Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[ding]

What makes abortion a crime.

When a woman finds out she is pregnant six weeks after having sex and a week later she takes a couple pills she bought on-line that kills the embryo or fetus inside her body; its all done in the privacy of her home;

Where is the crime Sire Ding?

The ending of a human life.

It's creepy that you see me as your sire.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Or rather I am speaking out for those who can't

Bless you, Saint Ding.

 

[ding]

Bless you, Saint Ding.

I'm no saint. But given that almost every post you make is a moral argument, I'm pretty sure you see yourself as one.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. ding mccxxiii to 1222 : I'm no saint. But given that almost every post you make is a moral argument, I'm pretty sure you see yourself as one. dvng 241205 Siasaf01223


ii. NotfooledbyW mccxxiv to 1223 : I see myself as a rational theistic Republican Only voter who votes in the primary interest of the middle through lower multicultural and multiracial WORKING CLASS.

Those who vote in opposition to WORKING CLASS interests are locked in sympathetically to politically potent irrational theists who are obsessed with a Biblical Worldview akin to Trump’s convicted felon Jesus believ’n campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis.

Saint JennaEllis is a perfect example of an irrational moralistic kinda white Biblical Worldview voter who votes in the interest of Baby Fetus and all Trump’s trickle downer billionaires who have suffered so greatly under a multiracial working class Administration.

That’s why you are an irrational voter too Baby Fetus Savior Ding, nfbw 241206 Viasaf01224

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather mcii. : As for life in the womb, the government position should that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, mrwthr 242201 Siasaf01102

ii. NotfooledbyW mccxxv. : The above statement is rational, truthful and therefore absolutely correct., Saint ding is absolutely wrong. nfbw 241206 Viasaf01225

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

i. Meriweather mcii. : As for life in the womb, the government position should that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, mrwthr 242201 Siasaf01102

ii. NotfooledbyW mccxxv. : The above statement is rational, truthful and therefore absolutely correct., Saint ding is absolutely wrong. nfbw 241206 Viasaf01225

What does this have to do with the OP, you deranged leftist?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

i. Meriweather mcii. : As for life in the womb, the government position should that it has no authority to bring about any criminal action, mrwthr 242201 Siasaf01102

ii. NotfooledbyW mccxxv. : The above statement is rational, truthful and therefore absolutely correct., Saint ding is absolutely wrong. nfbw 241206 Viasaf01225

iii. AzogtheDefiler mccxxvi. to 1225: What does this have to do with the OP, you deranged leftist? zgthdflr 241206 Siasaf01226

iv. NotfooledbyW mccxxvii to.1226. : The Republican Party’s slippage into the hell of authoritarianism under Trump has been ultimately driven by the “saving baby fetus” movement by irrational Judeo:Christian biblical view control freaks.

You appeared to me to be on their side.

Where do you stand on the abortion issue in the United States as a former Jew, current Jew, or. simply as confused human being lost in the wilderness of political ignorance? nfbw 241206 Viasaf01227

That the principles and past behaviors of the Democratic Party are a more natural fit for Jewish people.

would give up being Democrat before I gave up the Jewish faith. I've heard non-Jews say it's not that they gave up being Democrat, Democrats left them, so they had to find a better fit. Uncertain of the other major party they chose Independent, Libertarian, Unaffiliated.

The majority of Catholics were known to be Democrats as well, but Democrats (and Catholic politicians to start with) put aside Catholic ideology in favor of Democrat ideology.

I don't need Democrats--or any political party--more than I need/treasure my faith and God.

Can a woman choose to have an abortion IN ISRAEL or does she have to get state permission to have an abortion IN ISRAEL?

Democrats openly dislike Jews as they showed post 10:7 and still Jews support em. Democrats elect Muslim Extremists into Congress who support BDS of Israel.

Democrats have been keeping blacks in economic bondage going on a century.

. I am not black. I am a Jew so I can opine there.

All I can say is that Israel's position on gay marriage and abortion - which I believe is influenced by their religious beliefs - seems to be at odds with the Democratic Party platform. And the Democratic Party's position on God and Israel seems to be at odds with Israel.

