How the Democrats rigged the 2020 election

[Care4all]

Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements

Thats you premise?

That repubs believe the china virus was the product of collusion between dems and chicoms?

Is that what you are you are trying to pawn off as a serious discussion?

Dont make me laugh

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Fact check: Coronavirus did not spread in the US because of an anti-Trump conspiracy

Statements made on a podcast claimed that COVID-19 was spread in the US as part of a conspiracy against Donald Trump. We rate this claim false.

www.usatoday.com

besides the fact of, why would China want to cut off their nose, to spite their face?

Americans are their number one customer... We are the titty that feeds their workers and families....harming the American people by killing them off via virus, only would hurt them...

And

If China was aiming an attack at the USA, I don't think they would spread it to Italy first, then to the UK, then to the USA....WHICH IS the path the virus followed, early on most ALL of America's COVID cases were the UK variant?

 

[Coyote]

Mac's entire denial is based upon a logical fallacy, namely, the appeal to authority.

The choice is between accepting the opinions of other people as fact because Mac deems them important, or acknowledging the absolutely massive preponderance of statistical anomalies, and even IMPOSSIBILITIES that occurred.

Mac believes people simply because they say so. I have enough grounding in the field of probability to recognize when something stinks to high heaven, instead.

Instead of talking about Mac, who isn't the subject of this thread - how about explaining how you would organize the claims being made by Republicans concerning the 2020 election?

In terms of what Mac said - I've seen all those claims being made here in one form or another, including the crazy idea that the Democrats colluded with China to release the virus (that tops the charts on looney imo).

 

[Coyote]

Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements

Thats you premise?

That repubs believe the china virus was the product of collusion between dems and chicoms?

Is that what you are you are trying to pawn off as a serious discussion?

Dont make me laugh

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Fact check: Coronavirus did not spread in the US because of an anti-Trump conspiracy

Statements made on a podcast claimed that COVID-19 was spread in the US as part of a conspiracy against Donald Trump. We rate this claim false.

www.usatoday.com

besides the fact of, why would China want to cut off their nose, to spite their face?

Americans are their number one customer... We are the titty that feeds their workers and families....harming the American people by killing them off via virus, only would hurt them...

And

If China was aiming an attack at the USA, I don't think they would spread it to Italy first, then to the UK, then to the USA....WHICH IS the path the virus followed, early on, most ALL of America's COVID cases were the UK variant.

I agree. China is, above all, pragmatic and takes the long view on these things. They know things can change every four years for us.

 

[Mac-7]

that's not my premise. That is what I have seen. And it is why I have repeatedly asked for input on this thread.

One example of that theory would be from @CrusaderFrank , who says my characterization is fair.

Maybe take that up with him.

I’m not part of a dog sled team

I dont know what Frank said

if he disagrees with me he is entitled to his opinion

I bet others here agree with me and think you are trolling

because bashing trump lets you avoid any criticism of the damn fool that you voted for

 

[Care4all]

Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements

Thats you premise?

That repubs believe the china virus was the product of collusion between dems and chicoms?

Is that what you are you are trying to pawn off as a serious discussion?

Dont make me laugh

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Fact check: Coronavirus did not spread in the US because of an anti-Trump conspiracy

Statements made on a podcast claimed that COVID-19 was spread in the US as part of a conspiracy against Donald Trump. We rate this claim false.

www.usatoday.com

besides the fact of, why would China want to cut off their nose, to spite their face?

Americans are their number one customer... We are the titty that feeds their workers and families....harming the American people by killing them off via virus, only would hurt them...

And

If China was aiming an attack at the USA, I don't think they would spread it to Italy first, then to the UK, then to the USA....WHICH IS the path the virus followed, early on, most ALL of America's COVID cases were the UK variant.

I agree. China is, above all, pragmatic and takes the long view on these things. They know things can change every four years for us.

I was going to list that as well but hit send too soon!

 

[Mac-7]

Or, I just pay attention to what you guys say, and ask a lot of questions.

Ok quote me or anyone else here who says the democrats colluded with the CCP to spread the wuflu in America so trump would lose the election

If you find even one it was probably tongue in cheek

But I doubt if you can find any at all

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Each side claims to be accurate and correct. Claiming the other wrong.

In WW2, the war was not ended with peaceful accord, discourse and a gentleman's promise.

