Zone1 I am stepping away from Judaism

[luiza]

We are all walking away.

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Appreciate what appears to be a very candid and honest account.
Good luck .

You are probably a very decent OK person who has become attached to a Cult without anybody acquainting you of its full background and the way your elite treat people like you and also the outside world .
Enough said .
But there is a depth of a million turns and twists which are largely unknown save by some of your community leaders and scholars
imho.

 

[Failzero]

Appreciate what appears to be a very candid and honest account.
Good luck .

You are probably a very decent OK person who has become attached to a Cult without anybody acquainting you of its full background and the way your elite treat people like you and also the outside world .
Enough said .
But there is a depth of a million turns and twists which are largely unknown save by some of your community leaders and scholars
imho.

The Cult of Islam ? The Cult of Anti Colonialist Marxism ?? The Cult of Hedonist Liberalism ???

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

How does walking away from Judaism help? You are giving the antisemites what they want - to so abuse and spew venom toward the Jews that they throw up their hands in surrender and abandon the faith, taking us one step further to a world without Jews.

With all due respect, because I like you, you are playing right into their hands.

Not at all. Because we need to fix our own house before we blame others. People like Jennifer Rubin are vile.

 

[Lisa558]

Not at all. Because we need to fix our own house before we blame others. People like Jennifer Rubin are vile.

But if you abandon Judaism, then you’ve given the Jew-haters what they want: the extermination of the Jewish religion.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

But if you abandon Judaism, then you’ve given the Jew-haters what they want: the extermination of the Jewish religion.

Our own people pushed me out not the antisemites but I get your pt. I need to consider that

 

[Lisa558]

Our own people pushed me out not the antisemites but I get your pt. I need to consider that

Thank you.

I have friends who are wearing very noticeable Jewish stars to show the antisemites that they will not hide their identities. It’s sort of the same thing.

Also, remember that it’s not ALL Jews. Some states had 40%+ of Jews voting for Trump, including 45% of NY Jews. (If Lee Zeldin doesn’t get a federal post, he should reconsider a run against Hochul again. I bet he’d win this time.)

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Thank you.

I have friends who are wearing very noticeable Jewish stars to show the antisemites that they will not hide their identities. It’s sort of the same thing.

Also, remember that it’s not ALL Jews. Some states had 40%+ of Jews voting for Trump, including 45% of NY Jews. (If Lee Zeldin doesn’t get a federal post, he should reconsider a run against Hochul again. I bet he’d win this time.)

Oh I know it’s not all but way too many.

 

[Lisa558]

Oh I know it’s not all but way too many.

I agree that it’s infuriating, but we are going up against generational patterns. They refuse to see what the Dem Party has devolved into. They still think, ignorantly, that Dems “care about people” and that Republicans are the antisemites.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I agree that it’s infuriating, but we are going up against generational patterns. They refuse to see what the Dem Party has devolved into. They still think, ignorantly, that Dems “care about people” and that Republicans are the antisemites.

I am a huge fan of Ben Shapiro. Like Lee Zeldin a lot. We have a lot of good people on our side. I agree

 

[Failzero]

Our own people pushed me out not the antisemites but I get your pt. I need to consider that

Our own Marxists from a long line of Marxists ? Or our own self hating Far Left Jews who push for Divestment and Sanctions on Israel ??

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Our own Marxists from a long line of Marxists ? Or our own self hating Far Left Jews who push for Divestment and Sanctions on Israel ??

Both

Read the OP

 

[kjw47]

How does walking away from Judaism help? You are giving the antisemites what they want - to so abuse and spew venom toward the Jews that they throw up their hands in surrender and abandon the faith, taking us one step further to a world without Jews.

With all due respect, because I like you, you are playing right into their hands.

Jesus cut the Jewish religion off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:38) Jesus started a new religion, all who follow Jesus leave the Jewish religion and come to Jesus' 1 religion he is with( not the hundreds of different ones claiming to be his) just 1 has Jesus.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus cut the Jewish religion off of being Gods chosen ...

they knew judaism's false hereditary idolatry, abraham and commandments madeup by moses et al were barriers to the fulfillment of humanities destiny deliberately manifested by those seeking their own selfish agenda than the true heavenly goals set from the beginning without prejudice and for all inclined for a life in the everlasting when properly achieved.

judaism, all three desert religions are equally culpable in their fallacy of heavenly renderings as their own self indulgences have proven throughout recorded history and is the true goal of the 1st century events to bring fruition to religion rather than senseless disorder.

 

[fncceo]

Our own people pushed me out not the antisemites but I get your pt. I need to consider that

What makes you think we'll take you back?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What makes you think we'll take you back?

I havent Left yet. I said once my parents go and that’s many years from now hopefully

 

[MaryAnne11]

I have been posting here but rarely. I even walked away for a while. Recent events have made me understand my culture and faith on a higher level. I am a Jew, a son of parents whose parents fought the Nazis in the old Soviet Union. I lost a vast amount of my ancestors to WW2 and the Holocaust. There are very few of us left in the world. The vitriol against Jews remains high. With my kids ready for college, I cannot have them be under fire because of the hatred. We saw on our college campuses how most colleges took the side of protesters and even told Jewish students to study remotely. They cancelled graduations. They appeased those who would call for the end of Israel and for blatant antisemitism.

