How worried are R's about the ACA premium hike backlash? This worried.

[berg80]

More than 75% of people enrolled in the ACA live in states that Trump won, in 2024.

So what's the political calculus to R's screwing their constituents? Did the DOGE team mine data suggesting people with ACA plans don't vote? Is this, cuts to Medicaid, and the eventual closing of rural hospitals part of some master plan that hasn't been revealed? Cuz on the surface letting the subsidies expire looks like political suicide.

 

[berg80]

Yes, or better, they could scrap the ACA and immediately replace it with a plan that some Republicans were talking about, as I pointed out three years ago:

I'll be danged - Republicans may have it right on a health system!

But what we DON'T do is just pull the rug out from under millions of Americans with no notice and no clear plan. That is stupid, inhumane, and terrible leadership.

There's a problem with the Medicare for all proposal. The R's have sabotaged it by creating a new narrative to try to get them out of the ACA subsidy mess. They don't want "the government sending money to insurance companies." Which is what would happen if there's a huge increase in Medicare Advantage policies.

 

[Mac1958]

There's a problem with the Medicare for all proposal. The R's have sabotaged it by creating a new narrative to try to get them out of the ACA subsidy mess. They don't want "the government sending money to insurance companies." Which is what would happen if there's a huge increase in Medicare Advantage policies.

Yeah, that's why I was so shocked to see any of them even discussing it. Stunned.

There is no perfect health care system, but at least that system would maintain a solid government backbone and innovative free market competition. A workable compromise, which we used to be able to handle.

And as long as Americans remain SO GODDAMN FAT, health care costs are going to be signficantly higher than they should be, due to the various issues surrounding heart disease.

 

[berg80]

Yeah, that's why I was so shocked to see any of them even discussing it. Stunned.

There is no perfect health care system, but at least that system would maintain a solid government backbone and innovative free market competition. A workable compromise, which we used to be able to handle.

And as long as Americans remain SO GODDAMN FAT, health care costs are going to be signficantly higher than they should be, due to the various issues surrounding heart disease.

Which is why GLP-1 drugs are going to change the healthcare landscape. The positive implications from weight loss for a variety illnesses are enormous.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, or better, they could scrap the ACA and immediately replace it with a plan that some Republicans were talking about, as I pointed out three years ago:

I'll be danged - Republicans may have it right on a health system!

I don't see the GOP agreeing to any particular plan. Most of them don't like the idea of government paying for people's healthcare, and they will hate the details even more.

But what we DON'T do is just pull the rug out from under millions of Americans with no notice and no clear plan. That is stupid, inhumane, and terrible leadership.

No notice? The news has endlessly whined about for months.

Pull the rug? We're talking about typical premiums going from $50 to $107. You're buying into the hype - or pretending to.

 

[Mac1958]

Which is why GLP-1 drugs are going to change the healthcare landscape. The positive implications from weight loss for a variety illnesses are enormous.

Yeah, I'm giddy about what AI and medical advances will be able to do.

I was most excited for my kids' future health, but hell, it looks like it will be cool for my wife and I too.

They're already "printing" eyes and kidneys, and soon pharmaceuticals will be tailored to our DNA.

For all the dangers AI presents, there sure will be an upside too.

 

[sparky]

The "R's" told you idiots the piece of crap ACA wasn't sustainable when it was forced onto the people

The ACA broke the backs of the middle class.

Trump was always fine with some extension of parts of the COVID Supplemental Subsidy in addition to the massive "regular" subsidy that had to be implimented to cover up how unaffordable premiums had become under the "Affordable" Care Act.

Someone else though pays for it.

what happens when any given industry no longer needs to compete for customers??

~S~

 

[initforme]

What is the answer?

Right now under the ACA COVID temporary subsidies, millionaires and billionaires - who are quite skilled at avoiding taxes - have their healthcare insurance subsidized by the taxes levied on working men and women.

Why do you want that to continue?

By February or March at the latest, voters will realize that the sky didn't fall, as the Chicken Little's claimed it would.

You only believe it will because the politicians are heavily paid by the healthcare insurance providers to tell you that it will.

Healthcare is going to become issue #1 very soon. Thos would be a great time for both sides to sit down and make it cost alot lot less. Im not sure theyre capable though. Might need a janotor grade person to fix it.

 

[Greenbeard]

Right now under the ACA COVID temporary subsidies, millionaires and billionaires - who are quite skilled at avoiding taxes - have their healthcare insurance subsidized by the taxes levied on working men and women.

Harsh critique of Trump’s tax law, but this has nothing to do with the ACA.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Harsh critique of Trump’s tax law, but this has nothing to do with the ACA.

You dispute that millionaires and billionaires have their health care insurance paid for by taxpayers under the ACA temporary covid subsidies?

What limits on income or wealth do those subsidies set?

 

[Greenbeard]

You dispute that millionaires and billionaires have their health care insurance paid for by taxpayers under the ACA temporary covid subsidies?

Obviously.

What limits on income or wealth do those subsidies set?

With a national average benchmark premium of~$497/month this year, for an individual the subsidies phase out at incomes around $70,000.

 

[sealybobo]

Hey, they offered a two-year extension, but the democrats wouldn't take it.

We can't stop them. If they want it, like Kavanaugh and Pete Hegseth, Trump can do and appoint anyone he wants. Excuses are coming I see.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Obviously.



With a national average benchmark premium of~$497/month this year, for an individual the subsidies phase out at incomes around $70,000.

For the regular subsidies, not the Enhanced COVID subsidies which "temporarily" lifted that cap.

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

 

[berg80]

What limits on income or wealth do those subsidies set?

That's a research assignment you should have completed before you made a fool of yourself. Which happens a lot. Are you one of those bots that writes idiotic posts just to get a reaction?

 

[Greenbeard]

For the regular subsidies, not the Enhanced COVID subsidies which "temporarily" lifted that cap.

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

No, that’s for the enhanced subsidies. Under the original ACA the subsidies would simply end (not phase out) at just over $62,000.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, that’s for the enhanced subsidies. Under the original ACA the subsidies would simply end (not phase out) at just over $62,000.

The enhanced subsidies are what I was talking about. Those are what are at issue.

Is it right or wrong for the taxes levied on teachers, Walmart assistant managers, and firefighter to be used to pay for healh insurance for multi-millionaires?

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's a research assignment you should have completed before you made a fool of yourself. Which happens a lot. Are you one of those bots that writes idiotic posts just to get a reaction?

Shutup, sock.

Stay in your drawer until I call for you.

 

[Lesh]

The enhanced subsidies are what I was talking about. Those are what are at issue.

Is it right or wrong for the taxes levied on teachers, Walmart assistant managers, and firefighter to be used to pay for healh insurance for multi-millionaires?

Which doesn’t happen of course

 

[Seymour Flops]

Which doesn’t happen of course

Shutup sock.

Greenbeard can fight his own fight, or run away, as he sees fit.

 

[Greenbeard]

The enhanced subsidies are what I was talking about. Those are what are at issue.

And those enhanced subsidies phase out at incomes a little over $70,000 for an individual, given average benchmark premiums this year.