It was ended with the brute force of nuclear elimination and the hard reality of death.

Such is the precarious predicament decades of doing nothing has laid on the steps of the American people.

 

[Magnus]

This is a serious thread, opened (and hopefully kept) in the Clean Debate Zone so that we can have some serious and thoughtful clarity on this whole controversy.

Obviously this is a complicated topic, but what I'm after here is focus, clarity, and conciseness. Your shortest, clearest, most succinct responses.

From what I'm reading, seeing and hearing, this is what Trump supporters believe happened before, during and after the 2020 elections, in three parts:

1. Fearing that President Donald Trump would win re-election in 2020, the Democrats approached and worked with the Chinese government to release a deadly virus that would disrupt the 2020 American election process and provide an excuse for the Democrats to revise/ease voting requirements. These looser requirements would provide the cover they needed to (among other things) insert doctored ballots (some of which may have been doctored by the Chinese themselves), hide/destroy ballots, and count legal ballots multiple times. Dr Anthony Fauci, a key member of the government's health system, was recruited to spread false and misleading information to the public and advance this effort.

2. A large number of individuals and organizations successfully pulled off the fraud, either working in concert or alone. Providing cover and aid in this endeavor were China, the American major media, American local media, the Democratic Party, SmartMatic and Dominion Software.

3. Once the fraud was detected, the following individuals and groups purposely and actively participated in its coverup in some way, either through dishonesty or the refusal to examine the clear and voluminous evidence of fraud that was provided: The US Supreme Court, Trump-appointed judges, GOP state election officials, GOP governors, GOP state legislatures, the FBI, the CIA, Trump's Justice Department, Trump's Attorney General, Vice President Mike Pence, the Democratic Party, the American major media and Republican congresspeople. To date, these individuals and groups have been successful in holding off the exposure of the evidence.

As I understand it, that is the issue, in a nutshell, as succinct as I can make it.

Is this fair and accurate? Please comment and make your best effort to keep this focused, clear and concise.

“Trump is for a lot of white people what O.J.’s acquittal was to a lot of Black folks—you know it’s wrong, but it feels good.”
~ Pres. Barack Obama

 

[Mac1958]

Or, I just pay attention to what you guys say, and ask a lot of questions.

Ok quote me or anyone else here who says the democrats colluded with the CCP to spread the wuflu in America so trump would lose the election

If you find even one it was probably tongue in cheek

But I doubt if you can find any at all

I don't know that you did. I have, however, seen it said more than once. This thread is general in nature. There are always going to be exceptions in general statements. It's not about you. I didn't name Mac-7 in the OP. You can look.

Since I'm curious and ask a lot of questions, I'm comfortable with my knowledge and understanding of this. If you don't want to participate in a constructive way, don't. I just wish you guys could somehow avoid making yet another thread about me.

 

[Muhammed]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

That's what you probably don't think but say anyways because of your rabid partisanship..

Joe Biden is on video bragging that he had the biggest voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

 

[Mac-7]

It's been claimed, and I doubt those making the claim are Democrats:

Claimed by who?

I never heard of Josh Bernstein before or the Nutri Medical Whatever podcast

But I know that Biden’s plan to distribute chinese disease stimulus money to farmers AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT WHITE was denied by a federal judge

Thats the sort of crap you and Mac1958 voted for

Stuff that you dont want to talk about

 

[colfax_m]

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

Of course it happened. His campaign put together an organization to track and monitor allegations of voter fraud. What do you think he meant?

 

[Mac1958]

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

Of course it happened. His campaign put together an organization to track and monitor allegations of voter fraud. What do you think he meant?

Yep. Selective reasoning.

 

[jc456]

Your obvious evasion and non-answer is actually an answer. Thanks.

No, based on what I know to date, I don't believe the OP is accurate

Based on?

Secretary of State’s didn’t extend the election?

and, they don’t have jurisdiction to do that.

why did they need extra days?

 

[MisterBeale]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

". . .and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo."

I have no problem with any of this post. Except this last part. . . I do not understand this. . . POV, or how folks believe this is the case.

Why not let the Trump supporters have the audits their way, release the source code from Dominion, and put the whole controversy to rest?
They had media fed to them, which made the election, or at least, the way it was conducted, look pretty suspicious. I have no idea, why you can't put yourself in their shoes, or why media was put out to generate this narrative. . . for profit, to create a spectacle, to engage the public with the process and sell ads?

