I can’t seem to get an answer, what did USA get?

[Oddball]

I can’t seem to get an answer, what did USA get?​

It got the phoq out of another forever war, that the Orange dipschitt promised not to get us into.

That's good enough for me.

 

[toobfreak]

Libs are addicted to citations, and think of them as weapons. Nobody ever said they were very bright.

Thing is, citation to what? That the Strait was open before the war? That Iran has killed thousands of Americans over the years? That the impact of the war on us was mainly a $1.50 extra for gas for a while? (Oil is back under $80/barrel now). A citation to our destroying Fordrow last summer? That no one exactly knows why this war had to start last March or that we won't really know the benefits/costs until we see how that war/Iran actually resolve???

The problem with Tards and citations is that much like Iran, while they demand citations/proof of the slightest detail, good luck trying to ever get them to provide YOU with one!

 

[Anarchy666]

Well, now that the facts are in, I think we can all agree this was a defeat for the United States and Israel and that this war was a bad idea.
The good news is that the genie is out of the bottle and because of Trump, the neocons will NEVER be able to get away with another forever war EVER again and this is why they now hate him.

 

[toobfreak]

It got the phoq out of another forever war, that the Orange dipschitt promised not to get us into.​

Well, to be fair, OB, no one can promise not to get us into a war. What if you are attacked? What Trump promised was to not go looking for a fight, not to start a war, to end wars and apparently he did have a handle on helping close 8 conflicts around the globe, but in war, it takes TWO to tango and Iran has already been warring with us for 47 years, threatening us--- they are not at our beaches with battleships, but they've made it clear their whole intent in living is to destroy us.

Now I grant you no one knows why this whole thing started in March or why we destroyed Fordrow last June, no one saw it coming, but I have to trust that if Trump and Hegseth thought it necessary, then they must know stuff we don't.

So, hate Trump if you want, but probably not for this.

 

[Oddball]

Well, to be fair, OB, no one can promise not to get us into a war. What if you are attacked? What Trump promised was to not go looking for a fight, not to start a war, to end wars and apparently he did have a handle on helping close 8 conflicts around the globe, but in war, it takes TWO to tango and Iran has already been warring with us for 47 years, threatening us--- they are not at our beaches with battleships, but they've made it clear their whole intent in living is to destroy us.

Now I grant you no one knows why this whole thing started in March or why we destroyed Fordrow last June, no one saw it coming, but I have to trust that if Trump and Hegseth thought it necessary, then they must know stuff we don't.

So, hate Trump if you want, but probably not for this.

So many vapid rationalizations and cheap excuses, such little time.

 

[Magnus]

The United States spent at least 100,000,000,000 just fighting the war, our economy suffered badly, and we lost 15 hero’s….

After all that and the killing of many innocent school girls in Iran…

What do we get?

It’s clear what Iran gets, what did we win?

When you get a guy who spend millions to clean the reflecting pool only to have it gunk up again with algae… how do you think negotiations with Iran would go?

Best part? His MAGA retards still think he is a “Stable genius “.

 

[Magnus]

When you lost Fox News…

 

[toobfreak]

Well, now that the facts are in, I think we can all agree this was a defeat for the United States and Israel and that this war was a bad idea.

Ah no. Sorry, you've read this wrong, blinded by your TDS. Iran's nuke program is GONE. Their airforce GONE. Their Navy GONE. We were moving oil down the Strait. We have the capability of forcing the Strait open. What we cannot do is force UK insurers to insure the tankers against attack and loss.

But what this MOU does is several things:

1. It get the oil flowing and the economies of the world moving better again.
2. It buys us some time to ramp up bomb-making and replace a lot of ordinance.
3. It obviates congressional pressure over war powers.
4. It gives countries in the Persia region to build ports and pipelines where when finished, will enable them to sell oil and conduct commerce without depending on the Strait so not to be further affected by Iran going forward.
5. And lastly, this MOU can only fail if Iran pulls out. Many say Iran is getting a pretty good deal! Maybe too good. Maybe that was spice thrown in to further coax Iran to cooperate, but if the MOU falls through, there will be no doubt who was the cause, ITMT, I would bet that Trump and several other nations are deep in dialog RIGHT NOW discussing the possibility that if Iran falls back on its bullshit, that a multi-national force goes in there next and kicks their ass. You can be sure Trump is talking along those lines with most every country at the G7 and beyond.

So, no, all the facts are NOT in. The USA was not "defeated" in any way, and your TDS has blinded you yet again to reality.

