I will not Bow!

[Kondor3]

I've seen no evidence that they are. You're welcome to clear the air.

Easy...US 's lukewarm Israel policy from the 1960s until about 6 months into GWs first term.
Example? Every single time Israel was about to kill/arrest Yassar Arafat, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Every time Israel was winning a war in overt Arab Territory, the US ordered Israel to back off.
Israel was prevented by the US from freeing Lebanon from the Syrian/PLO invasion in 1982.
Clinton was totally anti-Israel and I blame him for not allowing Israel to implement anti-Intifada strategies.

You really have to brush up on modern history.

The USA allowed Israel to conquer the massive Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and occupy a large chunk of Lebanon for decades...

Allowed?

I did not realize that we had that level of control over the State of Israel.

Especially before we began pumping massive military aide into the country after the 1967 Six Day War was over.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

That's because we like the Israelis and we do not like the Palestinians - or, at least, we like the Israelis far more than we like the Palestinians. We can give anything we want to our friends, and those we like.

 

[Victory67]

Did they ever get around to annexing the West Bank, or are they just occupying it?

Israel has annexed 27 square miles of the West Bank.

If it wasn't for the First Intifada they would have annexed all the rest.

 

[Victory67]

Allowed?

I did not realize that we had that level of control over the State of Israel.

Especially before we began pumping massive military aide into the country after the 1967 Six Day War was over.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

That's because we like the Israelis and we do not like the Palestinians - or, at least, we like the Israelis far more than we like the Palestinians. We can give anything we want to our friends, and those we like.

Israel doesn't do anything unless the USA says "go ahead, boys".

 

[Indeependent]

Allowed?

I did not realize that we had that level of control over the State of Israel.

Especially before we began pumping massive military aide into the country after the 1967 Six Day War was over.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

That's because we like the Israelis and we do not like the Palestinians - or, at least, we like the Israelis far more than we like the Palestinians. We can give anything we want to our friends, and those we like.

Israel doesn't do anything unless the USA says "go ahead, boys".

Israel does what it wants and then the US comes along and says "No.".
It's been a bit better since GW.

 

[Kondor3]

Did they ever get around to annexing the West Bank, or are they just occupying it?

Israel has annexed 27 square miles of the West Bank.

Given that the West Bank is 2270 square miles in size - at a minimum - this represents something akin to 1.2% or less of the total land area.

1.2% ???!!!

Friggin' REALLY ???!!!!

Puh-leeze.

"...If it wasn't for the First Intifada they would have annexed all the rest."

It's gonna happen anyway... in the post-Intifada II period, or post Intifada IV, V, VI, VII or whatever... it's gonna happen... and probably before their Arab neighbors (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc.) get their shit back together and are once again capable of posing a threat. Might as well avoid the Holiday Rush and get it over with sooner rather than later.

 

[Victory67]

Did they ever get around to annexing the West Bank, or are they just occupying it?

Israel has annexed 27 square miles of the West Bank.

Given that the West Bank is 2270 square miles in size - at a minimum - this represents something akin to 1.2% or less of the total land area.

1.2% ???!!!

Friggin' REALLY ???!!!!

Puh-leeze.

"...If it wasn't for the First Intifada they would have annexed all the rest."

It's gonna happen anyway... in the post-Intifada II period, or post Intifada IV, V, VI, VII or whatever... it's gonna happen... and probably before their Arab neighbors (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc.) get their shit back together and are once again capable of posing a threat. Might as well avoid the Holiday Rush and get it over with sooner rather than later.

So you advocate war crimes.

This is why Israel has so few fans around the world.

 

[Kondor3]

Allowed?

I did not realize that we had that level of control over the State of Israel.

Especially before we began pumping massive military aide into the country after the 1967 Six Day War was over.

All the while giving Israel $3 billion a year to a total of more than $100 billion.

That's because we like the Israelis and we do not like the Palestinians - or, at least, we like the Israelis far more than we like the Palestinians. We can give anything we want to our friends, and those we like.

Israel doesn't do anything unless the USA says "go ahead, boys".

There may very well be some modicum of truth to that observation SINCE the 1967 Six Day War, however...

During the period PRIOR to the Six Day War and while it was underway...

Israel was the military equipment client of France more than it was the United States...

We only got involved with re-supply of expended muntions and equipment when it became clear that the Soviets were pumping-up the Egyptians and the rest of that bunch...

I seriously doubt that we had much say in the matter in 1967...

Although I'm glad we decided to refrain from interfering...

They obtained a great outcome, all on their own, without any prompting or approvals from us...

I'm not sure your 'the USA gave Israel the go-ahead for the Six Day War' premise is going to hold up very well under a closer scrutiny...

 

[Kondor3]

Israel has annexed 27 square miles of the West Bank.

Given that the West Bank is 2270 square miles in size - at a minimum - this represents something akin to 1.2% or less of the total land area.

1.2% ???!!!

Friggin' REALLY ???!!!!

Puh-leeze.

"...If it wasn't for the First Intifada they would have annexed all the rest."

It's gonna happen anyway... in the post-Intifada II period, or post Intifada IV, V, VI, VII or whatever... it's gonna happen... and probably before their Arab neighbors (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc.) get their shit back together and are once again capable of posing a threat. Might as well avoid the Holiday Rush and get it over with sooner rather than later.

