Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[Meriweather]

Does it bother you that a Catholic Republican says you’re argument is wrong?

I know you quote me out of context...remember my reasoning? Milgram. He showed that if authority said something was alright to do, two-thirds (the majority of people) would go ahead and do it--whether it was torturing someone, or as we can see, whether it is ending the life of a living soul. My argument was that if government took the position of supporting all innocent life without making any law, there would be fewer abortions simply because those in authority refused to support such a position.

I can't recall if it was that thread or another where I remarked the medical lobby saw the money counties that permitted abortion were making of Americans who flew over to have an abortion. Money talks, and the very profession who has the motto of, First, do no harm, was drooling over the money that could have been in their pockets rather than flying overseas.

Ding's position is it should be a misdemeanor. I have no argument with that. But as government will not make it a misdemeanor, I want government approval off the table. Hidden facts: Upswing in the number of women who seek psychiatric help after having an abortion by fifty percent. Two-to-six percent higher suicide rate within a year of having had an abortion (as opposed to giving birth). Abortion--too often--takes two lives. That of the baby and that of the mother.

Ding and I have the same goal: Fewer abortions. Any proposal on how to achieve this I'm on board with. I have no statistics on whether a pro-life government or a misdemeanor charge would give the best result on fewer abortions.

 

[Meriweather]

Why is a Catholic poster here telling you your position is wrong?

You will never find a post where I told Ding his position is wrong. I simply submitted a post on another way abortions might be greatly reduced.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather mcii. : As for life in the womb, the government position should be that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, mrwthr 242201 Siasaf01102

ii. Meriweather mcclxii. to 1259 : You will never find a post where I told Ding his position is wrong. I simply submitted a post on another way abortions might be greatly reduced. mrwthr 241206 241206 Siasaf01262

iii. NotfooledbyW mcclxiii. to 1262 : Ding is wrong to want government to punish women for having an abortion.

You are correct, government has no reason or right to punish women for having abortion.

Did you write Siasaf01102. paragraph i above? nfbw 241206 Viasaf01263

 

[ding]

You will never find a post where I told Ding his position is wrong. I simply submitted a post on another way abortions might be greatly reduced.

I think the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to acknowledge it is wrong to end a human life and acknowledge that the life being ended is a specific person that has never existed before and will never exist again.

Making abortion a misdemeanor is an acknowledgement that it is wrong but does not impede anyone from actually doing it if they really want to do it. I don't see how anyone can complain about this compromise.

 

[ding]

ii. Meriweather mcclxii. to 1259 : You will never find a post where I told Ding his position is wrong. I simply submitted a post on another way abort

A lot of people don't get that honest people can have honest differences of opinions and that growth filled communities should explore all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth. That diversity of thought is a good thing that leads to discovering objective truth. From reading your posts I think you do get it.

I also don't think a lot of people know how to think logically in a sequential fashion to build an affirmative case for what they believe. From reading your posts I think you do know how to do that. Most people only know how to criticize someone else's beliefs or opinions. They criticize what they don't believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever building a logical affirmative case for what they believe.

 

[ding]

You are correct, government has no reason or right to punish women for having abortion.

I disagree. And I think we should debate that point in the Bull Ring.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather mcii. : As for life in the womb, the government position should be that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, mrwthr 242201 Siasaf01102

ii. The government has no authority to criminalize abortion based upon the fact that the public is not harmed when a woman has an abortion. It is none of Saint Ding’s business because there is no possible way that Saint Ding can be harmed when a woman has an abortion.

If you want

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. ding mccxxlvi. : I disagree. And I think we should debate that point in the Bull Ring. dvng 241206 Siasaf01266

ii. NotfooledbyW mcclcviii. to 1266. : You cannot tell me how you are harmed personally in any way that you need government to intervene on your behalf to restrict the liberty of young girls and women when they choose to KILL THE HUMAN LIFE inside their body, nfbw 241206 Viasaf01268

 

[whutTHEYsay]

They criticize what they don't believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever building a logical affirmative case for what they believe.

Tell me your justification for using government force of law to restrict the liberty of pregnant women where the choose to go against your Catholic religious convictions?

 

[ding]

You cannot tell me how you are harmed personally

Don't need to. Freedom of speech.

 

[ding]

Tell me your justification for using government force of law to restrict the liberty of pregnant women where the choose to go against your Catholic religious convictions?

There's no restriction and this has nothing to do with Catholics.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a misdemeanor.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

There's no restriction

Arresting a woman for having an abortion is a restriction of her liberty.

 

[ding]

Arresting a woman for having an abortion is a restriction of her liberty.

You don't get arrested for a misdemeanor. You pay a fine.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You don't get arrested for a misdemeanor. You pay a fine.

liar

What Is A Misdemeanor? Legal Definition And Examples

When you are arrested and charged with a crime, you will be charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony. These are classifications of offenses used to describe different types of crimes with varying levels of severity. But, what is a misdemeanor exactly? This guide explains what a misdemeano

www.forbes.com

Penalties for Misdemeanors​

Penalties for misdemeanors are set by the state where you live and vary depending on the specific details of the misdemeanor crime. Some possible consequences if you are convicted of a misdemeanor include the following:

• Jail time for under one year
• Fines
• Community service
• Driver’s license suspension
• Participation in a drug or alcohol treatment program if your misdemeanor related to controlled substances or impaired driving

The law dictates which penalties apply to you upon a misdemeanor conviction. There may be mandatory minimum sentences for some misdemeanors, in addition to maximum sentences. For example, if you are convicted of a particular type of misdemeanor, your state may specify you need to spend a minimum of two days or seven days or 10 days in jail.