What unified both the far left and far right is their hatred of Jews. I get it form the Left. They see Jews as wealthy oppressors and white. That to them means evil. I see it from the Nazi alt right too. They want Hitler to finish what he started. What was troubling is that the moderates began to hate too.

Why?

Then it came to me. We bring this upon ourselves. People like Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Alejandro Mayorkas (yes he is a Jew), etc.

Let’s take Schiff for example. He bashed Hur for calling Biden a senile old man only to now ask Biden to step down because, well he is a senile old man. Why? Their lies were exposed. Schiff always knew this but lied to the American people. This feeds into the hateful narrative that Jews are deceitful.

Many, hell most Jews still vote Democrat despite the party overtly telling us they don’t want our vote just our money.

The faith is no longer with me. I ll pretend while my parents are still here. But once they are gone, so goes my faith and allegiance to Judaism. Same for my kids.

We are all walking away.

I share this here because despite all the hate this site has, it also has honesty and I respect that.

Writing this will likely result in some posts slamming me. And that’s fine. Actually therapeutic. In the end while I despise low life antisemites, I have to admit that I despise Democrat Jews equally.

Its time to leave the faith.

Thank you for reading.

Why are you blaming your fellow Jews with out condemning the real traitor to your religion?

That is Bibi Netanyahu who continues to kill thousands of. Innocents without mercy? He is doing the same thing Adolph Hitler did.
And before you start ranting at me, my future husband was 19 when they liberated the camps. My Dad was there, too.
You need to get rid of your own monster within.

BTW he supported Hamas when it suited him"

Justoffal, you know better.

 

[MaryAnne11]

I do not but people like Schiff absolutely sicken me.

What did Schiff do to you? I have ever seen anything but courtesy and Truth from Schiff. You are making up lies.

 

[MaryAnne11]

I havent Left yet. I said once my parents go and that’s many years from now hopefully

You base your faith on what others so? Faith is between you and God. No one else.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I have been posting here but rarely. I even walked away for a while. Recent events have made me understand my culture and faith on a higher level. I am a Jew, a son of parents whose parents fought the Nazis in the old Soviet Union. I lost a vast amount of my ancestors to WW2 and the Holocaust. There are very few of us left in the world. The vitriol against Jews remains high. With my kids ready for college, I cannot have them be under fire because of the hatred. We saw on our college campuses how most colleges took the side of protesters and even told Jewish students to study remotely. They cancelled graduations. They appeased those who would call for the end of Israel and for blatant antisemitism.

What unified both the far left and far right is their hatred of Jews. I get it form the Left. They see Jews as wealthy oppressors and white. That to them means evil. I see it from the Nazi alt right too. They want Hitler to finish what he started. What was troubling is that the moderates began to hate too.

Why?

Then it came to me. We bring this upon ourselves. People like Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Alejandro Mayorkas (yes he is a Jew), etc.

Let’s take Schiff for example. He bashed Hur for calling Biden a senile old man only to now ask Biden to step down because, well he is a senile old man. Why? Their lies were exposed. Schiff always knew this but lied to the American people. This feeds into the hateful narrative that Jews are deceitful.

Many, hell most Jews still vote Democrat despite the party overtly telling us they don’t want our vote just our money.

The faith is no longer with me. I ll pretend while my parents are still here. But once they are gone, so goes my faith and allegiance to Judaism. Same for my kids.

We are all walking away.

I share this here because despite all the hate this site has, it also has honesty and I respect that.

Writing this will likely result in some posts slamming me. And that’s fine. Actually therapeutic. In the end while I despise low life antisemites, I have to admit that I despise Democrat Jews equally.

Its time to leave the faith.

Thank you for reading.

Oddly, I'm a non-Jew who has been interested in religions of all types for many years going back to university. This includes some reading on Buddhism, Shinto, Christianity, Judaism and even a bit of reading on Islam.

I suppose I would be classified as a Noahide. Born in a Jewish hospital, my life saved by a Jewish doctor (who remained my doctor for my childhood years) and Jewish nurses. For years I had been moving closer to Judaism even self eliminating pork many years ago and even looking at buying a menorah during Hanukkah just to do my part even as we had a Christmas tree up. Now I try and follow the 613 mitzvot and will obediently follow the journey of the path that's laid out for me.

There are many people who are ethnically Jewish but who don't follow G-ds commands and/or live the belief in a higher power. To each their own I suppose. I personally view Judaism more as a religion than an ethnicity as even the founder of Israel understood how important the Torah was to the continued existence of Judaism.

I hope you find the answers you are seeking even if you aren't seeking them. Sometimes the answers just arrive without notice or without us canvassing for them.

 

[Lisa558]

I havent Left yet. I said once my parents go and that’s many years from now hopefully

But again, remember….if all Jews thought like you, then the antisemites will have achieved their objective to exterminate the Jewish people.

That said, I understand your frustration with our own people who continue to vote Democrat, not only voting for the side that tolerates and encourages antisemitism, but actually demeaning those of us who won’t submit to their way. My answer has been to change shuls to an Orthodox one, where more than half of members are Republicans, and build a new group of Jewish friends, (I did this back in 2016, when my then friends were condemning Trump and “the morons who voted for him” - to my face.)