone siding with the Israeli State...world polls show that it is the most disliked nation on planet earth.

In any extremely unlikely Ultimate Showdown between Israel and Islam...

The Americans will side with Israel...

The Germans will side with Israel...

The French will side with Israel...

The British will side with Israel...

That will be enough...

 

[Billo_Really]

Because I am a pragmatist who sees the solutions that others are too scared to voice.

Hitler felt the same way.

Can your country expel islamists and if so why deny the same rights to Israel

I don't think we should be expelling people over a particular way they choose to worship, or what name they call God.

Would you feel safe if the rogue states in the M.E. had nuclear weapons, and would you expect the USA to take action against them if they did

Israel has nuclear weapons and if they use them, yes, I would expect us to take action against them.

Anyone smart enough to build "the bomb", is also smart enough to know if they use that "bomb", their country will glow in the dark.

Don't you think that the USA and the other western powers should be allowed to protect their citizens from potential attacks

Attacks against our country, not when we're in someone else's. That's not an attack, it's resistance.

As enemies they can be expelled or interned, just as the Germans, Italians and Japanese were during WW2.

That's one of my points!

The Israeli's treat the Palestinian's, like the Nazis treated the jews.

Yet you see no problem in stopping all trade and diplomacy with Israel because they are JOOOOOS.....

You and your ilk are doing everything you can to make this a religious issue. I'm sorry, but it's not. This has nothing to do with Judaism. Yet you constantly try to go there. It's like a crutch. You want people to hate jews. If people don't hate jews, you can't deal with life. "Jew hate" is like a friend to you.

As I said the muslims need the west more that the west needs muslims

I could care less. They have nothing to do with my daily life. The same goes for jews. For Buddhists, Hindu's and Tom Cruise's Scientology bunch.

 

[pbel]

And the first one used will see WW3 breakout, and your muslim friends facing extinction. There will be no more playing by the book and following the rules of war, it will be just a bloodbath with anyone as a target. You can forget International law and the Geneva conventions until after the conflict. and then the victors will impose their revenge on islam and execute the muslim leaders left alive. Then the M.E will be carved up by the west and martial law imposed, leaving Israel as an oasis of prosperity surrounded by death and destruction.

Yes, a war might start, but there won't be anyone siding with the Israeli State...world polls show that it is the most disliked nation on planet earth.

In any extremely unlikely Ultimate Showdown between Israel and Islam...

The Americans will side with Israel...

The Germans will side with Israel...

The French will side with Israel...

The British will side with Israel...

That will be enough...

We have seen this scene before in its obscured simplicity...The French just voted for a Palestinian State, the English abstained, Can't imagine the Holocaust provider Germans helping, and America today has turned Liberal...In a hundred years Israel will be fighting everyone as it does today...

https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm
ANNEX


Vote on Status of Palestine at United Nations


The draft resolution on the Status of Palestine at the United Nations (document A/67/L.28) was adopted by a recorded vote of 138 in favour to 9 against, with 41 abstentions, as follows:


In favour: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.


Against: Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Palau, Panama, United States.


Abstain: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, United Kingdom, Vanuatu.


Absent: Equatorial Guinea, Kiribati, Liberia, Madagascar, Ukraine.

 

[Kondor3]

"...We have seen this scene before in its obscured simplicity..."

In connection with such future prospects and speculation, one of the differences between you and I is that you seem to lean heavily upon the fickle twists and turns of the most recent developments, such as much of The West granting Palestine observer status, temporarily having a Liberal in the White House, etc., while I lean more heavily upon long-term patterns of manifested behaviors and largely ignore the trend du jour or development du jour, while keeping a watchful eye on them myself. You and I see such prospects and speculative outcomes in vastly different lights. As to your comments about the Germans not helping the Israelis, you may do well to more closely study the close and intimate relationship that now exists between Germany and Israel. You may be in for a surprise.

 

[Victory67]

Two things to consider the settlements have been shown to be built on actual JEWISH OWNED land by peacenow who LIED to racially demonise Israel. What International Law id Israel not complying with, and we need actual words from International law. They are in full compliance with the Geneva Conventions and the right of return, or are you another NAZI JEW HATER that thinks the right of return does not apply to the 1 million Jews forcibly expelled from their land in 1948/1949 ?

