Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[hobelim]

There’s a big difference between recognizing the world is unfair......

So, you do not believe that the earth is a part of the kingdom of God or that God is fair and just?

What a surprise! I see things differently.

Gods Law is clear. Do this, don't do that. Do this and you will live, do that and you will surely DIE.

Simple. Everyone is equally free to learn from Divine instruction or to say and do stupid things..

You are an idolator who teaches others to do the same, which amounts to murder, and obviously has no inkling that you died in the very day you first got down on your knees in the deranged and degrading adoration of bread made by human hands that you eat for spiritual life... DERP!

A person who sets aside Divine Law, prays to a trinity (a false god) seeks spiritual life from the work of human hands, perjures himself in the name of God daily, and desecrates the teaching of Jesus, died and descended into Gehenna as a consequence of their brazen and deliberate sins.

The world is unfair?............

No human element was even necessary to judge or enforce the Law of God. Same as it ever was.

Seems fair to me.

 

[BreezeWood]

The burning bush story happened to Moses. And "Jews" are special just like Jesus is special, as is anyone who can grasp the complicated premise of the Law which amounts to cause and effect and learns to incorporate that teaching into their thinking and actions creating a new creature on earth. One that knows good and evil and chooses good becoming "like one of us" a "living being"

Separate from the violent bloodthirsty wild beasts of the field and that terrifying jabberwocky....

very close to the precepts inclusive within the original heavenly religion of antiquity - not found in any of the desert bibles.

And "Jews" are special just like Jesus is special,

you unfortunately remain a sinner, influencer of false religions ... jesus repudiated judaism in near entirety.

the sinless 1st century itinerant knew as their accomplishment taught them - all in the heavens are equal ... fundamental judaism et al the desert religions are all three deviants from the path to the everlasting.

 

[hobelim]

you unfortunately remain a sinner,

I am not a sinner. I never sin. I always do exactly as God commands as taught by Jesus himself.

 

[hobelim]

jesus repudiated judaism in near entirety.

Nonsense. Jesus taught the same exact way that Moses originally taught to follow the Law that had been lost to time for 1000 years after the death of Moses. The only thing repudiated was the wrong way to understand the words and subjects of the Law that became "the traditions of men"

Some listened, Some didn't. One was taken, the other was left behind.

Try to understand how hard it must have been for his people to accept that they had been doing things wrong for 1000 years from someone they thought was a sinner, a glutton, and a drunk.

It would've been as hard for people then as it would be for Christians now to accept from a junkie they had the whole damn story wrong and been in hell worshipping the Antichrist for 1699 years

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

This thread is about me!

 

[hobelim]

This thread is about me!

Wow!

Step away to wherever you want. Apparently no one cares. There you go! A post all about you.


Do you feel better now?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Wow!


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Step away to wherever you want. Apparently no one cares. There you go, a post all about you.


Does that make you feel better?

My post was sarcasm. You took it literally.

 

[hobelim]

My post was sarcasm.

Bullshit. Crybaby.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bullshit. Crybaby.

Your back pedaling is delicious but not as delicious as your temper tantrum.

 

[hobelim]

Your back pedaling is delicious but not as delicious as your temper tantrum.

Sure, anything you say. A delicious temper tantrum! Pure projection on your part. Child.

Pssst! This thread is not about me. This thread is about you and I agree! Congratulations!

If you don't believe me, read your own post... Zone1 - I am stepping away from Judaism

So if you're really stepping away from Judaism, go ahead and get on with already. Chump.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Sure, anything you say. A delicious temper tantrum! Pure projection on your part. Child.

Pssst! This thread is not about me. This thread is about you and I agree! Congratulations!

If you don't believe me, read your own post... Zone1 - I am stepping away from Judaism

So if you're really stepping away from Judaism, go ahead and get on with already. Chump.

What does it have to do with you being a *****?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

my bigger point was to Saint Ding the Catholic who believes the sanctify of life begins at conception:

Jewish law, which states that life or personhood begins at birth.

It isn't a question of logicasl deduction. You made a claim about abortion in Israel, stating "Basically if you’re married in and live in Israel you have to get permission from the state and your husband to have an abortion." If that isn't in the law and is simply an assumption you are making, you should contextualize it as such.

(in 2003) with 19,500 legal abortions performed and 200 requests for abortion denied …… reasons for termination went as follows: The woman was unmarried (42%),


Why does it matter to the state if a woman is married or not if the husband has nothing to do with it.


I read this as a woman can’t get an approved abortion through the state if she is married and does not fit the other requirements.

You can apply for an abortion in any of the following cases:

• you're under 18 or over 40. If you're under 18, you don't need your parents consent
• the pregnancy is a result of unlawful sexual intercourse, for example, rape or incest (as defined by criminal law)
• the pregnancy could endanger your life or cause you physical or psychological harm
• you're not married or you got pregnant outside of marriage
• the fetus may have a physical or mental defect

If you don't meet any of these conditions you won't be permitted to terminate the prgnancy.

