How Whites Made Haiti a S-hole Country

The thread topic is about how the FRENCH extorted Haiti after they revolted and how other white nations have been complicit in keeping Haiti broke.

Whites here are really good at pointing fingers at brown and Black countries, but when the things whites have done wrong is shown, we get all kinds of diversions. We know the Spaniards were in Haiti before the French, but the Spniards were not the ones who were ovrthrown in the slave revlt, nor did the Spaniards do what has been described in this thread. That is the topic.
 
We certainly helped the natives here adopt our ways, and they are grateful.
Native American nations are separate from this government. So you didn't help anyone, and they are certainly not grateful.
 
Okay. The world has dumped far more money into Haiti than it's ever taken out of it, and yet the place is still a shithole.

Money dumped into a country doesn't change the governance. The only US president who seemed remotely interested in helping Haiti become something than an oppressive hellhole was Bubba Clinton.


Meanwhile, Germany and Japan were bombed to rubble, and they sprang back as vibrant economies.

That's because the US was fighting the spread of the communism and those countries were indispensable to that effort.

China underwent a century of Western/Japanese exploitation, followed by decades of Communist mismanagement, and it is now one of the world's dominant economies.

Because the West wanted to trade with China and China had a billion-person market to work with. Not the case in Haiti. The few things Haiti had - an agrarian economy that sold sugar for example - we crushed.
 
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Now keep telling me how black nations always fail.
 
Money dumped into a country doesn't change the governance. The only US president who seemed remotely interested in helping Haiti become something than an oppressive hellhole was Bubba Clinton.

Yeah, but he did it for selfish reasons. (He wanted to avoid an influx of AIDS-infected refugees). He arguably also made things worse. Aristide might have been legally elected, but he was a complete disaster as a president and not quite right in the head. The CIA told Slick Willy this, but he ignored it.

And don't even get me started on the Clinton Foundation, where the Clintons paid themselves huge salaries and very little aid got to Haiti.

hat's because the US was fighting the spread of the communism and those countries were indispensable to that effort.
Very true. But the character of the German and Japanese people to build up their economy was a factor.

Because the West wanted to trade with China and China had a billion-person market to work with. Not the case in Haiti. The few things Haiti had - an agrarian economy that sold sugar for example - we crushed.

The problem is, you want to ignore the corruption of the Haitian governments over the years, especially Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier, in contributing to Haiti's problems.
 
The thread topic is about how the FRENCH extorted Haiti after they revolted and how other white nations have been complicit in keeping Haiti broke.

Whites here are really good at pointing fingers at brown and Black countries, but when the things whites have done wrong is shown, we get all kinds of diversions. We know the Spaniards were in Haiti before the French, but the Spniards were not the ones who were ovrthrown in the slave revlt, nor did the Spaniards do what has been described in this thread. That is the topic.

you also leave out the part where the Slaves killed most of the white people, which is why the French were so vindictive in their actions.


This is also why the US, which normally welcomed countries that threw off European Rule, was kind of horrified by what was going on in Haiti. Haiti probably set the Abolitionist movement in the US back by 40 years.
 
The problem is, you want to ignore the corruption of the Haitian governments over the years, especially Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier, in contributing to Haiti's problems.

Nah, the problem Haiti has is the same one that most former colonies have, which is that their former colonizers and hegemons never take an interest in seeing true autonomy and self-sufficiency of their former possessions. They exploit them, undermine them, destroy their industries, and then walk away when they're no longer of any use.

I'm certainly not trying to make the point that Haiti doesn't have seriously severe levels of dysfunction and corruption. But it's rarely the case that failed states like Haiti or Venezuela fail completely on their own without our "help".
 
Nah, the problem Haiti has is the same one that most former colonies have, which is that their former colonizers and hegemons never take an interest in seeing true autonomy and self-sufficiency of their former possessions. They exploit them, undermine them, destroy their industries, and then walk away when they're no longer of any use.

I'm certainly not trying to make the point that Haiti doesn't have seriously severe levels of dysfunction and corruption. But it's rarely the case that failed states like Haiti or Venezuela fail completely on their own without our "help".

Oh, I don't disagree. We tend to mess things up when we intervene.

End of the day, they are responsible for their own countries.
 
If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the ā€œbutcher of the Communeā€ for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or ā€œcrush themā€ with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the ā€œindependence debt.ā€ But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s ā€œdouble debtā€ — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.


Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.

Haiti is full of Satanic voodoo cult members. Meanwhile the Dominican Republic is Christian and a nation of laws.

Funny how an island split in half, has such a stark difference.


But of course, it’s all ā€œthe colonizers’ faultā€.
 
Haiti is full of Satanic voodoo cult members. Meanwhile the Dominican Republic is Christian and a nation of laws.

