Republican senators block extension to ACA subsidies

[otto105]

I voted for him twice and I don't have a problem telling you that I didn't vote for him in 2016. I voted for a fringe candidate. Meh.

Orange makeup narcissist that accepts no responsibility.

Hey, I’m glad your wife let you do that

 

[Marener]

You asked a personal question that has nothing to do with the topic. That's always going to be my answer. Plus, your question presumes the premise: that there's one "answer" that should be forced on everyone. That's the very thing I'm rejecting. Leave people be and let them manage their health care however they like. We're not herd animals. We can figure it out.

If you believe that, buy insurance. But don't force me to buy the insurance that you think is best. Just mind your own business.

You don’t actually think that’ll work out, do you?

Or you just don’t care.

See, it’s easy to win an argument when you don’t give a shit about the outcome.

How should we pay for the fire department isn’t much of an argument when people decide they don’t care if your house burns down.

 

[dblack]

You don’t actually think that’ll work out, do you?

Again, my health care is none of your business. Why is that so hard to accept?

How should we pay for the fire department isn’t much of an argument when people decide they don’t care if your house burns down.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Outside of public disease control, health care isn't a fire. If you get sick, it won't kill my family. Unless you're breathing in my face, your health is none of my business.

 

[Marener]

Again, my health care is none of your business. Why is that so hard to accept?

I wasn’t asking about you, but saying it won’t work out for the country.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Outside of public disease control, health care isn't a fire. If you get sick, it won't kill my family. Unless you're breathing in my face, your health is none of my business.

That’s now how a functional society operates. We don’t abandon vulnerable people.

 

[Concerned American]

The government will spend far more on Medicare recipients than it collects in taxes. Your 1.45% tax doesn’t add up to much. Meanwhile, old people cost a lot of money to take care of.

Medicare Enrollees on Average Receive Far More in Benefits Than They Pay in Premiums and Payroll Taxes

This week’s Paragon Pic shows how lifetime benefits (net of premiums) have far exceeded Medicare taxes for average two-earners.

paragoninstitute.org

Nice fairy tale prediction with no substantiation in your link. As I predicted, your bbbut, bbbut, bbbut is irrelevant. IT'S AN INSURANCE. Some get way more than others. Some get none at all. All of which is irrelevant to the ACA. LOL, if anything, you can use it as an example of why the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare or insurance. SMFH. Keep digging.

 

[otto105]

Nice fairy tale prediction with no substantiation in your link. As I predicted, your bbbut, bbbut, bbbut is irrelevant. IT'S AN INSURANCE. Some get way more than others. Some get none at all. All of which is irrelevant to the ACA. LOL, if anything, you can use it as an example of why the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare or insurance. SMFH. Keep digging.

Dude, voice chat should be used only by people who have actual thoughts

 

[Marener]

Nice fairy tale prediction with no substantiation in your link. As I predicted, your bbbut, bbbut, bbbut is irrelevant. IT'S AN INSURANCE. Some get way more than others. Some get none at all. All of which is irrelevant to the ACA. LOL, if anything, you can use it as an example of why the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare or insurance. SMFH. Keep digging.

All I’m saying is that retired people didn’t “earn Medicare”.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Funny how people only think of affordable health care in terms of 3rd party payer, such as insurance, or the state.

The more insulated the consumer is from the cost of the goods and services he consumes, the less he cares about that cost, and, subsequently, the costs of those goods and services go up. Thus, to bring down costs, it is necessary to remove some/all of that insulation.

Get rid of insurance. Everyone pays for everything they consume.
This will reduce costs to whatever the market - the consumer - is able to pay, and health care providers will have to complete for clients, driving up the quality of care.

 

[Concerned American]

All I’m saying is that retired people didn’t “earn Medicare”.

They purchased medicare. Just like you purchase any insurance.

 

[Marener]

They purchased medicare. Just like you purchase any insurance.

No they don’t. They’re given Medicare.

 

[Concerned American]

No they don’t. They’re given Medicare.

Run along. You're just repeating the same tired lie over and over again. Medicare is not the ACA.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They purchased medicare. Just like you purchase any insurance.

Proof of your claim:
FICA: Federal Insurance Contributions Act
Your payroll deduction buys your Medicare and SS insurance benefits, as does you Medicare deduction from your SS benefits.

 

[Marener]

Run along. You're just repeating the same tired lie over and over again. Medicare is not the ACA.

Even if you want to believe it’s all funded by FICA taxes, it still doesn’t work.

Some people earn a lot and pay a lot. Some people earn very little and pay very little.

But they’re all given the same benefit. Meaning the low income people are given benefits far larger than their contribution.

 

[dblack]

I wasn’t asking about you, but saying it won’t work out for the country.

Once again, I don't want there to be any mandated solution for the country.

That’s now how a functional society operates. We don’t abandon vulnerable people.

You don't have to. I'm not opposed to helping poor people.

I'm opposed to government controlling health care. It's unnecessary and puts all our eggs in one basket. Not a good idea.

 

[Marener]

Once again, I don't want there to be any mandated solution for the country.

You don't have to. I'm not opposed to helping poor people.

I'm opposed to government controlling health care. It's unnecessary and puts all our eggs in one basket. Not a good idea.

You don't have to be poor to be wiped out by a medical problem.

Without a functioning medical system, a lot of people would get hurt.

If that doesn't bother you, then there's really nothing to discuss.

 

[dblack]

Without a functioning medical system, a lot of people would get hurt.

You mean government controlled, right? Something everyone is forced to comply with, right?

If that doesn't bother you, then there's really nothing to discuss.

I don't buy the doomsday scenarios. We won't all just wallow in filth and die if your favorite government program isn't adopted.

 

[Marener]

You mean government controlled, right? Something everyone is forced to comply with, right?

More or less.

I don't buy the doomsday scenarios. We won't all just wallow in filth and die if your favorite government program isn't adopted.

A lot of people will. There are a lot of countries where government stays out of healthcare. It's not good.

 

[dblack]

More or less.

A lot of people will. There are a lot of countries where government stays out of healthcare. It's not good.

Ok. Want to answer the question everyone runs away from?

Do you really want MAGA politicians controlling your health care? Do you really want it to be a political gun-to-the-head every single election?

 

[Marener]

Ok. Want to answer the question everyone runs away from?

Do you really want MAGA politicians controlling your health care? Do you really want it to be a political gun-to-the-head every single election?

I don’t know what you mean by “controlling my healthcare”. My doctor doesn’t take orders from politicians. My health insurance plan follows the stipulations made by Congress, requiring them to cover things like prescription medications and forbidding them from dropping me if I were to get sick.

Do you want to get rid of the FDA?

 

[dblack]

I don’t know what you mean by “controlling my healthcare”.

I mean controlling the checkbook for your health care. Whoever controls that, controls your health care.

I'll ask again, and I'm sure you'll steer around it again, if we'd had single payer when Trump took office, what do you think he would be doing to it?

My doctor doesn’t take orders from politicians.

He does if they're paying. Or not paying. Do you think government health insurance will pay for abortions while Republicans are in control? Do you think Kennedy would stick his nose in and cutoff payment for vaccinations he doesn't like? There's a whole laundry list of things they'd do - just to stick it to the liberals if nothing else.

And beyond immediate meddling and sabotage, can you imagine the fear mongering circus regarding health care that we'd see every single election?

My health insurance plan follows the stipulations made by Congress, requiring them to cover things like prescription medications and forbidding them from dropping me if I were to get sick.

Until someone else is in office and they change that. And when they do, you're stuck with it, because you've committed yourself to the government "system".