I want it back: it was Camelot

[buckeye45_73]

I want people back that I knew as Democrats. I want good men and women who believed in chasing a dream. I want my liberals back.

I want Camelot not Communist dreams. I want real hope and change not dime store bullies from Chicago.

I want the real deal.

No, you don't want that at all. The Conservatives of that day were calling President Kennedy "That pinko punk in the White House". Until he was assasinated. Then it was 'our martyred President'. You people are the same today as you were then, hypocrites.

like Democrats are not Hypocrites too....right Rocks?.......geezus.....

yeah, liberals are unbelievably naive, they really dont think their shit dont stink.....it's amazing!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Hey stupid - who created welfare? Who keeps feeding welfare? (Hint - dumbocrats). The "red" states are filled with dumbocrat welfare queens genius.

I 100% support ending welfare. Do you? 'Nough said....

Who created ANY program that helps people? I don't need a hint, I know it was Democrats, liberals and progressives. Conservatives have never been and never will be advocates for helping people. And no, I DON'T support ending welfare. I surmise you would also end other social programs like Medicare and Social Security.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

First of all, it's not the function of government to "help people" (how tragic that you are so profoundly ignorant of your own government and history that you don't even know that).

Second - when did ANY government program ever help anybody? We're $16 trillion in debt, is that "helping"? We still have homeless people, is that "helping"? We still have hungry people, is that "helping"? We punish hard work and success so we can reward dropping out of high school and shooting up with heroin - is that "helping"?!?

Government's duty is to protect and defend people. And putting our children in debt is not helping anyone or their future.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Love Phil Ochs (I Ain't Marching Anymore, Draft Dodger Rag) but make no mistake, he preferred liberals and Dems to conservatives and Pubs lol.

gee no fucking shit.....wow that was an eye opener....

fuck Phil Ochs, I like Mike Curb much better

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCjWQHpu3bY]The Mike Curb Congregation-Burning Bridges-Kelly's Heros - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey stupid - who created welfare? Who keeps feeding welfare? (Hint - dumbocrats). The "red" states are filled with dumbocrat welfare queens genius.

I 100% support ending welfare. Do you? 'Nough said....

Who created ANY program that helps people? I don't need a hint, I know it was Democrats, liberals and progressives. Conservatives have never been and never will be advocates for helping people. And no, I DON'T support ending welfare. I surmise you would also end other social programs like Medicare and Social Security.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

First of all, it's not the function of government to "help people" (how tragic that you are so profoundly ignorant of your own government and history that you don't even know that).

Second - when did ANY government program ever help anybody? We're $16 trillion in debt, is that "helping"? We still have homeless people, is that "helping"? We still have hungry people, is that "helping"? We punish hard work and success so we can reward dropping out of high school and shooting up with heroin - is that "helping"?!?

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

Government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP and numerous other programs have have not only helped millions of Americans, they have saved millions of lives.

DEBT? When did debt even become part of of the problem? It had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy.
Charles Krauthammer



Actually, David Stockman, Saxby Chambliss and Charles Krauthammer handed your ass to you BIG time. Read it...own it. It is, in a nutshell how this nation went down the drain...It started with the worst president in my lifetime, Ronbo Reagan, the great American socialist who turned America into a 'welfare queen'. Democrats had been responsibly paying for what they spent, Ronbo said fuck that, we don't need to pay, let of kids and grand-kids pay for what we spend, we'll put it on the Beijing credit card.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Here is one more graph, and one more quote. Read it...own it.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

 

[Bfgrn]

did not Nixon start the EPA?....

Yes he did. Nixon started the EPA, but he also dismantled the War on Poverty and started the horrible War on Drugs.

Dismantled the war on poverty? are you high? yeah he did start the EPA and the war on drugs was way before then (I believe dope has been illegal since the 30s? wouldnt that be FDR?)

The War on Poverty

The Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) was the agency responsible for administering most of the War on Poverty.

DEVELOPMENTS UNDER NIXON AND LATER ADMINISTRATIONS

The election of Richard M. Nixon (1913–1994) as president in 1968 heralded the demise of the OEO and the war on poverty. In April 1969, Donald H. Rumsfeld was appointed OEO director with the charge to dismantle the agency. He selected Richard B. Cheney as his assistant. Howard Phillips was appointed as OEO director in 1973 to succeed Rumsfeld. However, court decisions forced the administration to expend the funds appropriated, because the Equal Opportunity Act had a ten-year life by law. In 1970 amendments to the Equal Opportunity Act created SIP Title VII. Title VII funds went to, among other entities, the Federation of Southern Cooperatives, which created surplus-earning entities in rural areas of southern states. OEO programs were transferred to the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare, and to the Department of Labor. By the time Nixon resigned on August 8, 1974, the war on poverty was essentially over.

