How Whites Made Haiti a S-hole Country

[cnm]

Actually its the French

Good thing there's no record of the US's actions in regard to Haiti, eh?

 

[cnm]

Especially when they get billions in US investments and the US military protects them rather than propping up strongmen.

Funny that. Though the funniest thing is that it's usual for US billions to go to strongmen.

 

[Hafar1014]

Good thing there's no record of the US's actions in regard to Haiti, eh?

The Clintons screwed them big time

 

[Polishprince]

The Clintons screwed them big time

Obama as well. Remember the big Haitian Earthquake of 2010, which happened during Hussein's watch?

 

[Zincwarrior]

If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the “butcher of the Commune” for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or “crush them” with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the “independence debt.” But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s “double debt” — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/world/americas/haiti-history-colonized-france.html

Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.

No. The root of this shithole is that the Spanish came. They enslaved the native Haeeti, tortured and mutilated and WORKED EVERY LAST ONE TO DEATH. Then later, like in Brazil, the Europeans brought in African slaves to work THEM TO DEATH in the sugar cane fields. Crazily the slaves rebelled...and won.

 

[cnm]

The Clintons screwed them big time

As though the US hadn't been doing it for decades.

 

[westwall]

'The Greatest Heist In History': How Haiti Was Forced To Pay ...​

5 Oct 2021​

While the U.S. officially left Haiti in 1934, it continued to control Haiti's public finances until 1947, siphoning away around 40% of Haiti's national income to service debt repayments...​

Uh oh...now you're going after the Clinton's and their " charity" work.

 

[cnm]

Uh oh...now you're going after the Clinton's and their " charity" work.

They're Americans, aren't they? There to screw Haiti in the best traditions of their country.

Then blame Haiti for being poor.

 

[westwall]

They're Americans, aren't they? There to screw Haiti in the best traditions of their country.

Then blame Haiti for being poor.

Oh I am with you on the Clinton's screwing over Haiti. They did, and they should be prosecuted for it.

 

[cnm]

Oh I am with you on the Clinton's screwing over Haiti. They did, and they should be prosecuted for it.

I'm glad you pretend that's all the screwing over of Haiti the US did. I thought the rice growing issue showed the true America.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Come on man I know Billy and Hilly turned it into the paradise it could be

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

If the evil white oppressors where running Haiti it would be a tropical vacation destination.

 

[Street Juice]

If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the “butcher of the Commune” for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or “crush them” with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the “independence debt.” But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s “double debt” — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/world/americas/haiti-history-colonized-france.html

Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.

 

[whitehall]

Alleged "dissing" compares to making a country a shit hole? WTF? Haiti made Haiti a shit hole. Lots of American Christians tried to help Haiti but voodoo worship still prevails.

 

[IM2]

No. The root of this shithole is that the Spanish came. They enslaved the native Haeeti, tortured and mutilated and WORKED EVERY LAST ONE TO DEATH. Then later, like in Brazil, the Europeans brought in African slaves to work THEM TO DEATH in the sugar cane fields. Crazily the slaves rebelled...and won.

No, it was the French, and later the U.S. The events in this thread occurred after the slave revolt.

 

[IM2]

Alleged "dissing" compares to making a country a shit hole? WTF? Haiti made Haiti a shit hole. Lots of American Christians tried to help Haiti but voodoo worship still prevails.

You have seen what created this. Stop lying to yourself.

 

[westwall]

Alleged "dissing" compares to making a country a shit hole? WTF? Haiti made Haiti a shit hole. Lots of American Christians tried to help Haiti but voodoo worship still prevails.

Mainly it's just typical rampant corruption.

The DR, on the same island, is a relatively well run country.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The vast riches of Haiti met European Greed. The French arguable dealt them a lethal economic blow, the Clintons finished them off

 

[IM2]

Here we see the record of French extortion that was supported by other white nations.

Haiti’s Lost Billions (Published 2022)

The staggering sum Haiti paid for its independence cemented its path to poverty.

www.nytimes.com

 

[IM2]

You have created 104,470 racist posts...

I have created zero racist posts. What I have done is hold a mirror to the faces of right-wing whites who think they are entitled to make comments about blacks, and we must just take it, by showing them what whites have done. White fragility has you whining about that being racism.

This thread is not about me. It is about what white countries did in retaliation because a country of blacks rejected slvery and ran the saveowners out of the country.

As usual, the same whites can't face the truth and try to change the subject by personal attacks.