I don't really understand the Dems' "need," for lack of a better word, for a national $15 min wage.

[JoeB131]

It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

AL, MS and WV are the poorest states in the country because they rednecks who run them can't figure out their own economies. They have a bunch of stupid white people who are happy living in shit so long as they are living just slightly better than the darkies. Ironically, what props these states up are shitloads of government assistance and government pork barrel projects.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

$15 an hour for a 16 year old burger flipper is absurd.

How about for the guy who picks up your garbage?

Fixes your car?

Does your plumbing?

None make min wage.... next.
Especially Plumbers, plumbers do very well.... it is nothing for a plumber to pull $75k - $100k

 

[rightwinger]

So you think you could survive on $8/ hr now?

How can you expect someone else to?

NO ONE, BUT NO ONE is expected to go through life being the minimum.

Doesn‘t excuse exploiting them while earning minimum wage.
Forces them to use debt to substitute poor pay

 

[martybegan]

Up or out has always been the regime of the minimum wage worker.

Again...there are EIGHTY TWO million people (over half the work force) making minimum wage

There isn't room for that to happen

1/2 the work force makes minimum wage?

Bullshit, let me see your link to that.

 

[easyt65]

Those who seek to mandate the raising of the minimum wage to $15 an hour are those who believe families are supposed to live off salaries they make working at Fast-Food chains and working 'Summer' / 'Seasonal' / 'Temp' jobs. A minimum wage was NEVER supposed to be high enough to support a family.

 

[dudmuck]

Those who seek to mandate the raising of the minimum wage to $15 an hour are those who believe families are supposed to live off salaries they make working at Fast-Food chains and working 'Summer' / 'Seasonal' / 'Temp' jobs. A minimum wage was NEVER supposed to be high enough to support a family.

 

[DGS49]

For those who don't understand why NYC, Seattle, and a few other areas have "high" MW laws with no apparent economic harm, I present the following explanation:

In every economic community there is an economic minimum wage ("EMW"), which has nothing to do with the legal minimum wage "LMW"). The EMW is the wage below which essentially no one will work. In my home north of Pittsburgh, no one will work for less than $10/hr. Most employers who employ "MW" type folks pay at least $11.

So where I live, if the LMW were increased to $11/hr IT WOULD. HAVE NO ECONOMIC IMPACT.

The impacts occur when the LMW exceeds the EMW. So in my neighborhood, an immediate implementation of a $15 LMW would result n hours being cut, staff reductions, and where possible, implementation of "self-service," automation, and other strategies to reduce human involvement in operations.

In New York City, the EMW is already at $15/hr or higher, so a LMW of $15 is a non-event. Do the same thing in small towns in rural New York state, and the impacts would be considerable.

Pointing out that New York and Seattle already have a $15 MW and it hasn't hurt anything is true, but irrelevant to the discussion. We are not considering a $15 LMW for high COL areas, but a UNIVERSAL $15 LMW, which won't mean shit in Philadelphia, but will be harmful in the Trump Nation.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Alabama, Mississippi and West Virginia are 3 of the states most heavily dependent on government handouts. A $15 minimum wage will eliminate food stamps, Section 8 Housing, and earned income credits for all workers in these states. A $15 minimum replaces these programs with actual wages - eliminating the federal government infrastructure which supports them, and thus reducing the size of government.

Last but not least, in eliminating all wage subsidies, and making corporations pay their own damn workers, you are reducing both wage and wealth inequity.

This is satire...right?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Up or out has always been the regime of the minimum wage worker.

Again...there are EIGHTY TWO million people (over half the work force) making minimum wage

There isn't room for that to happen

Oh, bullshit! Are you stupid or crazy?

Yes.

 

[Jarlaxle]

$15 an hour for a 16 year old burger flipper is absurd.

How about for the guy who picks up your garbage?

Fixes your car?

Does your plumbing?

Those people already make 15 or more an hour. Well, except the garbage man.

They usually do unless just temporary laborers. Drivers usually make ~$20/hour.

 

[Lesh]

For those who don't understand why NYC, Seattle, and a few other areas have "high" MW laws with no apparent economic harm, I present the following explanation:

In every economic community there is an economic minimum wage ("EMW"), which has nothing to do with the legal minimum wage "LMW"). The EMW is the wage below which essentially no one will work. In my home north of Pittsburgh, no one will work for less than $10/hr. Most employers who employ "MW" type folks pay at least $11.