So you advocate war crimes.

This is why Israel has so few fans around the world.

I advocate Hostile Population Expulsion...

We went over all of this yesterday...

Don't be boring...

 

[Victory67]

I advocate Hostile Population Expulsion...

We went over all of this yesterday...

Don't be boring...

The Arabs used the same justification when they kicked out hundreds of thousands of Jews after 1949. Birds of a feather, huh?

 

[toastman]

I advocate Hostile Population Expulsion...

We went over all of this yesterday...

Don't be boring...

The Arabs used the same justification when they kicked out hundreds of thousands of Jews after 1949. Birds of a feather, huh?

Wow, that's a lie I never heard before.

The Arabs expelled the Jews from the ME because of the State of Israel coming into existence.
What is it with anti - Zionists and distorting history?

 

[Indeependent]

I advocate Hostile Population Expulsion...

We went over all of this yesterday...

Don't be boring...

The Arabs used the same justification when they kicked out hundreds of thousands of Jews after 1949. Birds of a feather, huh?

Minus the Great Mohammed's habit of slicing off the heads of Infidels.

 

[Victory67]

Wow, that's a lie I never heard before.

The Arabs expelled the Jews from the ME because of the State of Israel coming into existence.
What is it with anti - Zionists and distorting history?

And many of the Jews in the Muslim world were Zionists and supported Israel's birth.

aka a hostile population deserving of expulsion.

Just as [MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION] stated.

Logic knows no borders, right?

 

[Indeependent]

Wow, that's a lie I never heard before.

The Arabs expelled the Jews from the ME because of the State of Israel coming into existence.
What is it with anti - Zionists and distorting history?

And many of the Jews in the Muslim world were Zionists and supported Israel's birth.

aka a hostile population deserving of expulsion.

Just as [MENTION=20204]Kondor3[/MENTION] stated.

Logic knows no borders, right?

How does a Jew living in Iran who wants to move to Israel pose a threat to Iran?
The more you post, the stupider your statements.

 

[Victory67]

How does a Jew living in Iran who wants to move to Israel pose a threat to Iran?
The more you post, the stupider your statements.

Supporting an enemy state makes you an enemy of the state.

 

[RoccoR]

Victory67, et al,

I think there is a mistake here.

The only item in this sentence that the US is not bitching about is the Sinai.
I guess we can thank Jimmy Carter for something.
Nobody occupies the Golan Heights.
The Lebanese LOVE Israel; you Do realize Lebanon was a PARADISE before Yassar came along.
As far as the West Bank, is not the US STILL seeking a TWO State Solution?

Can't you do better?

Israel occupies the Golan Heights. Their annexation was illegal.

(COMMENT)

Israel may occupy the Golan Heights, but they made no attempt to annex the territory. The present situation is covered by the Disengagement Agreement with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) to maintain the cease-fire along the lines annotated on UN Map H213/10/1974; attached via addendum S/11302/Add.3 9 July 1974; as implementation by the Security Council S/RES/338 22 October 1973.

I fail to see that either allegation is with foundation. The territory is neither annexed as alleged; or, illegally controlled as alleged. Every aspect has been approved under the express agreement with the Government of Syria.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Indeependent]

How does a Jew living in Iran who wants to move to Israel pose a threat to Iran?
The more you post, the stupider your statements.

Supporting an enemy state makes you an enemy of the state.

Israel was an enemy state when it didn't exist?
Or you are saying it always existed?
And why was it considered an enemy state?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised as Islam has always considered non-Islamic nations to be enemies.

Do I sense desperate stupidity here?

 

[Victory67]

Israel may occupy the Golan Heights, but they made no attempt to annex the territory. The present situation is covered by the Disengagement Agreement with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) to maintain the cease-fire along the lines annotated on UN Map H213/10/1974; attached via addendum S/11302/Add.3 9 July 1974; as implementation by the Security Council S/RES/338 22 October 1973.

I fail to see that either allegation is with foundation. The territory is neither annexed as alleged; or, illegally controlled as alleged. Every aspect has been approved under the express agreement with the Government of Syria.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel annexed the Golan Heights in 1981.

 

[Victory67]

Israel was an enemy state when it didn't exist?
Or you are saying it always existed?
And why was it considered an enemy state?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised as Islam has always considered non-Islamic nations to be enemies.

Do I sense desperate stupidity here?

Israel became an enemy to all Muslim states after the 1948 War.

Funny how you think its ok for Israel to kick out enemy persons but Muslims do not have such right.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel was an enemy state when it didn't exist?
Or you are saying it always existed?
And why was it considered an enemy state?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised as Islam has always considered non-Islamic nations to be enemies.

Do I sense desperate stupidity here?

Israel became an enemy to all Muslim states after the 1948 War.

Funny how you think its ok for Israel to kick out enemy persons but Muslims do not have such right.

No comparison...Jews in Arab nations never organized to murder Arabs.

 

[Victory67]

No comparison...Jews in Arab nations never organized to murder Arabs.

Lavon Affair in Egypt.

False flag attacks by Zionists in Iraq.

Showed the danger Zionists posed in the Muslim world.