 

[Mac1958]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

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[Bfgrn]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

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Absolute bullshit. What I find ironic about today is how many people are parrots of right wing propaganda.

 

[Mac1958]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

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Absolute bullshit. What I find ironic about today is how many people are parrots of right wing propaganda.

Yet another vivid example of my point.

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[P@triot]

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere." President Abraham Lincoln

Uh, no, sorry. That is profoundly wrong. You're ignorance on what the function is of your own government is breathtakingly astounding.

Abraham Lincoln did not found the United States. He did not write or sign into law the Constitution. And most importantly, he does not get to arbitrarily decide for himself (or for this country) what the function of government is in the United States.

Government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP and numerous other programs have have not only helped millions of Americans, they have saved millions of lives.

Really? Where is your proof on that?!?

DEBT? When did debt even become part of of the problem? It had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..." Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.” Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy. Charles Krauthammer

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

Actually, David Stockman, Saxby Chambliss and Charles Krauthammer handed your ass to you BIG time. Read it...own it. It is, in a nutshell how this nation went down the drain...It started with the worst president in my lifetime, Ronbo Reagan, the great American socialist who turned America into a 'welfare queen'. Democrats had been responsibly paying for what they spent, Ronbo said fuck that, we don't need to pay, let of kids and grand-kids pay for what we spend, we'll put it on the Beijing credit card.

Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.

Here is one more graph, and one more quote. Read it...own it.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

 

[P@triot]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

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Absolute bullshit. What I find ironic about today is how many people are parrots of right wing propaganda.

Care to explain why this is "absolute bullshit"? No? Yeah, didn't think so...

Everything he just said is 100% accurate and that is why you couldn't even attempt to dispute it!

 

[P@triot]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

 

[Bfgrn]

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What I find most ironic about today's American Left is that it is led by the same people who, back in the 60's, were counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others. Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get.

From "love and flowers" to "watch what you say or you'll piss off the IRS", from "don't ever trust The Man to control you" to "we can trust the government to take care of us", from "freedom of expression" to "if you offend me I'll get you fired", this has been a fascinating transformation. Power does corrupt, no doubt.

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Absolute bullshit. What I find ironic about today is how many people are parrots of right wing propaganda.

Yet another vivid example of my point.

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Care to debate it and we'll see a vivid example of my point?

 

[P@triot]

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere." President Abraham Lincoln

I have truly enjoyed watching you flop around like a fish out of water, clinging to the opinions of other people in a desperate attempt to justify your astoundingly ignorant position. But now I feel the time has come to educate you...

The function of your own government was laid out in the Declaration of Independence (that fact that you either don't know that or didn't understand the document is clear evidence of just how uneducated you are). I'm going to read it for you now and dumb it down to your level with additional comments which I will make in red.

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another (when it becomes necessary to rise up and declare yourself free from oppressive tyranny), and to assume, among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.” (it is only decent/right to declare why you are rising up and fighting for your freedom from the state which currently governs you).

So now that you understand why our founders even wrote a Declaration of Independence, lets look at why they even bothered to institute a government (since it seems counterintuitive after escaping tyranny to even create a governing body of power).

“We hold these truths to be self-evident (these are truths and they are so obvious, they require no explanation or evidence), that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (God) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men” (government is instituted to secure your rights from God).

Your rights (life, freedom, etc.) come from God and the roll of government is to secure those rights. Period.

The fact that you don't even know this fundamental, 3rd grade level reality of your own government illustrates how unqualified you are to discuss politics.

But then again, that's exactly what makes you a libtard. If you were actually educated and informed, you would be a conservative.

Excerpt From: States, United. “United States Declaration of Independence.”

 

[Bfgrn]

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere." President Abraham Lincoln

Uh, no, sorry. That is profoundly wrong. You're ignorance on what the function is of your own government is breathtakingly astounding.

Abraham Lincoln did not found the United States. He did not write or sign into law the Constitution. And most importantly, he does not get to arbitrarily decide for himself (or for this country) what the function of government is in the United States.

Government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP and numerous other programs have have not only helped millions of Americans, they have saved millions of lives.

Really? Where is your proof on that?!?



