How Whites Made Haiti a S-hole Country

[The Irish Ram]

Make that 104,471 racist posts...

 

[whitehall]

You have seen what created this. Stop lying to yourself.

Tell us "what created this" if you have the intellectually ability. How far back in history do you want to go? Should we blame 18th century (white) French pirates and slave traders for the lack of political stability in Haiti today?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Where do you think the name comes from? This is LITERALLY the first place Columbus landed
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Following the arrival of Europeans, La Hispaniola's indigenous Taíno population was nearly extinguished, in possibly the worst case of depopulation in the Americas. A commonly accepted hypothesis attributes the high mortality of this colony in part to European diseases to which the natives had no immunity. There is still heated debate over the population of Taíno people on the island of Hispaniola in 1492 just prior to European arrival, but estimates range from no more than a few tens of thousands, according to a 2020 genetic analysis. The Taíno population declined by up to 95% in the century after the Spanish arrival.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, it was the French, and later the U.S. The events in this thread occurred after the slave revolt.

No. Thr French were late comers. See #43.

 

[MarathonMike]

If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the “butcher of the Commune” for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or “crush them” with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the “independence debt.” But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s “double debt” — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/world/americas/haiti-history-colonized-france.html

Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.

Isaac is working hard to get number one on the reaction score board after another banning for his vile, personal attacks on White posters.

 

[the watcher]

70 years ago, we bombed Japan into ash and rubble.

Today they are a first world country.


Some nations bounce back from adversity. Others take a different path.

We certainly helped the natives here adopt our ways, and they are grateful. When the Haitians (I mean the ones left on the island) learn to wear their pants around their knees they will own nothing and be happy.

 

[Correll]

Especially when they get billions in US investments and the US military protects them rather than propping up strongmen.

Your vision of other countries as blocks of wood is kind of racist.

 

[multivita-man]

Your vision of other countries as blocks of wood is kind of racist.

 

[Correll]

You envision a world where the only people with agency are white Americans.

Everyone else is just...waiting for our actions upon them.


That is racist.

 

[multivita-man]

You envision a world where the only people with agency are white Americans.

Everyone else is just...waiting for our actions upon them.

That is racist.

Your experience with racism is what exactly?

 

[Correll]

Your experience with racism is what exactly?

Too extensive to limit to any reasonable online discussion.


Even limiting the context to racism I see from... left leaning people directed at brown people, it is... huge.

 

[Litwin]

If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the “butcher of the Commune” for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or “crush them” with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the “independence debt.” But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s “double debt” — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/world/americas/haiti-history-colonized-france.html

Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.

its a communist &"global south " myth , the reality : Saint-Domingue, which is now Haiti, was the richest colony in the Americas during French rule. It was known as the "Pearl of the Antilles" and was the most profitable colony in the French empire, perhaps even in the world

 

[multivita-man]

its a communist &"global south " myth , the reality : Saint-Domingue, which is now Haiti, was the richest colony in the Americas during French rule. It was known as the "Pearl of the Antilles" and was the most profitable colony in the French empire, perhaps even in the world

Profitable during French rule because of slave labor?

And "Global South myth" LMAO

Here's something that might sober you up: Ukraine is going to lose. Russia is going to win. Accept this as fact.

 

[Litwin]

Okay. The world has dumped far more money into Haiti than it's ever taken out of it, and yet the place is still a shithole.



Meanwhile, Germany and Japan were bombed to rubble, and they sprang back as vibrant economies.

China underwent a century of Western/Japanese exploitation, followed by decades of Communist mismanagement, and it is now one of the world's dominant economies.

"It looks like Haiti collapsed after the extermination of the mulatto ruling class by the Black majority, an extreme form of racism toward white people in general, and due to the very destructive role of Levantine emigrants. Do you agree?


the mulattos :

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• Represented about 2% of the population but controlled up to 44% of national income in the 1980s.
• Maintained dominance through French education, light skin, and cultural capital, often excluding the Black majority from power.
• Was challenged by black nationalist movements, especially under François Duvalier (1957–1971), who launched a campaign against the elite, accusing them of being “whites with black skins”.

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• Mulatto nationalism faded by mid-20th century, replaced by fragmented elite identities based on colorism and privilege.

 

[Litwin]

Profitable during French rule because of slave labor?

In the 17th and 18th centuries, the entire planet—except for the Netherlands, Switzerland, and the white parts of Anglosphere—was driven by forced (slave) labor to varying degrees.

Moscow empire (Nigeria with snow) 20c.

Barge Haulers on The Volga

www.amusingplanet.com

 

[IM2]

"It looks like Haiti collapsed after the extermination of the mulatto ruling class by the Black majority, an extreme form of racism toward white people in general, and due to the very destructive role of Levantine emigrants. Do you agree?


the mulattos :

---

• Represented about 2% of the population but controlled up to 44% of national income in the 1980s.
• Maintained dominance through French education, light skin, and cultural capital, often excluding the Black majority from power.
• Was challenged by black nationalist movements, especially under François Duvalier (1957–1971), who launched a campaign against the elite, accusing them of being “whites with black skins”.

---

• Mulatto nationalism faded by mid-20th century, replaced by fragmented elite identities based on colorism and privilege.

No, that's not what happened. You're being shown what happened.

 

[IM2]

Where do you think the name comes from? This is LITERALLY the first place Columbus landed
.
Following the arrival of Europeans, La Hispaniola's indigenous Taíno population was nearly extinguished, in possibly the worst case of depopulation in the Americas. A commonly accepted hypothesis attributes the high mortality of this colony in part to European diseases to which the natives had no immunity. There is still heated debate over the population of Taíno people on the island of Hispaniola in 1492 just prior to European arrival, but estimates range from no more than a few tens of thousands, according to a 2020 genetic analysis. The Taíno population declined by up to 95% in the century after the Spanish arrival.

I know the history, and that doesn't change what happened.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine is going to lose. Russia is going to win. Accept this as fact.

we will see ivan, we will see...

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[IM2]

We certainly helped the natives here adopt our ways, and they are grateful. When the Haitians (I mean the ones left on the island) learn to wear their pants around their knees they will own nothing and be happy.

And despite being shown what was done, some whites purposefully remain ignorant.

 

[IM2]

No. Thr French were late comers. See #43.

The Spanish did not threaten a war, then force the people of Haiti to pay reparations and demand more money than the nation made as the price to pay. That is what this thread is about.