So where I live, if the LMW were increased to $11/hr IT WOULD. HAVE NO ECONOMIC IMPACT.

The impacts occur when the LMW exceeds the EMW. So in my neighborhood, an immediate implementation of a $15 LMW would result n hours being cut, staff reductions, and where possible, implementation of "self-service," automation, and other strategies to reduce human involvement in operations.

In New York City, the EMW is already at $15/hr or higher, so a LMW of $15 is a non-event. Do the same thing in small towns in rural New York state, and the impacts would be considerable.

Pointing out that New York and Seattle already have a $15 MW and it hasn't hurt anything is true, but irrelevant to the discussion. We are not considering a $15 LMW for high COL areas, but a UNIVERSAL $15 LMW, which won't mean shit in Philadelphia, but will be harmful in the Trump Nation.

Virtually ALL the arguments against minimum wage increases were made about Seattle and NYC...and they all turned out to be demonstrably false.

Minimum wages have increased many times in many places and the arguments are always the same...and always prove to be false.

 

[Lesh]

$15 an hour for a 16 year old burger flipper is absurd.

How about for the guy who picks up your garbage?

Fixes your car?

Does your plumbing?

Those people already make 15 or more an hour. Well, except the garbage man.

They usually do unless just temporary laborers. Drivers usually make $18-$20/hour.

Nonsense. I know many mechanics and plumbers and all sorts of tradesmen who make less than $15/hr.

You're CHARGED a lot more by their employers.

 

[pknopp]

We give the markets billions.

I agree we shouldn't do that.

I'm not interested in your arguments to keep the poor down.

I'm interested in actually doing something to help the poor. I would hope you would too. It *seems* you want to, but are clueless as to how to do it. Because raising the minimum wage across the board doesn't help the poor, it makes more people poor. The opposite of what you seem to want to do.

You know those people who right now make 20 dollars an hour? Unless they get a 8 dollar an hour raise at the same time the price of living went up but their wage didn't. All you did was move the bar to what's poor, or more to the point, making the middle class closer to being poor. Literally all raising the minimum wage would do is create a LARGER gap between the rich and the poor.

You SHOULD be interested in my arguments, given your chosen arguments here don't do what you think they'll do. Or if I'm wrong PLEASE by all means tell me where and how. I've been wrong before, I'm absolutely sure it'll happen again. Help me understand why you think the price of living won't go up with the minimum wage. If you give me an "oh shit I didn't think of that" I will absolutely thank you for it.

It doesn't matter at all that you don't think we should be constantly pumping billions into the markets.

We are.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It is all just part of their campaign to destroy small business so as to better serve their globalist masters.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I'll say it again with smaller words for you. The left doesn't want "working stiffs" to be able to feed themselves. They want the government doing it. Forcing employers to find other ways to run their businesses by making human labor too expensive is the whole point of raising the minimum wage to an untenable level. Clearly, you are the target audience for the Democrats' propaganda around this, since you're unable to figure it out on your own.

Based upon the quality of all his many postings here, I sincerely doubt that pknopp is a working stiff, though.



I mean, unless you consider taking out the trash once a week for Mom to be "working".

 

[Jarlaxle]

You've not had your car repaired or any plumbing done in many decades, have you?

As for the guy picking up garbage, he's probably doesn't have a stellar record of great decisions, does he?

Depends where he is...I have seen trash collectors making $22-25/hour plus gold-plated benefits and retirement at 55.

 

[pknopp]

I'll say it again with smaller words for you. The left doesn't want "working stiffs" to be able to feed themselves. They want the government doing it. Forcing employers to find other ways to run their businesses by making human labor too expensive is the whole point of raising the minimum wage to an untenable level. Clearly, you are the target audience for the Democrats' propaganda around this, since you're unable to figure it out on your own.

Based upon the quality of all his many postings here, I sincerely doubt that pknopp is a working stiff, though.



I mean, unless you consider taking out the trash once a week for Mom to be "working".

I'm retired. Retired at 58.

 

[Mr Natural]

Maybe the Dems “need” is to try to bring you flyover people into the 21st Century with the rest of us.

 

[dblack]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

Minimum wage has long been a wedge issue for socialists. The goal is to establish government as an authority on prices and wages.

 

[Lesh]

Minimum wage has long been a wedge issue for socialists. The goal is to establish government as an authority on prices and wages.

Ummmm no...to put money in the hands of workers...

I know...a horrible concept to Republicans