How Serious Are MIsdemeanor Charges?​

Misdemeanor charges are serious. You can still face jail time for a misdemeanor, and will be left with a criminal record that can affect future opportunities. You will have to go to court to respond to misdemeanor charges, which can be stressful and expensive. And, in some cases, committing repeated misdemeanors may result in an escalation of penalties or even felony charges in the future.
You do not want to take misdemeanor charges lightly. You should work with an experienced criminal defense lawyer to explore options. Because misdemeanors are not considered to be as serious as felony charges, you may have more options available to you such as participating in a pre-trial diversion program to lessen the severity of your penalties.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I'm a poor Noahide at times. I swear in anger though not at anyone specifically. The laws themselves are easy for me and I go well beyond the seven.

To each their own but as much as 613 laws can be a task to keep, the purpose is important.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

My position is that abortion is a crime

We know.

i. NotfooledbyW mccxx. : What makes abortion a crime.

When a woman finds out she is pregnant six weeks after having sex and a week later she takes a couple pills she bought on-line that kills the embryo or fetus inside her body; its all done in the privacy of her home;

Where is the crime Sire Ding? nfbw 241205 Viasaf01220


ii. ding mccxxi to 1220. : The ending of a human life. dvng 241205 Siasaf01221


iii. NotfooledbyW mcclxxvi. to 1221. : Is the ending of a human life always a misdemeanor? nfbw 241206 Viasaf01276

 

[ding]

liar

What Is A Misdemeanor? Legal Definition And Examples

When you are arrested and charged with a crime, you will be charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony. These are classifications of offenses used to describe different types of crimes with varying levels of severity. But, what is a misdemeanor exactly? This guide explains what a misdemeano

www.forbes.com

Penalties for Misdemeanors​

Penalties for misdemeanors are set by the state where you live and vary depending on the specific details of the misdemeanor crime. Some possible consequences if you are convicted of a misdemeanor include the following:

• Jail time for under one year
• Fines
• Community service
• Driver’s license suspension
• Participation in a drug or alcohol treatment program if your misdemeanor related to controlled substances or impaired driving

The law dictates which penalties apply to you upon a misdemeanor conviction. There may be mandatory minimum sentences for some misdemeanors, in addition to maximum sentences. For example, if you are convicted of a particular type of misdemeanor, your state may specify you need to spend a minimum of two days or seven days or 10 days in jail.

How Serious Are MIsdemeanor Charges?​

Misdemeanor charges are serious. You can still face jail time for a misdemeanor, and will be left with a criminal record that can affect future opportunities. You will have to go to court to respond to misdemeanor charges, which can be stressful and expensive. And, in some cases, committing repeated misdemeanors may result in an escalation of penalties or even felony charges in the future.
You do not want to take misdemeanor charges lightly. You should work with an experienced criminal defense lawyer to explore options. Because misdemeanors are not considered to be as serious as felony charges, you may have more options available to you such as participating in a pre-trial diversion program to lessen the severity of your penalties.

A speeding ticket is a class C misdemeanor. That's what I am talking about.

 

[ding]

We know.

But you keep parsing what I am saying to make it seem worse than it is. So let me say it again.

My position is that abortion is a crime and given the complexity of the issue the punishment for that crime should be minimal... as in a class C misdemeanor with NO JAIL TIME.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. ding dccxii. to 710. : Says the rational theist who can’t say why he believes in a moralistic and providential creator. I get it. I wouldn’t want to label myself as an atheist either. dvng 241128. Siasaf00712

ii. NotfooledbyW mcclxxix. to 712. : You are a small immature human being Saint Ding. When you don’t understand God’s Providence from the perspective of your ego laden soul you lash out at something your dim carcass emotionally saved rationally hates - atheism.

It’s your Catholic tribalism that you can’t overcome. nfbw 241207 Siasaf01279

ii.a. NFBW+4U. Gandhi Quotes on God | God | God-Truth-Religion. Message of Mahatmaji. God Speaks Through Events. ¥. Mankind is notoriously too dense to read the signs that God sends from time to time. We require drums to be beaten into our ears before we should wake from our trance and hear the warning and see that to lose oneself in all, is the only way to find oneself. ¥. I have seen, and believe that God never appears to you in person, but in action, which can only account for your deliverance in your darkest hour. ¥. He does not work directly, He works through His numberless agencies.¥

ii.b. NFBW+4U Ghndhi Quotes on God | God | God-Truth-Religion. Message of Mahatmaji. ¥ God's Expression In All The Acts Of His Votary. ¥. God to be God must rule the heart and transform it. He must express Himself in even the smallest act of His votary. This can only be done through a definite realisation more real than the five senses can produce. Sense perceptions can be, often are, false and deceptive, however real they may appear to us. Where there is realisation out-side the senses, it is infallible. It is Proved not by the extraneous evidence but in the transformed conduct and character of those who have felt the real presence of God within. ¥.

nfbw 241207 Siasaf01279

 

[whutTHEYsay]

A speeding ticket is a class C misdemeanor. That's what I am talking about.

So whenever any human being let’s say willfully without just cause, ends the life of any other human being at any age or circumstance or conditions, your justice system calls for issuing that person a ticket for a class C misdemeanor that shall not include jail time?