 

[toobfreak]

So many vapid rationalizations and cheap excuses, such little time.

Me? Tell me one vapid rationalization, and one cheap excuse.

 

[Anarchy666]

Ah no. Sorry, you've read this wrong, blinded by your TDS. Iran's nuke program is GONE. Their airforce GONE. Their Navy GONE. We were moving oil down the Strait. We have the capability of forcing the Strait open. What we cannot do is force UK insurers to insure the tankers against attack and loss.

But what this MOU does is several things:

1. It get the oil flowing and the economies of the world moving better again.
2. It buys us some time to ramp up bomb-making and replace a lot of ordinance.
3. It obviates congressional pressure over war powers.
4. It gives countries in the Persia region to build ports and pipelines where when finished, will enable them to sell oil and conduct commerce without depending on the Strait so not to be further affected by Iran going forward.
5. And lastly, this MOU can only fail if Iran pulls out. Many say Iran is getting a pretty good deal! Maybe too good. Maybe that was spice thrown in to further coax Iran to cooperate, but if the MOU falls through, there will be no doubt who was the cause, ITMT, I would bet that Trump and several other nations are deep in dialog RIGHT NOW discussing the possibility that if Iran falls back on its bullshit, that a multi-national force goes in there next and kicks their ass. You can be sure Trump is talking along those lines with most every country at the G7 and beyond.

So, no, all the facts are NOT in. The USA was not "defeated" in any way, and your TDS has blinded you yet again to reality.

If you're blatantly going to ignore my post and then go on a multi-paragraph unhinged crashout accusing me of TDS then I'm just going to block you dude

 

[toobfreak]

If you're blatantly going to ignore my post

You mean like you are doing right now by ignoring any of my comments or questions? If that is the only way of dealing with questions you're too chickenshit to answer, then block away.

 

[ding]

It’s clear what Iran gets, what did we win?

Too soon to say. Plus it depends on who you mean by "we." Personally I don't believe "we" should have been fighting Israel's war for them. I'm glad it's over.

 

[MarcATL]

All we did was LOSE OP, bigly!

 

[ding]

Like CO2 induced H20?

Oh brother.

 

[1srelluc]

True. My tax cut pays for an entire year’s of gas.

Yep, my CPA told me I would have had to pay a little in this year rather than the 3K we got back due to The Trump Tax Cut.

On average we spend about $2600 on gas a year.

 

[1srelluc]

Was that worth 330,000,000,000.00

was that worth $330,000,000,000.00

Can you put a price on vengeance for the Beirut attack and the 241 dead Marines.....The Iranian Hostage Crisis, and their state sponsored terrorism?

Real Americans remember and if it's a money issue then most would not care if Iran was glassed for good and all.

Chanting "Death to America" for 47 years finally had some consequences to go with it.

 

[eagle1462010]

Can you put a price on vengeance for the Beirut attack and the 241 dead Marines.....The Iranian Hostage Crisis, and their state sponsored terrorism?

Real Americans remember and if it's a money issue then most would not care if Iran was glassed for good and all.

Chanting "Death to America" for 47 years finally had some consequences to go with it.

We OWE Iran more Vengence

 

[toobfreak]

Too soon to say. Plus it depends on who you mean by "we." Personally I don't believe "we" should have been fighting Israel's war for them.

I can appreciate that view. Israel certainly was the biggest winner in this conflict and we paid a lot for it. That said, Iran is the size of Alaska and Israel the size of New Jersey. They could certainly use the help, and they are a stabilizing democratic influence we want in the region. That said, without knowing the trigger that brought the destruction of Fordrow last summer or the attack on Iran this Spring, we really cannot say whose war we were really fighting? If this MOU resolves well, it'll be a win-win for most everyone, even Iran wins if they can just get their head out of their ass to realize it. And more to the point, if we shouldn't be fighting Israel's war, maybe we shouldn't be arming and funding Ukraine neither?

I'm glad it's over.

I don't believe it is over. Just in abeyance for at most, the next 60 days, if even that long.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The United States spent at least 100,000,000,000 just fighting the war, our economy suffered badly, and we lost 15 hero’s….

After all that and the killing of many innocent school girls in Iran…

What do we get?

It’s clear what Iran gets, what did we win?

We got screwed. Its ok. Trump got Epstein off the front page.

 

[Anarchy666]

You mean like you are doing right now by ignoring any of my comments or questions? If that is the only way of dealing with questions you're too chickenshit to answer, then block away.

Goodbye