So as far as I am concerned I still think the disconnect between the two is a head scratcher.

v. NotfooledbyW mccxxvii to.1226. : Its also because Saint Ding has dandruff. nfbw 241206 Viasaf01227

 

[Donald H]

Don't speak for me and my family. You have it so very wrong.

Alright. Bogus was my choice of words and I wasn't suggesting that you would call the bibles 'bogus. Let's just agree that we can agree that heart has been torn out of the bibles' meaning when the Catholic church accepted Darwinian evolution in around 1950.

 

[Donald H]

Or you could just go to the Catechism and read what it says, right?

You would have to explain how I'm getting it wrong. The Catechism relies on too many weasel words that are intended to convince the flock that they can believe two opposite and contradicting conclusions

Because your games bore me.

If you can't accept the truths then you'll just have to ignore them. I'm happy to have your input now.

Mod edit to fix messed up quote box.

 

[Meriweather]

Alright. Bogus was my choice of words and I wasn't suggesting that you would call the bibles 'bogus. Let's just agree that we can agree that heart has been torn out of the bibles' meaning when the Catholic church accepted Darwinian evolution in around 1950.

What you don't get is that the Church never had a quarrel with evolution, Darwinian or otherwise. This was confirmed by Pope Pius XII in 1950--not approved, nor was it a change in teaching. Evolution was never a problem for Catholics. I've been telling you this over and over and over again, noting my grandmother lived through these times (prior to 1950) and was aware of what was going on.

Despite your insistence, no heart has been torn from Bible meaning because the lessons the Bible teach are spiritual, philosophical, behavioral lessons, not science lessons. This should not be so difficult to comprehend.

 

[Donald H]

No, it's passive aggressiveness for your own entertainment and amusement at the expense of others. So unless you see it that way we really aren't MUTUALLY accepting it.

I think most of the others are mostly staying out of it because they don't want to fall into the trap the Catholic church set for itself.

Who among them wants t own 'Jonah and the big fish story?

WHO?

Not you, me, Meri, and her granny!

 

[Meriweather]

Not you, me, Meri, and her granny!

Wrong. The lesson in Jonah is real. You dismiss the lesson to focus on the fish, which is a prime example of not seeing the forest for the trees. This is why the Bible is of no use for you but great use for me. The big picture is there to easily understand for those who see, for those who hear.

 

[Donald H]

What you don't get is that the Church never had a quarrel with evolution, Darwinian or otherwise. This was confirmed by Pope Pius XII in 1950--not approved, nor was it a change in teaching. Evolution was never a problem for Catholics. I've been telling you this over and over and over again, noting my grandmother lived through these times (prior to 1950) and was aware of what was going on.

Can you see the problem with granny's contradiction? You tell me about her beliefs as if she was thinking ahead of the flock. And she was! There's just no way you can make people accept that the Catholics believed in evolution in 1950!

Despite your insistence, no heart has been torn from Bible meaning because the lessons the Bible teach are spiritual, philosophical, behavioral lessons, not science lessons. This should not be so difficult to comprehend.

And once again my friend, I'm not contradicting you on the bibles teaching spiritual lessons. I'm suggesting that most of the bible stories are not literally true. There's no need to cite more examples now.

Isn't it a bit troubling that nobody but Ding can just say it?

Or he keeps hinting that his catechism says it for him?

 

[Donald H]

Wrong. The lesson in Jonah is real. You dismiss the lesson to focus on the fish, which is a prime example of not seeing the forest for the trees. This is why the Bible is of no use for you but great use for me. The big picture is there to easily understand for those who see, for those who hear.

That's hardly fair. I've been shown in print the true meaning of the story and I'm not rejecting it. That's what the 4 of us have in common.

I'm seeing both the forest and the trees because I've been able to move the fish aside. Have you?

If it's not meant to be literally true, and never was, can you at least publicly reject the lie?

Your granny did and ;so isn't it ironic that you refer to her as the exception! She was the exception!

 

[Meriweather]

Can you see the problem with granny's contradiction? You tell me about her beliefs as if she was thinking ahead of the flock. And she was! There's just no way you can make people accept that the Catholics believed in evolution in 1950!