Why is the left so against vetting the whole election in an complete, open, and fair way? I just don't get that.

You state that Republicans are actively trying to "take it away," but fail to acknowledge, that this is the way that folks feel about the way the establishment conducted the election. There is a significant portion of the electorate that feel they have had their traditional system of representation taken away. True or not, this is the message media subcultures have generated, they have seen scenes of it, physical evidence of it, and mathematical calculations of it with their own eyes.

Just prove every vote was a legal vote, and don't whine about doing so, and, IMO, things would be fine.

. . . don't sit there and make the claim it has been done so, when various methods to placate the low information masses were half measures to only confirm the official narrative as the only techniques to have been employed.

 

[Mac-7]

I don't know that you did. I have, however, seen it said more than once. This thread is general in nature. There are always going to be exceptions in general statements. It's not about you. I didn't name Mac-7 in the OP. You can look.

Since I'm curious and ask a lot of questions, I'm comfortable with my knowledge and understanding of this. If you don't want to participate in a constructive way, don't. I just wish you guys could somehow avoid making yet another thread about me.

So if I call you out for your gross mischaracterization of trump voters at the very root of this thread I am not being constructive?

Generalizations that you pulled out of your ass are not the proper basis for a civil discussion

 

[Mac1958]

I don't know that you did. I have, however, seen it said more than once. This thread is general in nature. There are always going to be exceptions in general statements. It's not about you. I didn't name Mac-7 in the OP. You can look.

Since I'm curious and ask a lot of questions, I'm comfortable with my knowledge and understanding of this. If you don't want to participate in a constructive way, don't. I just wish you guys could somehow avoid making yet another thread about me.

So if I call you out for your gross mischaracterization of trump voters at the very root of this thread I am not being constructive?

Generalizations that you pulled out of your ass are not the proper basis for a civil discussion

I didn't do that. So, you must believe I'm a liar.

There is no reason for you to bother with liars.

 

[colfax_m]

Secretary of State’s didn’t extend the election?

Not that I’m aware of. Pennsylvania’s ballot deadline was extended by their Supreme Court.

 

[colfax_m]

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

Of course it happened. His campaign put together an organization to track and monitor allegations of voter fraud. What do you think he meant?

He said nothing of the sort. Why are you trying to pretend that he didn't say what he actually said?

He also confessed that he got the prosecutor in Ukraine fired by threatening to cut off the third tranche of the third $billion of a US loan guarantee.

Sure he did. That’s what voter fraud organizations do. Like how the ATF goes after violations of alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

 

[Care4all]

I tried to make it as strag

Primarily, via mail in ballot fraud, obviously.

When you look at the numbers, they are very anomalous in key areas.

Only an EXTREMELY rigid leftist partisan would ignore all these anomalies. There are so many of them that only a fool would try to explain them away.

How so many primarily black precincts could show those absolutely unreal voter turnouts defies all logic, especially considering the established pattern of voting turnout in them.

That's exactly the problem, but not in the way you think.

Republicans can't believe a group that traditionally has not voted in large numbers suddenly coming out and voting in large numbers.

Why is that so unbelievable? Obama inspired a huge black turn out (not surprisingly) and much of it through a large grass roots efforts. A similar effort went on in this election only the lightning rod wasn't Obama, it was Trump. Just he inspired his supporters to come out in unprecedented numbers, he also inspired his detractors to come out in unprecedented numbers.

If you find it believable that an unprecedented number of people came out to vote for Trump in 2020....why is it NOT believable that an unprecedented number of people came out and voted for Biden in 2020?

And particularly...why is it unbelievable that the normally politically apathetic black communities in these areas wouldn't be galvanized? There were powerful get out the vote activities going on - convincing people that their vote mattered.

And now...they can see the result of that, their vote made a difference without question, in key areas....and yet Republicans are actively trying to take it away and even disenfranchise them. That is pretty disturbing imo.

That's what you probably don't think but say anyways because of your rabid partisanship..

Joe Biden is on video bragging that he had the biggest voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

Why do you pretend that that never happened?

Because it didn't happen, in the full context of the comment.

Everyone knows, that is...everyone with just an ounce of logic and reasoning, knows in full context he was speaking about a counter intelligence team/organization that would COMBAT voter fraud.

You, obviously do not meet the ounce requirement needed!