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.

Here is one more graph, and one more quote. Read it...own it.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

I'm sorry, are you under the impression the retarded and childish opinions your tiny little pea brain in infested with matters.

I gave you FACTS.

 

[Mac1958]

Absolute bullshit. What I find ironic about today is how many people are parrots of right wing propaganda.

Yet another vivid example of my point.

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Care to debate it and we'll see a vivid example of my point?

Sure.

My points are clear.

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[Bfgrn]

Yet another vivid example of my point.

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Care to debate it and we'll see a vivid example of my point?

Sure.

My points are clear.

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Yes, you lies are very clear.

"Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get."

I am part of that 'counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others'.

The last 30 years belong to the conservative era that gained full force with Reagan. That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others boarded Bobby Kennedy's funeral train and have been shut out of power ever since.

That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others was NEVER for a plutocracy, a corporatocracy, medieval bloodletting of our revenues, ending or privatizing wonderful programs like Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

WE are New Frontier liberals, always have been.

 

[P@triot]

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere." President Abraham Lincoln

Uh, no, sorry. That is profoundly wrong. You're ignorance on what the function is of your own government is breathtakingly astounding.

Abraham Lincoln did not found the United States. He did not write or sign into law the Constitution. And most importantly, he does not get to arbitrarily decide for himself (or for this country) what the function of government is in the United States.



Really? Where is your proof on that?!?



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).



Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.



Hey stupid, Barack Obama added more to the national debt in his first 6 months in office than Ronald Reagan added in 8 years.

It took this country 230 years to accumulate $9+ trillion in debt. It took Barack Obama 3 years to add $7+ trillion. Read it...own it.

Here is one more graph, and one more quote. Read it...own it.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that quotes matter? Like a typical libtard, you get off on people's uninformed, uneducated opinions. Sorry, I deal in facts (and that is why I'm humiliating you in this debate and exposing your profound ignorance of even the most basic points - like the function of your own government).

I'm sorry, are you under the impression the retarded and childish opinions your tiny little pea brain in infested with matters.

I gave you FACTS.

"Facts"? Sweetie, you gave QUOTES - which are OPINIONS of people. I provided the facts (and exposed your profound ignorance in the process).

You didn't even know why your own government existed...

 

[P@triot]

Care to debate it and we'll see a vivid example of my point?

Sure.

My points are clear.

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Yes, you lies are very clear.

"Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get."

I am part of that 'counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others'.

The last 30 years belong to the conservative era that gained full force with Reagan. That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others boarded Bobby Kennedy's funeral train and have been shut out of power ever since.

That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others was NEVER for a plutocracy, a corporatocracy, medieval bloodletting of our revenues, ending or privatizing wonderful programs like Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

WE are New Frontier liberals, always have been.

Uh, Barack Oabama has been in office for 5 years now. What is your excuse, stupid?

 

[P@triot]

Does everyone notice how BFGRN won't talk about anything past 2008? All of his charts stop at 2005 or 2006. Gee, I wonder why that is?

He's obsessed with blaming Ronald Reagan (one of the two greatest presidents in U.S. history) who not only has been out of the White House for 25 years (that's right - a quarter of a century), but has been DEAD for over a decade. He's not even here to speak out or interfere in the libtard agenda.

It proves how disingenuous BFGRN is - he doesn't want to acknowledge that Barack Obama has had FULL control of the government for the past 5 years and has run up larger debt than Bush & Reagan combined, and he doesn't walk to talk about how Obama has used the IRS to oppress Americans, used drones to kill Americans, and used technology to spy on Americans.

 

[Bfgrn]

Sure.

My points are clear.

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Yes, you lies are very clear.

"Today, they're all about putting more and more power and authority in a more and more centralized governmental bureaucracy, and want as much control over the culture as they can get."

I am part of that 'counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others'.

The last 30 years belong to the conservative era that gained full force with Reagan. That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others boarded Bobby Kennedy's funeral train and have been shut out of power ever since.

That counter culture, fight the power, power to the people, free to be me, be tolerant of others was NEVER for a plutocracy, a corporatocracy, medieval bloodletting of our revenues, ending or privatizing wonderful programs like Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid.

WE are New Frontier liberals, always have been.

Uh, Barack Oabama has been in office for 5 years now. What is your excuse, stupid?

WTF does Obama have to do with this conversation? Obama is no John F. Kennedy.

What kind of immature retarded mind would believe that the moment a president takes office everything he inherits is HIS fault?