There was no problem. At that time my grandmother was living in a city, going through nurses training and science often taught by nuns. It was Catholic nuns who were teaching, and you can just bet they were not rogue Catholic nuns. There were other Catholic hospitals in other cities (not to mention other kinds of Catholic schools) teaching the theory of evolution as well. No one was forced to believe evolution; people could believe or disbelieve as they saw fit. Again, this was related to me by people who lived through these times.

And once again my friend, I'm not contradicting you on the bibles teaching spiritual lessons. I'm suggesting that most of the bible stories are not literally true. There's no need to cite more examples now.

Isn't it a bit troubling that nobody but Ding can just say it?

Or he keeps hinting that his catechism says it for him?

All my life I've known some of the Bible stories are not literally true! A ten-or-eleven-year old knows this because we teach them about fables, just so stories, folklore, etc. You are like someone who thinks the wheel is a modern invention, not something that came into being thousands of years ago. Wake up. Read Genesis carefully. Any middle school student who pays attention in English class can read through Genesis and identify which parts are just so stories, which are fables, which are folklore, etc. How old are you, and how many years was your head buried in the sand that all this has been a shocking surprise to you?

 

[Donald H]

Wrong. The lesson in Jonah is real. You dismiss the lesson to focus on the fish, which is a prime example of not seeing the forest for the trees. This is why the Bible is of no use for you but great use for me. The big picture is there to easily understand for those who see, for those who hear.

Jonah being real or fictional isn't an important part of the story to me He's no more important than the big fish. Probably less imporetant than the fish because there would be no story without the fish.

I think you're trying to disown the fish because it causes embarrassment and doubting

You have to own the fish in the same way you have to own the Ark.

Can you quote for me a part of Ding's Catechism that would be applicable to his talking points?

 

[Meriweather]

Jonah being real or fictional isn't an important part of the story to me He's no more important than the big fish. Probably less imporetant than the fish because there would be no story without the fish.

I think you're trying to disown the fish because it causes embarrassment and doubting

You have to own the fish in the same way you have to own the Ark.

I no more disown the fish in the story of Jonah than I disown the tortoise and the hare in Aesop's fables. Truly, I burst out laughing when I read that you think I disown the fish! In fact, as I mentioned before, a person has survived being swallowed by a fish. Fish and arks may bother you, but I haven't a problem with either one.

 

[Meriweather]

Can you quote for me a part of Ding's Catechism that would be applicable to his talking points?

Give me a specific example.

 

[Donald H]

There was no problem. At that time my grandmother was living in a city, going through nurses training and science often taught by nuns. It was Catholic nuns who were teaching, and you can just bet they were not rogue Catholic nuns. There were other Catholic hospitals in other cities (not to mention other kinds of Catholic schools) teaching the theory of evolution as well. No one was forced to believe evolution; people could believe or disbelieve as they saw fit. Again, this was related to me by people who lived through these times.

Not related to you by granny?

I have to take your word, with caution, on what the nuns told you or the unanimous person told.

But there nobody's words can change the fact that Catholics (95% or betteer) accepted the bible's stories as being literally true in 1950. I challenge you to show evidence that it's less than 50% even now.

All my life I've known some of the Bible stories are not literally true! A ten-or-eleven-year old knows this because we teach them about fables, just so stories, folklore, etc. You are like someone who thinks the wheel is a modern invention, not something that came into being thousands of years ago.

You're trying to fill space with what you imagine I know about the wheel. And that's rude and demeaning!

Wake up. Read Genesis carefully. Any middle school student who pays attention in English class can read through Genesis and identify which parts are just so stories, which are fables, which are folklore, etc. How old are you, and how many years was your head buried in the sand that all this has been a shocking surprise to you?

Give me a story from Genesis that you know to not be true. Do you have one or are you cautious about making such claims?

There are a majority of Christians taking part on this board whyo don't dare decide on the question of Genesis being true or bogus.

How rude of you to claim that stories from Genesis weren't accepted in 1950!

 

[Donald H]

I no more disown the fish in the story of Jonah than I disown the tortoise and the hare in Aesop's fables. Truly, I burst out laughing when I read that you think I disown the fish! In fact, as I mentioned before, a person has survived being swallowed by a fish. Fish and arks may bother you, but I haven't a problem with either one.

You're pretending to burst out laughing at me more than twice a day now.