There is no evidence that the settlements are built on Jewish private property.

Are you calling for all the Middle East Jews to be allowed to return to their former homes in the Muslim nations? I agree, we should allow that. It will reduce the number of Israelis by maybe 3 million. Your idea is a good one.

You should stop calling everyone you disagree with a "Nazi Jew Hater". It insults true victims of anti-Semitism and survivors & victims of the Holocaust. It makes the label "anti-Semite" look like a mere political tool.

 

[Victory67]

The Israeli's can execute laws that expel islamists from the country and it will not be illegal. The world will not allow all the rogue states in the M.E. to have nuclear weapons, and will target every Islamic centre with their own. 2 billion people fried in one attack by the wests nuclear arsenal will put the brakes on any intentions of using nuclear weapons. Then there is the simple matter of expelling all muslims from the west as aggressive aliens, those that refuse interned till the end of hostilities in segregated camps. Stopping all trade with the likes of Saudi which relies on food from the west would soon see the islamists back down their holes when the starving millions started dying in the streets.

Remember at the end of the day islam need the west more than the west needs islam

If Israel can do that, than it was ok for the Muslim nations to expel their Jews as they were Zionist agents.

 

[Victory67]

How so when it was the muslims that have and are dispossessing Jews and Christians of their land, and have done since 630 C.E.

Now the shoe is on the other foot they are bleating about how unfair it is for them to be treated in the same manner as they treated others. In gaza the Christians are being ethnically cleansed because the muslims want only a muslim zone to exist

The Muslims conquered Palestine and took the land as spoils of war. Just as the Israelis did it in 1948.

All's fair in love and war. Except the Muslims weren't bound by the 4th Geneva Conventions in 630 AD but the Israelis were in 1967.

 

[RoccoR]

Victory67, et al,

I think we are straying from the topic.

The Israeli's can execute laws that expel islamists from the country and it will not be illegal. The world will not allow all the rogue states in the M.E. to have nuclear weapons, and will target every Islamic centre with their own. 2 billion people fried in one attack by the wests nuclear arsenal will put the brakes on any intentions of using nuclear weapons. Then there is the simple matter of expelling all muslims from the west as aggressive aliens, those that refuse interned till the end of hostilities in segregated camps. Stopping all trade with the likes of Saudi which relies on food from the west would soon see the islamists back down their holes when the starving millions started dying in the streets.

Remember at the end of the day islam need the west more than the west needs islam

If Israel can do that, than it was ok for the Muslim nations to expel their Jews as they were Zionist agents.

(COMMENT)

With the exception of Jordan and Saudi Arabia, there is really no country in the Middle East that is stable enough to be trusted with WMD.

It is unreasonable to assume that the nations of the world would not be extremely concerned if evidence came to their attention that a country like Lebanon - which support Hezbollah Terrorists, Syria - in total chaos, Palestine - which supports Jihadist and Fedayeen calling for genocide, and other unstable regional governments, assembling WMD (especially nuclear).

What is the point being made here?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Victory67, et al,

Well, it is both.


(COMMENT)

It is occupied territory in the State of Palestine. It is part of the Article V - Oslo Accord (I) in which (Para 3): "It is understood that these negotiations shall cover remaining issues, including: Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest." It is pending "the outcome of the permanent status negotiations."

Most Respectfully,
R

Which will be when hell freezes over. There is no intention of a peace agreement.

It is just a dog and pony show.

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace, which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

 

[toastman]

Which will be when hell freezes over. There is no intention of a peace agreement.

It is just a dog and pony show.

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace, which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

The Palestinians took part in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973. They were on the losing side all three times.
The Palestinians launched intifadas and have had many skirmishes with Israel, all resulting in ...well....nothing.

It's time the Palestinians surrender, or they won't get their state. Simple as that

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Which will be when hell freezes over. There is no intention of a peace agreement.

It is just a dog and pony show.

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace, which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

^ totally dishonest post.