Funny how an island split in half, has such a stark difference.


But of course, it’s all ā€œthe colonizers’ faultā€.
You have been shown some of the things white countries did to Haiti. I can show more. Your opinion is irrelevant when you study the facts.
 
You have been shown some of the things white countries did to Haiti. I can show more. Your opinion is irrelevant when you study the facts.
The negroes there overthrew the French whities, including hanging women and children as a warning to whites to not come back.

They’ve been governing themselves ever since then, into complete ruin.

According to you it should be Wakanda. Instead it’s the shithole of all shitholes.

Maybe you should move there and help your brothers out. No whites to oppress you there. Should be your utopia.
 
The problem with Haiti at the time was that it had become an outcast nation. It likely wouldn't have been ostracized if the Haitian government had not decided to exterminate the remaining French population—after having given their word that those individuals would be safe. That breach of trust changed everything. Had it not occurred, the British might have been willing to offer support.

The British were always eager to suppress the French, and they feared a resurgence of French influence. They wanted Haiti to not be a French colony, not out of concern for Haiti’s welfare, but to ensure the French never regained a foothold.
 
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you also leave out the part where the Slaves killed most of the white people, which is why the French were so vindictive in their actions.


This is also why the US, which normally welcomed countries that threw off European Rule, was kind of horrified by what was going on in Haiti. Haiti probably set the Abolitionist movement in the US back by 40 years.
I think it contributed to the Civil War. The war was caused by two things beyond outright slavery:First, the wealthy class wanted to protect their fortunes, which were largely built on enslaved labor.Second, the average white person was terrified of Black people gaining the freedom to move about. They knew what had happened in Haiti, and they feared the same might happen to them and their families.
 
If I said that white countries made black countries like Haiti shitholes, the hollering would never end. Over the time I have been here, I have read endless posts by whites dissing black run countries. The NY Times wrote a series called The Ransom. Now it's time some whites learned the truth.

The Ransom

The Root of Haiti’s Misery: Reparations to Enslavers​

...for generations after independence, Haitians were forced to pay the descendants of their former slave masters, including the Empress of Brazil; the son-in-law of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I; Germany’s last imperial chancellor; and Gaston de Galliffet, the French general known as the ā€œbutcher of the Communeā€ for crushing an insurrection in Paris in 1871.

Twenty-one years after Haiti’s revolutionary heroes declared their country’s independence, swearing to die before being put back in chains or living under French domination again, a squadron of French warships — equipped with some 500 cannons — loomed off Haiti’s coastline.

The king’s envoy, the Baron of Mackau, issued a daunting ultimatum:

Hand over a staggering sum in reparations to Haiti’s former slave masters, or face another war.

The Haitians had ample reason for alarm. Two decades earlier, Napoleon had tried to destroy them, sending one of the largest expeditions of warships ever dispatched by France, with his brother-in-law at the helm. The Haitians won and declared independence. Napoleon lost more troops than he did at Waterloo and withdrew.

But rich French colonists continued to press to reconquer the territory, and they found another sympathetic ear when the Bourbon monarchy returned to power. One minister of the navy, a former colonist and prominent defender of slavery, even drafted a new plan to put Haitians back in bondage or ā€œcrush themā€ with a still larger army.

No country could be expected to come to Haiti’s defense. The world powers had frozen it out, refusing to officially acknowledge its independence. American lawmakers in particular did not want enslaved people in their own country to be inspired by Haiti’s self-liberation and rise up.

So, Haiti’s president, eager for the trade and security of international recognition, bowed to France’s demands. With that, Haiti set another precedent: It became the world’s first and only country where the descendants of enslaved people paid reparations to the descendants of their masters — for generations.

It is often called the ā€œindependence debt.ā€ But that is a misnomer. It was a ransom.

The amount was far beyond Haiti’s meager means. Even the first installment was about six times the government’s income that year, based on official receipts documented by the 19th-century Haitian historian Beaubrun Ardouin.

But that was the point, and part of the plan. The French king had given the baron a second mission: to ensure the former colony took out a loan from young French banks to make the payments.

This became known as Haiti’s ā€œdouble debtā€ — the ransom and the loan to pay it — a stunning load that boosted the fledgling Parisian international banking system and helped cement Haiti’s path into poverty and underdevelopment. According to Ardouin’s records, the bankers’ commissions alone exceeded the Haitian government’s total revenues that year.


Then right wingers can't understnd why some blacks call whites devils.
a terrible history!
 
Haiti is full of Satanic voodoo cult members. Meanwhile the Dominican Republic is Christian and a nation of laws.

Funny how an island split in half, has such a stark difference.


But of course, it’s all ā€œthe colonizers’ faultā€.
Bolshevism has never worked ...
 
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