Abortion in Israel: Relatively Easy to Get, Hard to Discuss

The discourse over abortion differs dramatically between the United States and Israel, where the procedure is legal and barely a political issue.

www.hadassahmagazine.org

This attitude reflects Jewish law, which states that life or personhood begins at birth. Moreover, the Talmud states in Yevamot 69b that “until 40 days from conception the fetus is merely water. It is not yet considered a living being.” Furthermore, in halacha, a threat to a woman’s life takes priority over the continuation of her pregnancy. These precepts allow more flexibility, not to mention a range of Jewish opinions, around the issue of abortion.

 

[hobelim]

What does it have to do with you being a *****?

Without even knowing it you are revealing more and more about yourself in this thread about you.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nonsense. Jesus taught the same exact way that Moses originally taught to follow the Law that had been lost to time for 1000 years ...

you are mistaken, the events of the 1st century were the repudiation of judaism those four mary joseph jesus mary m are the chosen heavenly exemplars the crucifiers that wrote the 4th century christian bible circumvented their role for their own and particularly jesus they use for their name and nothing else ... liberation theology, self determination is no where found in any desert bible.

provide the tablets claimed by moses - they never existed there are no heavenly commandments their goal granted a&e for judgment their triumph is all there is.

Separate from the violent bloodthirsty wild beasts of the field ....

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

what they taught in the 1st century than judaism ... you haven't a clue what is heavenly life and goal for all living beings. as being the same.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Without even knowing it you are revealing more and more about yourself in this thread about you.

Way to dodge the question

 

[BreezeWood]

This thread is about me!

of course it is - azogthedefiler ...

judaism's finest patron is now why they have changed their mind and portend their new path of reconciliation being to do with schiff as their love for those living in gaza is doing for them ... jews forever they really are special.

 

[rosends]

my bigger point was to Saint Ding the Catholic who believes the sanctify of life begins at conception:

Jewish law, which states that life or personhood begins at birth.




(in 2003) with 19,500 legal abortions performed and 200 requests for abortion denied …… reasons for termination went as follows: The woman was unmarried (42%),


Why does it matter to the state if a woman is married or not if the husband has nothing to do with it.


I read this as a woman can’t get an approved abortion through the state if she is married and does not fit the other requirements.

You can apply for an abortion in any of the following cases:

• you're under 18 or over 40. If you're under 18, you don't need your parents consent
• the pregnancy is a result of unlawful sexual intercourse, for example, rape or incest (as defined by criminal law)
• the pregnancy could endanger your life or cause you physical or psychological harm
• you're not married or you got pregnant outside of marriage
• the fetus may have a physical or mental defect

If you don't meet any of these conditions you won't be permitted to terminate the prgnancy.

Abortion in Israel: Relatively Easy to Get, Hard to Discuss

The discourse over abortion differs dramatically between the United States and Israel, where the procedure is legal and barely a political issue.

www.hadassahmagazine.org

This attitude reflects Jewish law, which states that life or personhood begins at birth. Moreover, the Talmud states in Yevamot 69b that “until 40 days from conception the fetus is merely water. It is not yet considered a living being.” Furthermore, in halacha, a threat to a woman’s life takes priority over the continuation of her pregnancy. These precepts allow more flexibility, not to mention a range of Jewish opinions, around the issue of abortion.

None of this says that if a woman in married, she needs her husband's approval. Being unmarried is listed as a reason for wanting a termination. It says nothing about the husband.

As for Jewish law, life does NOT begin at birth. The quote from Yevamot says that life begins after 40 days in the womb. Halacha daws a line at first heartbeat, and at viability. For boy babies, in fact, personhood in a major sense doesn't occur until aftert the baby is born.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

of course it is - azogthedefiler ...

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judaism's finest patron is now why they have changed their mind and portend their new path of reconciliation being to do with schiff as their love for those living in gaza is doing for them ... jews forever they really are special.

I am the Messiah

 

[whutTHEYsay]

rosends

None of this says that if a woman in married, she needs her husband's approval.

The way I read is Israeli law on abortion is that a married woman cannot get a legal abortion.

The law does not have to state that she needs her husband‘s approval because she can’t get a legal abortion. That’s how I read it.

I’m just saying that restriction it’s probably due to Israel beings a paternalistic society because the religion is as paternalistic as they come.

 

[irosie91]

None of this says that if a woman in married, she needs her husband's approval. Being unmarried is listed as a reason for wanting a termination. It says nothing about the h

rosends

The way I read is Israeli law on abortion is that a married woman cannot get a legal abortion.

The law does not have to state that she needs her husband‘s approval because she can’t get a legal abortion. That’s how I read it.

I’m just saying that restriction it’s probably due to Israel beings a paternalistic society because the religion is as paternalistic as they come.

you read it ENTIRELY WRONG. In a practical sense ---a woman---
married or not can get an abortion.