Typical of Pinhead, however.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And which side is putting all the obstacles in the way of peace, which side is demanding illegal and unworkable pre conditions before they will even agree to meet. A clue it is not Israel which is placing negotiation points on the table as part of the peace talks.

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

The Palestinians took part in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973. They were on the losing side all three times.
The Palestinians launched intifadas and have had many skirmishes with Israel, all resulting in ...well....nothing.

It's time the Palestinians surrender, or they won't get their state. Simple as that

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

 

[toastman]

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

The Palestinians took part in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973. They were on the losing side all three times.
The Palestinians launched intifadas and have had many skirmishes with Israel, all resulting in ...well....nothing.

It's time the Palestinians surrender, or they won't get their state. Simple as that

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

You keep saying the Palestinians didn't lose yet.

What needs to happen in order for the Palestinians to 'lose' ... I really don't understand

 

[Indeependent]

Israel's main preconditions are that the Palestinians surrender and disarm.

It is hard to get that pig to fly.

The Palestinians took part in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973. They were on the losing side all three times.
The Palestinians launched intifadas and have had many skirmishes with Israel, all resulting in ...well....nothing.

It's time the Palestinians surrender, or they won't get their state. Simple as that

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

Oh, I get it.
In your mind, when the defendant gets the chair and is escorted out of the courtroom screaming, "I didn't do it!", the defendant is not guilty.

Wow! We wouldn't need a justice system!

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians took part in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973. They were on the losing side all three times.
The Palestinians launched intifadas and have had many skirmishes with Israel, all resulting in ...well....nothing.

It's time the Palestinians surrender, or they won't get their state. Simple as that

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

You keep saying the Palestinians didn't lose yet.

What needs to happen in order for the Palestinians to 'lose' ... I really don't understand

Well, the Palestinians need to surrender. They have not formed a consensus on that.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the conflict. That is one of the points that I have been making. Israel claims that it has won land in war but they have not won anything yet.

 

[toastman]

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

You keep saying the Palestinians didn't lose yet.

What needs to happen in order for the Palestinians to 'lose' ... I really don't understand

Well, the Palestinians need to surrender. They have not formed a consensus on that.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the conflict. That is one of the points that I have been making. Israel claims that it has won land in war but they have not won anything yet.

LOL What are you talking about ?? They DID win land in a war, and now that land is inside the green line, making it their land Tinmore. How do you not know this????

Territorial
changes Israel keeps area allotted to it by Partition Plan, captures 50% of area allotted to Arab state

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Indeependent]

Why? If they surrender, they lose.

They haven't lost yet.

You keep saying the Palestinians didn't lose yet.

What needs to happen in order for the Palestinians to 'lose' ... I really don't understand

Well, the Palestinians need to surrender. They have not formed a consensus on that.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the conflict. That is one of the points that I have been making. Israel claims that it has won land in war but they have not won anything yet.

Strawman...they don't officially surrender so they didn't lose!
If I were Israel's PM, I would use your posting to deposit them in Jordan.
Then they would be executed and I can blame it on you.
What an A-hole!

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep saying the Palestinians didn't lose yet.

What needs to happen in order for the Palestinians to 'lose' ... I really don't understand

Well, the Palestinians need to surrender. They have not formed a consensus on that.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the conflict. That is one of the points that I have been making. Israel claims that it has won land in war but they have not won anything yet.

LOL What are you talking about ?? They DID win land in a war, and now that land is inside the green line, making it their land Tinmore. How do you not know this????

Territorial
changes Israel keeps area allotted to it by Partition Plan, captures 50% of area allotted to Arab state

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How does that conflict with what I said?

 

[toastman]

Well, the Palestinians need to surrender. They have not formed a consensus on that.

Israel is claiming victory before the end of the conflict. That is one of the points that I have been making. Israel claims that it has won land in war but they have not won anything yet.

LOL What are you talking about ?? They DID win land in a war, and now that land is inside the green line, making it their land Tinmore. How do you not know this????

Territorial
changes Israel keeps area allotted to it by Partition Plan, captures 50% of area allotted to Arab state

1948 Arab?Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How does that conflict with what I said?

Stop playing with my head Tinmore. Your lies might work with someone else, but not with me